Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

CalamariFritti · 10-02-2021 08:46AM

Penfailed wrote: »

If everything is open (except large gatherings) and the only other restrictions are mask wearing and social distancing, is that another year lost?

Yes. How do people arrive at the idea that mask wearing and distancing is no big deal?

RobitTV · 10-02-2021 08:58AM

Penfailed wrote: »

If everything is open (except large gatherings) and the only other restrictions are mask wearing and social distancing, is that another year lost?

It depends on the person, not everyone will agree that is normality. Some people will be content with it. It depends on what they do this summer and how the restrictions are loosened.

The summer is only three months in a year to be fair. By June we would of already lost 6 months of 2021. And then we could be facing a uncertain future after that time period. By the summer half of the year will have already vanished.

We could be potentially forced back into some sort of Level 5 type lockdown when next winter approaches. There is still a very significant amount of uncertainty about what will occur after this summer. I say though again that this could potentially happen as Leo Varadkar has warned himself. This would be very damaging.

SnuggyBear · 10-02-2021 09:00AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I’m quite glad to hear Leo talk openly about their very costly and cowardly plan. Time to stop lying to people.

Keep mentioning austerity and spending cuts.
Keep talking about restrictions until well into 2022.
Keep talking about “Just in case” lockdowns this winter.

Let the pro restrictions know what they are supporting.

Summer 2021 is going to even stricter than 2020. Notice he never even mentioned restaurants and gastro pubs. Because they probably won’t open this year.

Ye it sounds like it will be strickter which is unbelievable really.

10-02-2021 09:19AM

Penfailed wrote: »

If everything is open (except large gatherings) and the only other restrictions are mask wearing and social distancing, is that another year lost?

Depends what open means.

The only open that I’ll ever fully accept is open with no restrictions.

No mandatory 9 euro meal, no curfew, no time limit, no limit on group size, no ban on live music.

As long as restrictions are around and life is not the same, they are lost years to me

caveat emptor · 10-02-2021 09:27AM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Yes. How do people arrive at the idea that mask wearing and distancing is no big deal?

Yeah true. Still though at least you don't have to wear day in day out in the presence of people with covid. That documentary on RTE was a real eye opener. Must be so hard for all those health care workers.

https://twitter.com/rte/status/1359259681546522627?s=20

Hmob · 10-02-2021 09:31AM

For me , Masks and SD are the biggest restrictions

For some people it's nothing

Takes all kinds I guess

Penfailed · 10-02-2021 09:35AM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Yes. How do people arrive at the idea that mask wearing and distancing is no big deal?

I'm not a fan of either to be honest...but a year lost? No.

Boggles · 10-02-2021 09:37AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yeah true. Still though at least you don't have to wear day in day out in the presence of people with covid. That documentary on RTE was a real eye opener. Must be so hard for all those health care workers.

Watched a bit of it last night, tough watch.

Someone will be a long shortly to tell you none of that was real.

iamwhoiam · 10-02-2021 09:37AM

walus wrote: »

My almost 90 year old grandmother survived German occupation when speaking her language could have gotten her a trip to a concentration camp or a straight bullet to the head. Yet they all did schooling underground and moved around as much as they could to stay close to family and friends, knowing that they might not come back home. After I told her about the current situation and prognosis for this and next year she said: But that is not living! I think she knows a thing or two about life. I hope to see her this summer.

My MIL lived through the WW 2 . I know she would think that living in a warm house with plenty of food , a TV , warm bed , toys for the kids and technology and Skype would be a pure luxury . She was a refugee from a large city and slept in barns and outdoors with 3 kids .She broke ice on puddles to get water and begged for food . Her husband was missing for 4 years with not a word from him . She suffered awful times which I wont go into here This is nothing compared to what people suffered in wars

SnuggyBear · 10-02-2021 09:37AM

Penfailed wrote: »

I'm not a fan of either to be honest...but a year lost? No.

If you are trying to date or find a partner it's a year lost.

Penfailed · 10-02-2021 09:37AM

RobitTV wrote: »

It depends on the person, not everyone will agree that is normality. Some people will be content with it. It depends on what they do this summer and how the restrictions are loosened.

For the record, I don't think it's normality either.

pjohnson · 10-02-2021 09:39AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yeah true. Still though at least you don't have to wear day in day out in the presence of people with covid. That documentary on RTE was a real eye opener. Must be so hard for all those health care workers.

https://twitter.com/rte/status/1359259681546522627?s=20

Some still think its "just a flu" facts and evidence are irrelevant.

Multipass · 10-02-2021 09:39AM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

My MIL lived through the WW 2 . I know she would think that living in a warm house with plenty of food , a TV , warm bed , toys for the kids and technology and Skype would be a pure luxury . She was a refugee from a large city and slept in barns and outdoors with 3 kids .She broke ice on puddles to get water and begged for food . Her husband was missing for 4 years with not a word from him . She suffered awful times which I wont go into here This is nothing compared to what people suffered in wars

I think the point was how we view risk, and let it affect our lives.

Penfailed · 10-02-2021 09:39AM

SnuggyBear wrote: »

If you are trying to date or find a partner it's a year lost.

Fair point.

Happydays2020 · 10-02-2021 09:44AM

SnuggyBear wrote: »

If you are trying to date or find a partner it's a year lost.

To be fair it is the same for the competition.

iamwhoiam · 10-02-2021 09:47AM

Multipass wrote: »

I think the point was how we view risk, and let it affect our lives.

I was replying to the statement " This is not living " Honestly this cannot be compared to living through a World War

walus · 10-02-2021 09:48AM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

My MIL lived through the WW 2 . I know she would think that living in a warm house with plenty of food , a TV , warm bed , toys for the kids and technology and Skype would be a pure luxury . She was a refugee from a large city and slept in barns and outdoors with 3 kids .She broke ice on puddles to get water and begged for food . Her husband was missing for 4 years with not a word from him . She suffered awful times which I wont go into here This is nothing compared to what people suffered in wars

My point was about having freedom to make your own choices. They knew what the risk was and despite of that they still had courage to make those decisions.

hamburgham · 10-02-2021 09:51AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Essentially this thing will all end when the people ignore the restrictions.

We all imagine an independence day when we can go back to normal but it will be when businesses and people say f**k off. And it will be over a small number of days.

I hope you’re right but I’m not optimistic.

Boggles · 10-02-2021 09:51AM

walus wrote: »

My point was about having freedom to make your own choices. They knew what the risk was and despite of that they still had courage to make those decisions.

Sorry, your Granny lived through an occupied country in WW2 and you are banging on to her about how hard you have it now?

I can only imagine what she was thinking.

Hmob · 10-02-2021 09:54AM

hamburgham wrote: »

I hope you’re right but I’m not optimistic.

We won't have restrictions if they don't have them elsewhere

At times like this I'm glad we're in the EU

God help us if we were like the UK is now with these clowns running the show and the likes of sam whatshisname on the airwaves

SnuggyBear · 10-02-2021 09:54AM

Boggles wrote: »

Sorry, your Granny lived through an occupied country in WW2 and you are banging on to her about how hard you have it now?

I can only imagine what she was thinking.

Probably thinking the same thing anyone thinks when they talk to you.

facehugger99 · 10-02-2021 10:03AM

Hmob wrote: »

We won't have restrictions if they don't have them elsewhere

At times like this I'm glad we're in the EU

God help us if we were like the UK is now with these clowns running the show and the likes of sam whatshisname on the airwaves

They have vaccinated almost 20% of their population already.

The EU and Ireland's performance has been absolutely shambolic and embarrassing in comparison.

paw patrol · 10-02-2021 10:07AM

pjohnson wrote: »

Some still think its "just a flu" facts and evidence are irrelevant.

Interesting you say this , you aren't the only one tbf to you.
But I've never seen people say "its just a flu" it has been compared to the flu which isn't the same.

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/influenza/seasonalinfluenza/surveillance/influenzasurveillancereports/seasonsummaries/Influenza%202017-2018%20Annual%20Summary_Final.pdf

in 2018 for 3 months Ireland (26 counties) had 11,899 flu cases.
255 of them died - 2.14%
191 ended up in iCU - 1.6%
4713 of them ended up in hospital - 39.6%

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

In 12 months
covid cases - 204,940
deaths - 3,752 - 1.8%
don't have hospital figures to hand but I can say 39% of covid infections did not end up in hospital

Tbh covid seems more infectious and has been here a year whereas flu seems to be a 3 month visitor but it doesn't appear more deadly to the infected than a "bad flu".
You did ask for facts and evidence didn't you - knock yourself out

we never do anything remotely like this for the flu.
The reaction would indicate that covid is umpteen times worse than the flu. Its not.

*Also we must consider that all covid deaths are "death with covid" not actual covid caused deaths.
regardless of how many aren't really covid death , this does decrease the covid death in reality.

polesheep · 10-02-2021 10:14AM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I was replying to the statement " This is not living " Honestly this cannot be compared to living through a World War

In some ways, no, but in other ways, yes, it can.

caveat emptor · 10-02-2021 10:17AM

paw patrol wrote: »

Interesting you say this , you aren't the only one tbf to you.
But I've never seen people say "its just a flu" it has been compared to the flu which isn't the same.

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/influenza/seasonalinfluenza/surveillance/influenzasurveillancereports/seasonsummaries/Influenza%202017-2018%20Annual%20Summary_Final.pdf

in 2018 for 3 months Ireland (26 counties) had 11,899 flu cases.
255 of them died - 2.14%
191 ended up in iCU - 1.6%
4713 of them ended up in hospital - 39.6%

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

In 12 months
covid cases - 204,940
deaths - 3,752 - 1.8%
don't have hospital figures to hand but I can say 39% of covid infections did not end up in hospital

Tbh covid seems more infectious and has been here a year whereas flu seems to be a 3 month visitor but it doesn't appear more deadly to the infected than a "bad flu".
You did ask for facts and evidence didn't you - knock yourself out

we never do anything remotely like this for the flu.
The reaction would indicate that covid is umpteen times worse than the flu. Its not.

*Also we must consider that all covid deaths are "death with covid" not actual covid caused deaths.
regardless of how many aren't really covid death , this does decrease the covid death in reality.

Very informative post but it's not comparing like for like I think.
How many tests did we do for flu?
I think it's hard to compare considering how much testing we've done for covid.

Boggles · 10-02-2021 10:17AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

They have vaccinated almost 20% of their population already.

The EU and Ireland's performance has been absolutely shambolic and embarrassing in comparison.

No haven't, they have administered a first dose.

Ireland have almost double the amount of people fully vaccinated using what the data suggests is more a efficacious vaccine.

We are also following the science and available data more stringently than our UK counterparts.

But even at that we are top 3 in the EU at rollout.

The fetish with the who will win the Vaccine Cup is truly bizarre.

BTownB · 10-02-2021 10:19AM

polesheep wrote: »

In some ways, no, but in other ways, yes, it can.

In Ireland during the emergency you could call into your neighbours and play cards, have a chat, hug your adult children, your grandkids.... Not saying it wasnt tough but human interaction was allowed.

We are social beings and this is unnatural for a lot of people.

Lord Spence · 10-02-2021 10:19AM

Let be honest most would say they are only interested in getting the vaccines rolled out quicker because they want their life back and not because they are in fear of their lives...

Variants are somehow the new method for keeping lockdowns into the future even though like many things in this pandemic their is very little science or evidence that these new strains are any more dangerous then the original strain in fact they might even be less dangerous but we will never know as all they tell us is what country the strain is from.

walus · 10-02-2021 10:20AM

Boggles wrote: »

Sorry, your Granny lived through an occupied country in WW2 and you are banging on to her about how hard you have it now?

I can only imagine what she was thinking.

Boggles, Nox or whatever you call yourself these days, you can be imagining whatever you want, at this stage I could not care less.

Boggles · 10-02-2021 10:20AM

paw patrol wrote: »

But I've never seen people say "its just a flu" it has been compared to the flu which isn't the same.

There has been people on here claim Covid is not deadly and the flu is worse.

But again, Covid is nothing like the flu, it's far more dangerous.

11 months in, if you are still trying to equate the 2, then that's a failing on your behalf.

We eradicated the flu using the measures to control Covid. Gives you a sense of how dangerous Covid is.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings