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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #4772
    frank8211
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭frank8211


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    No school will open if its deemed unsafe for other indoor industries to open . So it will just be construction

    iF THEY open all schools we will be back in trouble fast


  • #4773
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,603 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Miccoli wrote: »
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9239863/amp/Britain-trapped-lockdown-cycles-YEARS-SAGE-scientist-warns.html

    Just over one week since you posted that question regarding indefinite/never ending lockdown and you now have your answer, albeit UK based rather than Ireland.

    Only read the headline but it is only one attention seeking persons opinion not a fact!!!


  • #4774
    frank8211
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭frank8211


    is_that_so wrote: »
    HSE data says they are not high risk, based on far lower transmission rates.

    that data is skewed to support the fallacy that they are not high risk. Loads of people in a poky classrooom is no safer than the same number in the function room of a pub


  • #4775
    frank8211
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭frank8211


    seamus wrote: »
    This is tired nonsense. We know that schools are safe. We had "25 people in a room together" during the previous level 5 and saw cases plummet.

    NPHET's opinion is that schools are safe environments. The local data and the local experts believe they are safe environments.

    The only people "making up scenarios" are those who continue to claim that schools are unsafe based on gut feeling and nothing else.

    Some schools are already opening on Thursday. And some more 11 days after that. The rest of them will follow suit in 2-3 weeks.

    They didnt plummet, They started rising in sepetember as sooon as the schools opened


  • #4776
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    landofthetree wrote: »
    We havent the vaccine supply to open up anything till mid-May.

    Good luck tying to sell no reopening until mid May with a sizeable cohort of the most vulnerable and hcws already vaccinated

    That's 5 months of level five not seeing friends, family, partners even within counties not to mind in other counties

    Construction, Schools, Non essential retail and hairdressers are low hanging fruit


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  • #4777
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    There's still a lot to figure out with the new variant and vaccines. There is evidence that the J&J vaccine is effective in preventing hospitalisation and severe which is positive.
    That data is unknown for the others. Astra isn't effective at preventing mild and moderate though.

    More data needed.


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    Novovax performed much worse against S.A variant compared to U.K variant. (90% vs 50%)

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  • #4778
    Miccoli
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 231 ✭✭Miccoli


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    Only read the headline but it is only one attention seeking persons opinion not a fact!!!

    Its not a fact, but he's a member of Sage so it shows this way of thinking is likely prevalent in these advisory groups.


  • #4779
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,562 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    40% roughly yeh
    A few days ago there was a news announcement saying Ireland had hit 1500 nursing home deaths, around same time total deaths were about 3600

    It sounds high(and is) but it's about average in most western countries

    Does 40% sound high? Would 0% be better and everyone who died was a non-vulnerable person?

    Talking about relative numbers in something like this is a bit flawed. You could have 1 total nursing home death and 0 in the rest of the population and you have 100% of deaths in nursing homes, but I don't think that would be a bad result.

    A better comparative against other countries might be the % of total nursing home population that has died of Covid.


  • #4780
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    techdiver wrote: »
    The vaccine rollout is a lot slower than originally envisioned. Reports yesterday that over 70's won't be fully vaccinated until May (source - https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40222058.html).
    Don't worry - apparently we're going to ramp up the vaccinations, and we'll be at Dublin Airport in forty minutes.


  • #4781
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Good luck tying to sell no reopening until mid May with a sizeable cohort of the most vulnerable and hcws already vaccinated

    That's 5 months of level five not seeing friends, family, partners even within counties not to mind in other counties

    Construction, Schools, Non essential retail and hairdressers are low hanging fruit

    We say this every ****ing time. The public wont accept it. We wont close the schools again even in L5. We wont close construction again even in L5. We wont have another full lockdown.


    We even had a German health minister saying they wouldn't have a full lockdown ever again in Germany last Sep.
    BERLIN — German Health Minister Jens Spahn said that with today's knowledge, the coronavirus lockdown would not have had to be so drastic.

    Speaking to Bild, Spahn defended the country's lockdown measures and said it was a matter of finding the right balance between health protection and freedom.

    "Today we can make better decisions between protection and everyday life because we know more, because we have more experience," he said. We now know, he added, "how we can deal with this ... especially if we wear masks and keep our distance without restrictions."


    WHO telling us lockdowns arent the way forward.

    Yet time and time again it happens.


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  • #4782
    Necro
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 57,195 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Mod:

    Can we take the vaccine discussion to the appropriate thread please, no need for it to dominate discussion in here as well

    Moderator: Current Affairs/IMHO, Soccer, Pro Wrestling



  • #4783
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,303 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    A way to go yet perhaps.
    Northern Ireland's chief medical officer has said some coronavirus restrictions may have to remain in place until next year.

    Dr Michael McBride likened the new UK variant of the virus to "a finely tuned sportscar", which he said will accelerate quickly if restrictions are eased too soon.

    He said it might not be possible to lift all restrictions until "70 to 80%" of the population has been vaccinated.

    Around 22% of adults in Northern Ireland have received a first dose of a Covid-19 vaccine.

    "If you want to talk about spring next year and 2022, I think that there will be some of the restrictions, not all of the current restrictions, but there will still need to be some restrictions in place," he said.


  • #4784
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1359200210174545923?s=20


  • #4785
    Benimar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭Benimar


    68 deaths

    556 cases


  • #4786
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Out with the old , in with the new! New Living with COVID plan on the way.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0209/1196068-covid-plan/


  • #4787
    celt262
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,776 ✭✭✭celt262


    What does be the reason for a backlog?


  • #4788
    Always_Running
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,846 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    Stheno wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1359200210174545923?s=20
    Another Tuesday spike in deaths but at least well down on previous Tuesdays.

    Good case numbers and hopefully on course for 800 per day average by the end of this week.


  • #4789
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    landofthetree wrote: »
    We say this every ****ing time. The public wont accept it. We wont close the schools again even in L5. We wont close construction again even in L5. We wont have another full lockdown.


    We even had a German health minister saying they wouldn't have a full lockdown ever again in Germany last Sep.




    WHO telling us lockdowns arent the way forward.

    Yet time and time again it happens.

    Fair point but I do think that after months of level 5 the public are going to want to see a reasonable plan for reopening

    What is the point in trying to keep restricting to get cases numbers low and then only to see months more of a slow painful reopening?

    People will make their own judgements

    I know that the plan is being carefully watched in relation to travel by many people

    My colleagues husband is Italian

    Unless they can get a very reasonable staycation early in the year (June at the latest) then they're booking Italy even with quarantine afterwards

    Now is the government better off trying to keep couples like them at home? I would say Yes

    My friend hasn't seen his partner since 20th of December

    No way are they waiting until intercounty travel comes back to see each other again as that could be 5-6 months the way Leo & Co are spinning

    Do the government actually think it's reasonable to ask couples like that to keep apart for that length of time?

    There might not be anything open but people won't blindly accept ongoing restrictions either


  • #4790
    aziz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 756 ✭✭✭aziz


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Out with the old , in with the new! New Living with COVID plan on the way.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0209/1196068-covid-plan/

    To misquote an old saying

    “Here comes the new plan,same as the old plan”


  • #4791
    Benimar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭Benimar


    Definitely a backlog building again. Swabs higher than cases by 1,000 over the last 2 weeks. Even best case, I’d imagine a backlog of 600 or 700.


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  • #4792
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Stheno wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1359200210174545923?s=20

    RIP

    Great to see cases so low but definitely a backlog building


  • #4793
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,059 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Out with the old , in with the new! New Living with COVID plan on the way.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0209/1196068-covid-plan/

    It's amazing how much I hate Varadkar.


  • #4794
    Tpcl20
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 293 ✭✭Tpcl20


    I just submitted my tax return for this year and didn't avail of the "Stay and Pray" scheme for eating out on the government's dime, which I'm sure resulted in many covid cases and associated medical bills, not to mention the fact that the advertising for the scheme cost more money than it actually raised.

    I did get €30 towards my heating, electricity and broadband (for which I payed €600, on just the days I worked from home). Great tax break for such a difficult time, well worth the hour it took me to get all the bills together and figure it out.

    If my spouse had been wfh as well we might have gotten €60 but ironically they're in hospitality so they were on the PUP.


  • #4795
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,087 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Out with the old , in with the new! New Living with COVID plan on the way.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0209/1196068-covid-plan/

    No doubt this one will be just as changeable when it suits


  • #4796
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Benimar wrote: »
    Definitely a backlog building again. Swabs higher than cases by 1,000 over the last 2 weeks. Even best case, I’d imagine a backlog of 600 or 700.

    Yep. I find it irritating. I really don't get why don't just report the positive swabs, it's more consistent data (even if it includes a small amount of duplicate caes)


  • #4797
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Out with the old , in with the new! New Living with COVID plan on the way.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0209/1196068-covid-plan/

    They didn't live with the old plan FFS, a load of bull. Tbh.


  • #4798
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,341 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    titan18 wrote: »
    It's amazing how much I hate Varadkar.

    I think you’re looking at too much social media - clearly a hate campaign going on against him there.


  • #4799
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,416 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Good figures on reduction in positive cases, will be sub 500 in the coming days.


  • #4800
    aziz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 756 ✭✭✭aziz


    titan18 wrote: »
    It's amazing how much I hate Varadkar.

    Didn’t mind him upto recently but now I’m sick of the sight of him


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  • #4801
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    Benimar wrote: »
    Definitely a backlog building again. Swabs higher than cases by 1,000 over the last 2 weeks. Even best case, I’d imagine a backlog of 600 or 700.

    Would 1,000 excess swabs over 2 weeks not seem pretty standard though? I thought Nolan said before that 5-10% of swabs are retests, 1,000 over the last 2 weeks seems to be in line with that percentage?


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