Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

facehugger99

facehugger99 wrote: »

I am very surprised how passive young people have been throughout this.

That they're not responsive to the vacuous guff being spouted by contrarian would-be rabble rousers, which is regurgitated in the rest of your post, is to their credit.

Sexual Chocolate

Sexual Chocolate wrote: »

Since the second wave (mid October) we've had 8 days of nation wide travel if I'm correct ?

Thats shocking if correct

Jinglejangle69

JRant wrote: »

Leo is playing the spin game the past couple of days. You need to remember he's due to take the reigns from MM and when we start to lift restrictions he'll take all the credit and say "didn't I do a great job, sure we were looking at a lost decade".

He's a spoofer and is using disgraceful tactics to make himself look better at a future date.

Isn't he due to take the reigns in September 2022??

So you think we will start lifting restrictions then all so Leo will look good??

Can I hold you to September 2022?

Corby Trouser Press

Dr. Em wrote: »

The construction sector was warned that it needed to take more precautions before it was shut down. There were too many outbreaks linked to construction.

I don't disagree with you that the restrictions are to cover up the failings of the HSE.

No, it was not.

You are completely and utterly wrong.

The industry was actually praised by the Minister for its response and low number of cases arising.

growleaves

Boggles wrote: »

I imagine young people are intelligent enough to know the gravity of the situation and that anonymous fringe loons on social media calling for rioting and the destruction of the economy are to be roundly ignored.

If anyone is calling for the destruction of the economy (haven't seen that but I'll take your word for it) that is a mistake and we shouldn't listen to people who have allowed their frustration to curdle into nihilism.

Genuinely peaceful protests will not destroy the economy obviously.

Sexual Chocolate

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Thats shocking if correct

Yeah pretty sure I'm right. The 18th of December till the 26th. I actually can't remember if we were restricted to inter-county travel before the 22nd of October or nationwide though.

Boggles

growleaves wrote: »

If anyone is calling for the destruction of the economy (haven't seen that but I'll take your word for it) that is a mistake and we shouldn't listen to people who have allowed their frustration to curdle into nihilism.

Genuinely peaceful protests will not destroy the economy obviously.

Won't fix it either will it?

Corby Trouser Press

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

No other country has to shut construction??

That's not true.

Only country in the world to largely shutdown its construction sector in 2021.

Everyone other jurisdiction has done the cost benefit analysis on it and realized that you don’t shutdown any industry that requires physical attendance but doesn’t involve interacting with the public.

We are an exception it seems.

Boggles

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

Only country in the world to largely shutdown its construction sector in 2021.

The head of the CIF has updated to 40% of construction open after his claims of only 30% last week which were gut laughed at.

Everyone I know who works in construction has gone back in the last week or 2.

Allinall

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

Only country in the world to largely shutdown its construction sector in 2021.

Everyone other jurisdiction has done the cost benefit analysis on it and realized that you don’t shutdown any industry that requires physical attendance but doesn’t involve interacting with the public.

We are an exception it seems.

Could you link to one of those cost benefit analysis?

Also, construction workers are members of the public, and they interact among themselves, therefore.......

KrustyUCC

Sexual Chocolate wrote: »

Yeah pretty sure I'm right. The 18th of December till the 26th. I actually can't remember if we were restricted to inter-county travel before the 22nd of October or nationwide though.

From the 6th of OCtober when we were in level three it was travel within your own county

Level 5 kicked in 22nd of October like you said

From 22nd of October to 5th of March is 134 days

We'll have had 8 intercounty travel days out of 134 which is 5% of all that time

By the time intercounty travel comes in again it will probably be at least 5 months minimum

That's 5 months of not seeing friends, family, partners anywhere else in Ireland

Very tough ask of people

polesheep

Boggles wrote: »

The head of the CIF has updated to 40% of construction open after his claims of only 30% last week which were gut laughed at.

Everyone I know who works in construction has gone back in the last week or 2.

So why is the government persisting in keeping it closed?

Boggles

polesheep wrote: »

So why is the government persisting in keeping it closed?

It's not closed, which is the point, if you think it is you should contact Mr. Parlon and tell him he is talking shít.

polesheep

Boggles wrote: »

It's not closed, which is the point, if you think it is you should contact Mr. Parlon and tell him he is talking shít.

Much of it is and if construction companies are abiding by the rules then most of it should be closed.

growleaves

Boggles wrote: »

Won't fix it either will it?

A compromise approach of some kind would bring back lots of trade and other industries.

I think (this is a guess, so feel to correct me) that many pro-restrictions supporters such as yourself accept the Government's decision to be in Level 5 - and defend the sovereignty of the government and their advisors to make these decisions - rather than object to lighter measures per se.

I mean, would you be very angry and object strongly if the Government decided to go to Level 3.5? Would you march on Leinster House yourself?

The problem with this stance imo is that responsive interjections from ordinary people should be seen as part of the decision, rather than an impertinence, to reach some kind of compromise between abstract policy-making and the need to survive, mentally and financially, and live.

kieran26

Boggles wrote: »

It's not closed, which is the point, if you think it is you should contact Mr. Parlon and tell him he is talking shít.

I work in Construction, 70% of our sites are closed. Which i think you'll admit is significant. I don't think its tom talking manure to be honest.

Boggles

KrustyUCC wrote: »

From the 6th of OCtober when we were in level three it was travel within your own county

Level 5 kicked in 22nd of October like you said

From 22nd of October to 5th of March is 134 days

We'll have had 8 intercounty travel days out of 134 which is 5% of all that time

By the time intercounty travel comes in again it will probably be at least 5 months minimum

That's 5 months of not seeing friends, family, partners anywhere else in Ireland

Very tough ask of people

Would that be very much different from the Norm in reality?

People got to come home for Christmas, the chances that very many of them would come home again so soon would be pretty slim.

Also their is no travel limit on social bubbles.

Boggles

kieran26 wrote: »

I work in Construction, 70% of our sites are closed. Which i think you'll admit is significant. I don't think its tom talking manure to be honest.

You'd be below the average, Tom says it's 40% this week, it was 30% last week.

Nothing has changed around the regulations in a week that I know of.

Penfailed

facehugger99 wrote: »

I am very surprised how passive young people have been throughout this.

Even allowing for the fact that many have been bought off by a €350 a week 'emergency payment', they have seen their social lives, job prospects, travel plans and education sacrificed over a virus that poses no risk to them.

They have been saddled with 10's of billions of inter-generational debt which they will inherit along with the pensions timebomb and environmental issues we have decided to kick down the road to them.

In my experience, the young people don't really give a shíte about inter-generational debt or pensions. I'm not sure what Covid is doing to the environment?

Sexual Chocolate

Boggles wrote: »

Would that be very much different from the Norm in reality?

People got to come home for Christmas, the chances that very many of them would come home again so soon would be pretty slim.

Also their is no travel limit on social bubbles.

Think they are referring to within the country not abroad.

Boggles

Sexual Chocolate wrote: »

Think they are referring to within the country not abroad.

I know.



There has been no real restrictions on coming into the country for any reason.

hynesie08

Sexual Chocolate wrote: »

Think they are referring to within the country not abroad.

Even so, once college is finished, are many people heading home every weekend? I'd imagine 3-4 times a year would be the norm?

Corby Trouser Press

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

Please God Construction can resume properly and fully from Monday week the 15th of Feb.

That would make this current shutdown 5 weeks.

5 weeks more then any other jurisdiction in the world has decided to close a safe, mostly outdoor industry in 2021.

12 weeks in total including the 7 week March to May 2020 shutdown.

Probably the least cost-beneficial measure of all but hopefully the end of it is in sight.

Turns out I was extraordinarily optimistic with this assessment.

Despite positive soundings last week from Micheal Martin about going under 1,000 cases and then opening up the door has now been slammed shut.

Into week 5 of a remarkable 8 week closure.

Just can't even fathom it.

They know the case numbers are minimally impacted.
They know the financial and social costs are massive.

They just blindly, slavishly follow the NPHET "advice".

The craven weakness of the Ministers around that Cabinet table is just so predictable and so depressing.

Boggles

hynesie08 wrote: »

Even so, once college is finished, are many people heading home every weekend? I'd imagine 3-4 times a year would be the norm?

Exactly someone working and living in Dublin are not going to be down to Kerry that much less than they have been now.

Also stating people haven't been able to see each for 5 months whilst everyone was free to see each other at Christmas is fairly disingenuous.

God I haven't seen my family in 5 months apart from 2 months ago.

growleaves

Penfailed wrote: »

In my experience, the young people don't really give a shíte about inter-generational debt or pensions. I'm not sure what Covid is doing to the environment?

When they are in their thirties and must persist in living in tiny pods or neo-tenements ('co-living') indefinitely they will not be happy about it, though whether they will make the connection between our running up the deficit in 2020/1 and their situation later is unclear. More likely you will have a lot of befuddled people who are very poor and don't quite understand why.

Corby Trouser Press

Allinall wrote: »

Could you link to one of those cost benefit analysis?

Also, construction workers are members of the public, and they interact among themselves, therefore.......

Don’t need to mate.

It’s self evident.

Not closed or restricted anywhere else.

Corby Trouser Press

Boggles wrote: »

It's not closed, which is the point, if you think it is you should contact Mr. Parlon and tell him he is talking shít.

You’re the only 1 talking shíte here mate.

60k construction workers on the PUP.

17k houses on pause.

Sit down, shush.

Penfailed

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

Don’t need to mate.

It’s self evident.

Not closed or restricted anywhere else.

Yeah...but they didn't do a cost benefit analysis on it, like you said. They simply allowed construction to continue as they had risk assessed it. Our country also risk assessed fully opening construction and deemed a full opening to be too risky on the health service.

Penfailed

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

You’re the only 1 talking shíte here mate.

60k construction workers on the PUP.

17k houses on pause.

Sit down, shush.

Settle. You are both right/wrong. Construction is partially opened/closed.

Penfailed

growleaves wrote: »

When they are in their thirties and must persist in living in tiny pods or neo-tenements ('co-living') indefinitely they will not be happy about it, though whether they will make the connection between our running up the deficit in 2020/1 and their situation later is unclear. More likely you will have a lot of befuddled people who are very poor and don't quite understand why.

Yeah and that's part of the reason why young people are passive throughout all of this. They, generally speaking, don't look that far ahead.