Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Boggles

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

60k construction workers on the PUP.

So 40%?

So the majority of construction workers are still working?

So going by your figures, we agree?

walus

Penfailed wrote: »

Yeah and that's part of the reason why young people are passive throughout all of this. They, generally speaking, don't look that far ahead.

I would also add that they lack a memory of an economic hardship.

LuckyLloyd

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yeah true. Still though at least you don't have to wear day in day out in the presence of people with covid. That documentary on RTE was a real eye opener. Must be so hard for all those health care workers.

https://twitter.com/rte/status/1359259681546522627?s=20

Unsurprisingly this was ignored by the regulars on this thread. Quite the between the eyes dose of reality in that documentary last night.

Corby Trouser Press

Penfailed wrote: »

Yeah...but they didn't do a cost benefit analysis on it, like you said. They simply allowed construction to continue as they had risk assessed it. Our country also risk assessed fully opening construction and deemed a full opening to be too risky on the health service.

The risk assessment carried out deemed that hundreds of workers can get bussed onsite to the Intel project in Leixlip but a few lads can't go down the road in their own vans and work away on houses... hmmm... did they even do a risk assessment?

walus

Penfailed wrote: »

Yeah...but they didn't do a cost benefit analysis on it, like you said. They simply allowed construction to continue as they had risk assessed it. Our country also risk assessed fully opening construction and deemed a full opening to be too risky on the health service.

That should not come as a surprise. With every passing week it is more evident that they haven't done any cost-benefit analysis whatsoever when it comes to dealing with this pandemic.

ypres5

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

You’re the only 1 talking shíte here mate.

60k construction workers on the PUP.

17k houses on pause.

Sit down, shush.

But boggles went for a walk and saw three lads wearing hard hats so that means the entire construction sector is open for business it's just that the firm's and government haven't kopped it yet.

Corby Trouser Press

Boggles wrote: »

So 40%?

So the majority of construction workers are still working?

So going by your figures, we agree?

That's just the PUP.

There are other income supports being availed of such as the EWSS.

Also, cash reserves are there now to be burned through.

dublinbando

Enhanced restrictions on personal freedoms will extend into June, far beyond the March 5 review date previously announced by the Government, the Tánaiste has warned.

Leo Varadkar also said restrictions on non-essential travel are likely to remain in place “for the rest of the year and into next year”.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40223681.html

Good grief

Boggles

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

That's just the PUP.

There are other income supports being availed of such as the EWSS.

There is pretty stringent terms and conditions to apply for that.

What are the figures for that?

growleaves

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Unsurprisingly this was ignored by the regulars on this thread. Quite the between the eyes dose of reality in that documentary last night.

I don't have a Saorview box. I can only watch DVDs.

francogarbanzo

Boggles wrote: »

Would that be very much different from the Norm in reality?

People got to come home for Christmas, the chances that very many of them would come home again so soon would be pretty slim.

Also their is no travel limit on social bubbles.

"Most people wouldn't see their families too often anyway, therefore it's OK that we've made it literally illegal."

KrustyUCC

Boggles wrote: »

Would that be very much different from the Norm in reality?

People got to come home for Christmas, the chances that very many of them would come home again so soon would be pretty slim.

Also their is no travel limit on social bubbles.

Very different yes

When I used to live in Dublin I'd be home at least once a month

Partners in different counties would be seeing each other at least that often

At least you had the option of going as often as you liked

Penfailed

walus wrote: »

That should not come as a surprise. With every passing week it is more evident that they haven't done any cost-benefit analysis whatsoever when it comes to dealing with this pandemic.

Nowhere has...unless someone can show that somewhere else has.

EDIT - This cost/benefit analysis thing was introduced to this thread quite recently by Finbar as another way to try to beat down the government. How would one even begin to do a cost/benefit analysis on this thing? It's not really feasible. How much value do you place on a life?

FintanMcluskey

Penfailed wrote: »

Nowhere has...unless someone can show that somewhere else has.

Anywhere that has not shut construction would have done cost benefit analysis

FintanMcluskey

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

You’re the only 1 talking shíte here mate.

60k construction workers on the PUP.

17k houses on pause.

Sit down, shush.

If you walk around certain areas in Ireland, restaurants, cafes, barbers and construction is open as normal

Boggles

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Very different yes

When I used to live in Dublin I'd be home at least once a month

That would not be the norm I'd suggest, I imagine it also depends on where your home was.

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Partners in different counties would be seeing each other at least that often

Partners I imagine have bubbled up.

Penfailed

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Anywhere that has not shut construction would have done cost benefit analysis

You didn't read my previous reply properly. They didn't. They risk assessed it. I've also edited my reply to add more information pertinent to you.

JRant

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Unsurprisingly this was ignored by the regulars on this thread. Quite the between the eyes dose of reality in that documentary last night.

Real eye opener alright to see how the ICU and HDU were managing to treat people. It certainly wasn't a war zone and they were giving great care to the tiny percentage of people that are actually sick enough to need it.

RobitTV

Breaking: Fines for non-essential travel abroad to increase to €2,000 - Irish Independent

KrustyUCC

Boggles wrote: »

Exactly someone working and living in Dublin are not going to be down to Kerry that much less than they have been now.

Also stating people haven't been able to see each for 5 months whilst everyone was free to see each other at Christmas is fairly disingenuous.

God I haven't seen my family in 5 months apart from 2 months ago.

The 5 months refers to the next time intercounty travel will be open

January to May at the earliest imo

francogarbanzo

RobitTV wrote: »

Breaking: Fines for non-essential travel abroad to increase to €2,000 - Irish Independent

Reminder:

Article 13.

(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

KrustyUCC

Boggles wrote: »

That would not be the norm I'd suggest, I imagine it also depends on where your home was.



Partners I imagine have bubbled up.

That's not a reason to form a social bubble unless they live alone

You can form a support bubble with another household if you:

are living alone with children under the age of 18
live alone
share parenting or custody arrangements
live with an adult you provide care for (for example a dependent adult relation or a partner with dementia)
live by yourself and have a carer or carers who support you, including a live-in care

Corby Trouser Press

Boggles wrote: »

There is pretty stringent terms and conditions to apply for that.

What are the figures for that?

Not really no.
30% reduction in turnover from Jan-Jun 2019 when compared to Jan-Jun 2021.
Easily achievable, unfortunately.

The EWSS doesn't mean amount to a whole lot anyway, up to €350 per employee per week.
ABC Construction Ltd is, I imagine, burning through cash reserves to keep their employees paid in full.

I would imagine that the 60k on the PUP are largely Subcontractors.

bur

So confused by some of these posts.

Boggles

KrustyUCC wrote: »

That's not a reason to form a social bubble unless they live alone

So if one partner lives on their own they can bubble up as per restrictions.

Russman

JRant wrote: »

Real eye opener alright to see how the ICU and HDU were managing to treat people. It certainly wasn't a war zone and they were giving great care to the tiny percentage of people that are actually sick enough to need it.

Wonder how it might have been by now if restrictions had remained lifted ?

Graham

francogarbanzo wrote: »

Reminder:

Article 13.

(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

Reminder:

Many obligations to respect human rights are subject to so-called limitation clauses. For instance, the exercise of political freedoms, such as freedom of expression, assembly and association, carries with it duties and responsibilities and may, therefore, be subject to certain formalities, conditions, restrictions and penalties in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, the prevention of disorder or crime, the protection of public health or morals, or the protection of the reputation or rights and freedoms of others.

Source: Office of the High Commissioner Human Rights, United Nations

dublinbando

Graham wrote: »

Reminder:



Source: Office of the High Commissioner Human Rights, United Nations

Ah ok so rights are not actually rights and are really just privileges that can be rescinded by a government at any time

Graham

dublinbando wrote: »

Ah ok so rights are not actually rights and are really just privileges that can be rescinded by a government at any time

Not all human rights are absolute which makes sense when you think about it a little.

Boggles

dublinbando wrote: »

Ah ok so rights are not actually rights and are really just privileges that can be rescinded by a government at any time

GemGem and her poodle tested it in the High Court, they lost.

You are free to take a case though.