The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

Lost Ormond wrote: »

A split actually would disenfranchise Dubs based on this thread, majority of dubs when asked about this issue. They see themselves as Dubs not anything else. Trying to create new teams who have no history of playing together etc doesnt work and there is countless examples of this across multiple sports. Look at the issues welsh rugby has.
Dublin has a population multiples of any other so of course development funding will be multiple times what it is in other counties.
Fair play for all counties means Dublin will get ten times more than some counties because of their population.

In fairness, I don't think this thread gives an accurate representation of Dublin GAA supporters. Most wouldn't be as opposed to fair play as here.

It's been noted before that new local derbies like Fingal v Dublin City or Fingal v Meath or Dún Laoighaire/Rathdown v Wicklow or South Dublin v Kildare etc would get the juices flowing and the support will automatically follow players representing their local area.

Dublin has a population of about double of Corks, Cork have more teams and area to cover yet Cork get fractions of what Dublin get.

superbluedub wrote: »

I disagree i think this thread gives a very accurate representation of Dublin GAA supporters , so called new local derbies would not get the juices flowing
there would be zero support for this , it would be the ruination of Dublin GAA
and will be never be accepted by Dublin GAA supporters

Posters on this thread have just offered lies, deflection and have openly opposed statements made by Dublin county board members. You'd have to hope that it doesn't give an accurate representation of the majority of Dublin GAA supporters.

It's really regrettable and unfortunate that it has come to this but the only option to continue with Gaelic games in a fair manner is to split Dublin. If the funding imbalance only lasted a couple of years then maybe it could be rectified but because it was nearly 2 decades long, the damage is now irreversible. Dublin now spend over 9 million per year on salaries, team expenses, administrative expenses and games development.

How can more players having access to inter county football and hurling be a bad thing? Each of the 4 counties will have a bigger population than the majority of counties. The finance is obviously there. The support for the new counties will grow as time goes on. With it, we'll have new championship structures. It'll be an exciting and invigorating change to Gaelic games. We have to do it.

superbluedub wrote: »

I disagree i think this thread gives a very accurate representation of Dublin GAA supporters , so called new local derbies would not get the juices flowing
there would be zero support for this , it would be the ruination of Dublin GAA
and will be never be accepted by Dublin GAA supporters

And the status quo is the ruination of the sport of Gaelic Football. Dublin have won 8 of the last 10 All Irelands, 15 of the last 16 Leinsters and are winning by bigger margins now than ever before. If this keeps up (it will), there won't be enough fans left to care about a split when it eventually happens.

Enquiring wrote: »

Posters on this thread have just offered lies, deflection and have openly opposed statements made by Dublin county board members. You'd have to hope that it doesn't give an accurate representation of the majority of Dublin GAA supporters.

It's really regrettable and unfortunate that it has come to this but the only option to continue with Gaelic games in a fair manner is to split Dublin. If the funding imbalance only lasted a couple of years then maybe it could be rectified but because it was nearly 2 decades long, the damage is now irreversible. Dublin now spend over 9 million per year on salaries, team expenses, administrative expenses and games development.

How can more players having access to inter county football and hurling be a bad thing? Each of the 4 counties will have a bigger population than the majority of counties. The finance is obviously there. The support for the new counties will grow as time goes on. With it, we'll have new championship structures. It'll be an exciting and invigorating change to Gaelic games. We have to do it.

Agreed this thread is riddled with lies and nasty agendas , as has been said many times on here , there will be no support for new counties it will never be accepted by Dublin GAA Fans , bigger populations helps for sure , but player populations is what really matters .
Dublin GAA membership 40,000
Cork GAA membership 35,000

superbluedub wrote: »

Agreed this thread is riddled with lies and nasty agendas , as has been said many times on here , there will be no support for new counties it will never be accepted by Dublin GAA Fans , bigger populations helps for sure , but player populations is what really matters .
Dublin GAA membership 40,000
Cork GAA membership 35,000

That's why it was crazy to give Dublin such massive over funding. It's the reason for the split. It was supposed to happen along with the funding in the early 2000's but only the money part went ahead. With the finance available in Dublin GAA now, the split is the only option. Population was never the big issue.

I know certain sections of Dublin won't instantly buy into the new counties but it will build. We're at the stage where there is no other choice.

Enquiring wrote: »

That's why it was crazy to give Dublin such massive over funding. It's the reason for the split. It was supposed to happen along with the funding in the early 2000's but only the money part went ahead. With the finance available in Dublin GAA now, the split is the only option. Population was never the big issue.

I know certain sections of Dublin won't instantly buy into the new counties but it will build. We're at the stage where there is no other choice.

Thats why they got the funding , 40,000 membership for a population of 1.3 million is very poor uptake , but then you know that !
It will not build , it will not happen , its unaceptable to Dublin GAA fans .
There are however always choices .

blanch152 wrote: »

The success of Dublin has been down to a combination of three brilliant managers, three or four excellent age-groups out of a decade, and the best GAA player ever in Stephen Cluxton.

When we look back at this era, the likes of James McCarthy, Brian Fenton and Ciaran Kilkenny will also feature in discussions about the best ever for their position.

Finally, the importance of a freetaker like Dean Rock should not be underestimated. When it has come to the crunch other freetakers like Cillian O'Connor have been found wanting in the key pressure moments. Not Dean Rock.

The only thing that is certain is that it will end. I see it coming in the next couple of years. Too many two-footed forwards have been lost, back-up seasoned defenders are hard to find, and a second consistent midfielder is nowhere to be seen. They are small margins but someday soon they will catch Dublin out.

Get your head out of the clouds. The reason for all of that clearly goes back to €€€€€€€€€€€€€€€. The €18,000,000 or so that Dublin received over 12 years. Without that the rest would not have followed.

superbluedub wrote: »

Thats why they got the funding , 40,000 membership for a population of 1.3 million is very poor uptake , but then you know that !
It will not build , it will not happen , its unaceptable to Dublin GAA fans .
There are however always choices .

The money has mainly gone into improving standards in clubs, the coaches are employed by the clubs. They complete tasks under the direction of their employers. So the main target of the coaches are the below 30,000 children aged between 8 and 18 already registered. You already know this. According to senior Dublin GAA employees, these coaches have improved standards dramatically across every area of Dublin GAA.

There are no alternatives. The split is the only option. If some Dublin fans are upset, they need to take it up with the Dublin county board. They actively chased the money, the accepted the money, they knew splitting Dublin was on the table along with this.

Enquiring wrote: »

That's why it was crazy to give Dublin such massive over funding. It's the reason for the split. It was supposed to happen along with the funding in the early 2000's but only the money part went ahead. With the finance available in Dublin GAA now, the split is the only option. Population was never the big issue.

I know certain sections of Dublin won't instantly buy into the new counties but it will build. We're at the stage where there is no other choice.

There is so much room for growth in Dublin. Population is double Corks yet regular playing population isnt that so of course you will put a lot into Dublin development officers to try drive/increase long term playing numbers.
A split isnt the only option. Formats of competitions and getting the best playing the best far more is a much easier/better thing to do first. Then and maybe then do you look at a change that fundamentally changes the GAA forever.

Enquiring wrote: »

Demoting counties to a b championship will seriously damage our games in those counties. We have seen this with Offaly. Funding these counties instead will work, we have seen this with Dublin.

There is so much room for growth in every single county. That's what a sporting organisation ike the GAA should be aiming for. They should have spread the funding to every county. By making it a Dublin only fund, they have left us in this position.

You seem happy to allow one county spend almost 10 million per year on wages and development costs, when will you see a problem? When they're spending 20 million?

No it wont. Most counties in any given year dont have a hope of winning an all ireland. A properly developed and promoted competition that gives counties a genuine chance of playing an all ireland final in croke Park late in summer or in the autumn is far better than the current set up. Dublin has a quarter the countries population of course their funding will be much higher than elsewhere.

Lost Ormond wrote: »

No it wont. Most counties in any given year dont have a hope of winning an all ireland. A properly developed and promoted competition that gives counties a genuine chance of playing an all ireland final in croke Park late in summer or in the autumn is far better than the current set up. Dublin has a quarter the countries population of course their funding will be much higher than elsewhere.

Dublin hurlers lost to Westmeath in 2006 and the year before they lost to Laois by 12 points. At that stage, it would have been unimaginable to think they could win a Leinster championship, a national league and be serious contenders in the All Ireland championship. Yet, that happened. That's the blueprint, we know what works. Fund the weaker counties. Your option has been shown not to work. It will end any chance of these counties ever competing at the top level.

Dublin don't have a quarter of the countries population, the money was mostly targeted on 30,000 and under children and did Antrim or Cork get half what Dublin received?

I'm not sure why you're so staunchly against a tiered system, Enquiring, when you're such a big advocate for a level playing field.

A tiered system does that. Let's you play against teams at a similar level and gives you the chance of All Ireland honours.

It happens in all forms of the club and county game with the exception of mens inter county and it makes no sense to not have a tiered championship.

And as you say when you talk about splitting Dublin. People will get used to it, rivalries will form, and you'll have more players with the opportunity to represent their county in an all Ireland final in croke park.

ShyMets wrote: »

And yet the Club Championship which uses a tired structure is very strong

And it allows teams space and time to grow into the level theyre playing and build towards challenging at the top level.
The best no matter how good will always lose in the end and drop off for a period.

ShyMets wrote: »

And yet the Club Championship which uses a tired structure is very strong

But that’s logical.