Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

MOH · 10-02-2021 11:40AM

Somebody needs to just gag Varadkar at this point and lock him in a room. He's a complete farce at this stage.
He just loves media attention and the sound of his own voice. And he's demonstrating a Trump-like relationship with truth.

Apparently the reason their whole disastrous "Living with Covid" plan didn't work was because "it did not take into consideration the introduction of vaccines and did not know about the possibility of new variants of the virus."

They didn't know how viruses work in general? Or they didn't know that Covid-19, specifically, could have variants?
Either of which is a ludicrous claim to make. He should certainly never be allowed work as a doctor again.

Leaving aside the blatant lying, his excuse boils down to: their plan didn't work because they were utterly incompetent.
Ironically, I agree with him on that.

paw patrol · 10-02-2021 11:40AM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I’ve been in regular communication with my local TD’s regarding the matter and have had varying levels of response.

I’ve had some political answers but I know the personal opinions of one of them (they spoke too much if I’m being honest) and I even had a question of mine asked in the Dail almost word for word!

So if your lucky you’ll have a TD who’ll listen. They’ll do f**k all tho but atleast your concerns are on record and the more people communicate, the more in line they’ll be with what the public want, be it more or less restrictions.

I wrote twice to all my TDs (fingal)
it was dismal the responses I received of those I did receive a response from
Prepared PR guff that didn't actually address my point.
I was more annoyed I spent a while writing the email, decent language and spelling checking only to be an after thought..:mad:

Tbh they haven't a clue themselves, obey Dr Tony and then if it works - aren't they great and if it doesn't - Tony was the subject matter expert.
They haven't educated themselves on covid19 at all

every TD in Fingal is a moron.

While i'm venting - our green TD (Joe O'Brien) was outraged at some anti vaccination leaflet posted in skerries. Posted it on his twitter - blacked out - "censored for safety" he said in his tweet. What a gobsh1te.
Imagine having such a god complex to think it was up to you to protect people from reading bad leaflets.

caveat emptor · 10-02-2021 11:45AM

A lot of the posts on here verge on inciting violence due to not being able to go to the pub. Best be careful with that I've heard you can get impeached.:pac:

josip · 10-02-2021 11:45AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

To be fair it is the same for the competition.

Your biggest competitor is time, not other people.

francogarbanzo · 10-02-2021 11:54AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

I am very surprised how passive young people have been throughout this.

Even allowing for the fact that many have been bought off by a €350 a week 'emergency payment', they have seen their social lives, job prospects, travel plans and education sacrificed over a virus that poses no risk to them.

They have been saddled with 10's of billions of inter-generational debt which they will inherit along with the pensions timebomb and environmental issues we have decided to kick down the road to them.

The typical Irish middle-class, middle age voter has never seen further than his next pay cheque and it would seem the next generation promises more of the same.

There are two things which will bring an end to this nonsense, an inability to continue to rack up the billions of debt - this can't come soon enough IMO.

Or large scale public demonstrations against the loss of our civil liberties - something which the servile and cowed Irish population have shown no indication of enacting.

Young people are passive because it's become a moral/political position. Remember: If you question the lockdown strategy, you're selfish and you are mad for pints. If you think Garda checkpoints all over the country set up to question citizens about their whereabouts are terrifying and wrong, you don't care if grandma dies. If you think our collective best interests are not being served by our leaders, you're literally the worst thing you could possibly be: "A far right 'conspiracy theorist'."

It's easier to just keep your head down, keep working from home, keep blaming all the people who aren't wearing masks or otherwise breaking the restrictions (where are all these people by the way?)

It's becoming clearer by the day that this isn't going to go away on its own. And I don't mean Covid, I mean these authoritarian restrictions which violate fundamental human rights.

hamburgham · 10-02-2021 11:55AM

Hmob wrote: »

We won't have restrictions if they don't have them elsewhere

At times like this I'm glad we're in the EU

God help us if we were like the UK is now with these clowns running the show and the likes of sam whatshisname on the airwaves

I'm relying on the EU to come up with a common EU travel zone. I'm pretty tough mentally but for the first time time since all this started,listening to the foaming at the mouth restrictions brigade this morning, I wanted to cry at the thought of being stuck here for another fxxxxxxxx year.

josip · 10-02-2021 11:58AM

francogarbanzo wrote: »

Young people are passive because it's become a moral/political position. Remember: If you question the lockdown strategy, you're selfish and you are mad for pints. If you think Garda checkpoints all over the country set up to question citizens about their whereabouts are terrifying and wrong, you don't care if grandma dies. If you think our collective best interests are not being served by our leaders, you're literally the worst thing you could possibly be: "A far right 'conspiracy theorist'."

It's easier to just keep your head down, keep working from home, keep blaming all the people who aren't wearing masks or otherwise breaking the restrictions (where are all these people by the way?)

It's becoming clearer by the day that this isn't going to go away on its own. And I don't mean Covid, I mean these authoritarian restrictions which violate fundamental human rights.

Guilt has been the means to control Irish people for centuries.
At least the church would give you a bit of confession to occasionally clear the old guilt and start all over again.

facehugger99 · 10-02-2021 12:01PM

Boggles wrote: »

I imagine young people are intelligent enough to know the gravity of the situation and that anonymous fringe loons on social media calling for rioting and the destruction of the economy are to be roundly ignored.

Ah yes, the "deadly pandemic" that mostly kills people above the age of life expectancy.

The funny thing is, it'll be lads like yourself that'll be the first one complaining when their taxes are raised, services are cut and pension funds are raided to pay back all this debt.

The real 'gravity of the situation' will hit you like a ton of bricks over the next few years.

FlubberJones · 10-02-2021 12:02PM

Boggles wrote: »

I imagine young people are intelligent enough to know the gravity of the situation and that anonymous fringe loons on social media calling for rioting and the destruction of the economy are to be roundly ignored.

Then they're also intelligent enough to realise that the economy is being destroyed without the "riots" you are speaking of.

Terence Rattigan · 10-02-2021 12:05PM

The only thing your local TD cares about is your vote. Time to let them know he/she wont be getting yours next time round. It might concentrate their minds

Boggles · 10-02-2021 12:05PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Ah yes, the "deadly pandemic" that mostly kills people above the age of life expectancy.

You keep proving my point.

francogarbanzo · 10-02-2021 12:06PM

josip wrote: »

Guilt has been the means to control Irish people for centuries.
At least the church would give you a bit of confession to occasionally clear the old guilt and start all over again.

It's heartbreaking because people truly want to do the right thing. They are being emotionally manipulated into complying with a set of policies that have the potential to, at best, seriously damage this country.

Boggles · 10-02-2021 12:09PM

FlubberJones wrote: »

Then they're also intelligent enough to realise that the economy is being destroyed without the "riots" you are speaking of.

So the solution is to destroy it more and riot? :rolleyes:

Nope, no one is paying any intention to the fringe who are calling for that.

There is an article in the Examiner the other day, which highlighted it was mainly anti vax, 5g, racist loons using the pandemic to further their scutter.

Young people, all people are intelligent enough to ignore that weak minded nonsense and know it's it's coming from a very small minority who dwell in a very dark well.

caveat emptor · 10-02-2021 12:10PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Ah yes, the "deadly pandemic" that mostly kills people above the age of life expectancy.

The funny thing is, it'll be lads like yourself that'll be the first one complaining when their taxes are raised, services are cut and pension funds are raided to pay back all this debt.

The real 'gravity of the situation' will hit you like a ton of bricks over the next few years.

You should write to the ECB and tell them to stop printing. I'm surprised we haven't been bankrupt since 2008.

MOH · 10-02-2021 12:28PM

Boggles wrote: »

So the solution is to destroy it more and riot? :rolleyes:

Nope, no one is paying any intention to the fringe who are calling for that.

There is an article in the Examiner the other day, which highlighted it was mainly anti vax, 5g, racist loons using the pandemic to further their scutter.

Young people, all people are intelligent enough to ignore that weak minded nonsense and know it's it's coming from a very small minority who dwell in a very dark well.

So anyone who disagrees with the way the pandemic has been handled in Ireland is a weak-minded, fringe, anti-vax, 5g, racist loon? Lol.
(according to some mythical article)

Honestly, if that's what you have to tell yourself in order to convince yourself you're in the right, you really need to take a step back and think for a moment.

Boggles · 10-02-2021 12:30PM

MOH wrote: »

So anyone who disagrees with the way the pandemic has been handled in Ireland is a weak-minded, fringe, anti-vax, 5g, racist loon? Lol.

Nope.

Anyone who is calling for the all out destruction of the economy and insighting violence and riots.

But you knew that.

In reality the pandemic would have had very little impact on their lives, they having checked out from society a long time before it happened.

francogarbanzo · 10-02-2021 12:35PM

Boggles wrote: »

Nope.

Anyone who is calling for the all out destruction of the economy and insighting violence and riots.

But you knew that.

In reality the pandemic would have had very little impact on their lives, they having checked out from society a long time before it happened.

The pandemic would have had very little impact on our lives if we didn't impose lockdowns.

Based on the graphs, which states do you think have the most relaxed and the most authoritarian lockdowns?

And also in which states did people die due to hospitals being overwhelmed? (Hint: None.)

(Edit: Source: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-19-hospitalizations-us/)

Boggles · 10-02-2021 12:38PM

francogarbanzo wrote: »

The pandemic would have had very little impact on our lives if we didn't impose lockdowns.

Really? You picked a country where their is at least half a million dead from the pandemic?

A country which was led by a inate simpleton who went golfing for the weekend instead of signing a relief bill to help the desperate people who actually elected him? I'm going to say their overall policy led from the top has been a complete and utter failure.

That's before we even mention the insurrection. :rolleyes:

Now the pandemic may have had very little impact on your life, but that is more down to personal circumstances TBF.

francogarbanzo · 10-02-2021 12:44PM

Boggles wrote: »

Really? You picked a country where their is at least half a million dead from the pandemic?

A country which was led by a inate simpleton who went golfing for the weekend instead of signing a relief bill to help the people who elected him?

Now the pandemic may have had very little impact on your life, but that is more down to personal circumstances TBF.

But wait a minute, I thought the point of the restrictions was to prevent additional people from dying due to hospitals being overwhelmed? Remember this?

In the past 7 days, the US has faced 48 Covid deaths per million. Ireland? Also 48 per million.

Also, most of my friends and family back in the states, they can go to restaurants, go to bars, go to the beach, visit family and friends, shop for "non-essential goods", have a super bowl party, drive to the forest, get a haircut, etc. While having the same outcomes as Ireland in terms of current death rates. Sad stuff.

Boggles · 10-02-2021 12:49PM

francogarbanzo wrote: »

In the past 7 days, the US has faced 48 Covid deaths per million. Ireland? Also 48 per million.

So Irelands worst peek is on par with their lull?

Yup, just proved my point, thanks.

Boggles · 10-02-2021 12:52PM

francogarbanzo wrote: »

Also, most of my friends and family back in the states, they can go to restaurants, go to bars, go to the beach, visit family and friends, shop for "non-essential goods", have a super bowl party, drive to the forest, get a haircut, etc. While having the same outcomes as Ireland in terms of current death rates. Sad stuff.

There is also at least half a million families who can't do that with love ones at all.

walus · 10-02-2021 12:52PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

You should write to the ECB and tell them to stop printing. I'm surprised we haven't been bankrupt since 2008.

The fact that in the past 10 months they have printed very much the same amount as in 10 years prior to that while recovering from the 2008 recession should make people stop and think twice before suggesting that this will 'blow off'.

It will not. It will have inter-generational consequences.

tobefrank321 · 10-02-2021 12:53PM

We'll have to admit eventually that we should have put everything into the zero covid approach, including closing/restricting travel from abroad.

The NI border was our undoing in the end.

There is no way we can live with covid, and its pointless opening everything up including schools, only to close them again 3-4 weeks later.

Sexual Chocolate · 10-02-2021 12:56PM

Anyone think the 5km limit will go on past 5th of March ?

celt262 · 10-02-2021 12:59PM

Sexual Chocolate wrote: »

Anyone think the 5km limit will go on past 5th of March ?

Yes

Irish Aris · 10-02-2021 01:00PM

Sexual Chocolate wrote: »

Anyone think the 5km limit will go on past 5th of March ?

I would expect at least 2 extra weeks to get over St Patrick's.

10-02-2021 01:02PM

Sexual Chocolate wrote: »

Anyone think the 5km limit will go on past 5th of March ?

They should get rid of the 5km limit. Its a load of crap. Should be changed to at least inter county travel.

growleaves · 10-02-2021 01:06PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

You should write to the ECB and tell them to stop printing. I'm surprised we haven't been bankrupt since 2008.

What is a chart showing that the ECB are successfully adding assets to their balance sheet supposed to prove? Do you understand the implications of the chart you've posted?

Asset inflation is precisely what will destroy the standard of living.

Presumably you or your children will want to purchase assets (such as housing) in the following decades - assets which cannot be artificially deflated.

Sexual Chocolate · 10-02-2021 01:07PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They should get rid of the 5km limit. Its a load of crap. Should be changed to at least inter county travel.

Since the second wave (mid October) we've had 8 days of nation wide travel if I'm correct ?

JRant · 10-02-2021 01:08PM

Leo is playing the spin game the past couple of days. You need to remember he's due to take the reigns from MM and when we start to lift restrictions he'll take all the credit and say "didn't I do a great job, sure we were looking at a lost decade".

He's a spoofer and is using disgraceful tactics to make himself look better at a future date.

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