Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

paw patrol · 09-02-2021 01:17PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Harassing people? I'd be taking that up with GSOC. What would your son have done if the Guards landed? Shouted at you to stay in the sea? Isn't he putting himself as well as you at risk of a fine? That's just silly.

He'd have grabbed by gear and driven off left me to escape and meet him nearby.

He sure is risking the fine but I guess his dad is more important than subservience to tony holohan or micheal martin ?
He also knows I'll be the fool paying all the fines.

Penfailed · 09-02-2021 01:18PM

paw patrol wrote: »

He'd have grabbed by gear and driven off left me to escape and meet him nearby.

He sure is risking the fine but I guess his dad is more important than subservience to tony holohan or micheal martin ?
He also knows I'll be the fool paying all the fines.

Hahaha! Glad you didn't get fined BTW.

SnuggyBear · 09-02-2021 01:21PM

Boggles wrote: »

So what?

He clearly didn't have the capacity to perform his role.

I have no idea why anyone would champion someone with "ideas" that were psychopathic, particular a clinical director of a hospital group.

He resigned because he lost control of his faculties, and his position was no longer tenable.

Strange person to admire.

Psychopathic? I haven't seen anyone talk about covid with as much compassion and heart as him.

paw patrol · 09-02-2021 01:22PM

Boggles wrote: »

So what?

He clearly didn't have the capacity to perform his role.

I have no idea why anyone would champion someone with "ideas" that were psychopathic.

A weird statement to make on his capacity unless you knew him.
Did he survive all those years with poor performance?

Dr Feely wiped the floor on miriams show with the other expert (de Gascun I think?)
Well prepared and articulate.

I don't know what you work at - but having naysayers (in any field) is of great importance - it avoids group think and passengers who just go with the flow.
This has been proven many times in history.

One thing is clear from your posts, you think everybody who disagrees with your covid strategy is a loon or (your new word) psychopathic. In a way it makes your posts enjoyable.

09-02-2021 01:29PM

paw patrol wrote: »

A weird statement to make on his capacity unless you knew him.
Did he survive all those years with poor performance?

Dr Feely wiped the floor on miriams show with the other expert (de Gascun I think?)
Well prepared and articulate.

I don't know what you work at - but having naysayers (in any field) is of great importance - it avoids group think and passengers who just go with the flow.
This has been proven many times in history.

One thing is clear from your posts, you think everybody who disagrees with your covid strategy is a loon or (your new word) psychopathic. In a way it makes your posts enjoyable.

He wiped the floor with McDonkey,oops sorry McConkey

. Seen that interview. McConkey was stuttering during the interview. Feely had put him in his place

ypres5 · 09-02-2021 01:32PM

SnuggyBear wrote: »

Some of the stuff on tv and the media is like something off brass eye. Dont pass the gravy bowl at Christmas was a good example.

and also if you do have granny over have her sitting by the window while the wind and rain blows through all over her. to keep her safe

ypres5 · 09-02-2021 01:38PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Harassing people? I'd be taking that up with GSOC. What would your son have done if the Guards landed? Shouted at you to stay in the sea? Isn't he putting himself as well as you at risk of a fine? That's just silly.

Meanwhile, in the real world, I had three bikes that needed serviced in Halfords. We'd paid for our cover for the year with them and it was soon to run out. Loaded up the van and took them almost 50km. Was stopped about a mile from Halfords. The guards were waving most people on but I had to pull over. Guard: "What's the purpose of your journey?" Me: "Taking these bikes to Halfords for service and repairs." Guard: "Do you think that's an essential journey?" Me: "When you've two teenagers in the house who love getting out on their bikes...I'd say yes." Guard: (pausing to weigh it up in his head) "Go on then. Drive safe."

They're not all out to get you. It's incomparable with a police state.

do you not think it's a bit ridiculous how you had to justify bringing your bikes for a service?

suicide_circus · 09-02-2021 01:38PM

paw patrol wrote: »

maybe we aren't at gulags yet.
but harassing people for their details (the old - show me your papers ,sir) while they are trying to get dressed after a swim in the sea is definitely police state material. No amount of glib retorts by the great lockdown defenders can take away from that.
It would be funny if wasn't so tragic that last weekend my son (19) was keeping watch for the police while I, under threat of a 100e fine (or worse) sneaked a 15min swim. Its beyond satire , you wouldn't see it in a comedy.:rolleyes:

While i'm annoyed as fcuk at the gardai , it's more worrying the number of people who think this is all good. Servile fools , they might deny it but they'd have loved the era of John Charles McQuaid. Some seem to hold this notion that the state and it's agencies actually own you - it's bizarre as fcuk tbh.

This post has been reported to the Ministry of Safety
You will be deducted 10 social credit points and sent for re-education .

walus · 09-02-2021 01:41PM

paw patrol wrote: »

A weird statement to make on his capacity unless you knew him.
Did he survive all those years with poor performance?

Dr Feely wiped the floor on miriams show with the other expert (de Gascun I think?)
Well prepared and articulate.

I don't know what you work at - but having naysayers (in any field) is of great importance - it avoids group think and passengers who just go with the flow.
This has been proven many times in history.

One thing is clear from your posts, you think everybody who disagrees with your covid strategy is a loon or (your new word) psychopathic. In a way it makes your posts enjoyable.

Very true. It is only when one meets his critics that one learns what one really knows. That is true regardless if one is a professor or a regular Joe. The fact is that so called 'experts' suffer from biases and are prone of going down the rabbit hole even more than regular people.

Penfailed · 09-02-2021 01:45PM

ypres5 wrote: »

do you not think it's a bit ridiculous how you had to justify bringing your bikes for a service?

No. I have to justify going to work almost every morning and going home almost every evening. It's no big deal. We're in the middle of a pandemic in which we have a law that states that we can only go further than 5km from home for certain essential reasons. I personally don't agree with that law but understand the reasons that it's in place. The bikes getting fixed was hardly essential but the guard used his discretion. Fair play to him. He would've been well within his rights to turn me back.

Graces7 · 09-02-2021 01:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It’s basic statistics, you don’t need a large sample size to draw conclusions on data. There will also be a confidence interval, but 160 is more than enough. It’s more than the numbers used to draw conclusions on the efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine for example.

It was before Christmas that caused the surge, and the actual impact of the new strain was over estimated because of the pre Christmas surge. It’s being revised down to more like 30% rather than 70%[/QUOTE]

Have a look at the Mayo forum here and what happened before Christmas in Belmullet.

copeyhagen · 09-02-2021 02:19PM

aye, belmulet was riddled. the doctor was on Matt Cooper "it was terrible when i caught it myself Matt, i was so sick the first day. still done a days work though"

Jesus, that sounds life threatening, better go to level 6.

Boggles · 09-02-2021 02:24PM

paw patrol wrote: »

but having naysayers (in any field) is of great importance -

He isn't an naysayer, he is just an extremely sick old man who had to retire.

paw patrol · 09-02-2021 02:30PM

Boggles wrote: »

He isn't an naysayer, he is just an extremely sick old man who had to retire.

except in your previous post to claim he didn't and got a new role (clinical director of hospital group - you said) much to your annoyance.

Unless you know him you don't know his health and even if you did blagging on about in on a forum is nasty.

even for you that is bad form, stick to the general "lunatic" abuse. Its more fun.

ypres5 · 09-02-2021 02:38PM

Boggles wrote: »

He isn't an naysayer, he is just an extremely sick old man who had to retire.

what makes him an extremely sick old man? I think you should get some air

Seweryn · 09-02-2021 02:43PM

Boggles wrote: »

He isn't an naysayer, he is just an extremely sick old man who had to retire.

Extremely sick and old... Care to explain what sickeness he is up to?

Boggles · 09-02-2021 02:46PM

paw patrol wrote: »

except in your previous post to claim he didn't and got a new role (clinical director of hospital group - you said) much to your annoyance.

No I didn't.

Graces7 · 09-02-2021 02:52PM

Boggles wrote: »

And a far higher rate of the new strain.

Population density is an important factor, but how a population acts is just as important.

Wasn't parts of Mayo the most infected regions in Europe during January.

Yes. Have a look at the Mayo forum here and what happened in Belmullet at Christmas. Exemplifies what you are saying. Sheer stupidity

Boggles · 09-02-2021 02:54PM

ypres5 wrote: »

what makes him an extremely sick old man? I think you should get some air

Seweryn wrote: »

Extremely sick and old... Care to explain what sickeness he is up to?

What would you call a medical professional calling for herd immunity through infection when vaccines were weeks off approval?

Severely unwell would be a drastic understatement.

Penfailed · 09-02-2021 02:57PM

Boggles wrote: »

What would you call a medical professional calling for herd immunity through infection when vaccines were weeks off approval?

Severely unwell would be an drastic understatement.

C'mon. Calling people 'loons', 'psychopaths' or 'severely unwell' for having an opinion that differs from yours isn't a good look and it undermines your arguments.

completedit · 09-02-2021 03:01PM

I have very little faith that the best course of action has been taken. Experts live in their own bubbles and are as prone to group think as anyone else. A contagion of self-importance among virologists has spread throughout the globe over the past year. Who can blame them? If you're getting so much vindication from a cohort of the population, in Ireland's case 'saint' Tony comes to mind and whatever decision you make will never be scrutinised by the majority who don't give too much thought to things. You'll always be on the good side because you can fall back on the emotive issue of 'preserving lives'.

Maybe I'm a selfish self-centred person, who am I to to think that I can see the wood from the trees when others can't, but I really think something is wrong. It reminds me before the financial crisis where every respectable expert and genius in their field(Alan Greenspan) was saying that we were in a period of great moderation and that everything was good. That was, until it wasn't. Same thing with the Covid strategy around the globe. It's not that Corona isn't a public 'danger'(and I use the word quite liberally), just how we have gone about it has been all wrong. Lockdowns and quarantines for all made sense when it was a new concern, not one year on.

I listened to a really interesting interview the other day on Youtube. The bloke was speaking about how Covid and lockdowns are going to have hugely disruptive impacts on the vibrancy of our lives. Uncertainty has always been a factor in business but if you're a new business owner are you going to open up something that is contingent on gatherings of people? Absolutely not if you believe that lockdowns are now a factor of our lives going forward. Even if Covid goes away, something else will follow it. Even if it doesn't, it will take many years for the scarring to dissipate. That's why a continued policy of lockdowns is so damaging to our economies and subsequent quality of life.

09-02-2021 03:15PM

Boggles wrote: »

What would you call a medical professional calling for herd immunity through infection when vaccines were weeks off approval?

Severely unwell would be a drastic understatement.

Approval is never guaranteed and it is not outside the bounds of reason, this far in, to believe that the measures being used to contain and control the virus may end up causing more harm in the long term than the virus would cause in the short term.

In any case, a dogmatic adherence to a strategy for an emergency situation that is by its nature dynamic is not a good thing. It's a dereliction of duty. "Science" that finds itself chagrined by dissenting or opposing voices has ceased to be scientific.

Boggles · 09-02-2021 03:16PM

Penfailed wrote: »

C'mon. Calling people 'loons', 'psychopaths' or 'severely unwell' for having an opinion that differs from yours isn't a good look and it undermines your arguments.

Just my opinion, really?

Not my fault these are the type of people dragged into the discussion and held up as bastions of truth.

I wouldn't be surprised if his family staged an intervention, I haven't heard anything from him since, shocker.

Anyway if he is going to abuse his (ex) standing to preach his dangerous rhetoric which will only result in more people dead, he is fair game.

Also the poster that brought him up basically called you and me a "Servile Fool".

I guess you are okay with that?

ypres5 · 09-02-2021 03:19PM

Boggles wrote: »

Just my opinion, really?

Not my fault these are the type of people dragged into the discussion and held up as bastions of truth.

I wouldn't be surprised if his family staged an intervention, I haven't heard anything from him since, shocker.

Anyway if he is going to abuse his (ex) standing to preach his dangerous rhetoric which will only result in more people dead, he is fair game.

Also the poster that brought him up basically called you and me a "Servile Fool".

I guess you are okay with that?

seriously you're pushing it a bit too far now coming our with stuff like interventions

SnuggyBear · 09-02-2021 03:21PM

Boggles wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised if his family staged an intervention

I would be more surprised if they did but I'm not surprised you have imagined this.

09-02-2021 03:22PM

Boggles wrote: »

Also the poster that brought him up basically called you and me a "Servile Fool".

I guess you are okay with that?

It's not a team sport lad.

ypres5 · 09-02-2021 03:26PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's not a team sport lad.

i guess it's your fault another person called him names somehow

Boggles · 09-02-2021 03:27PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Approval is never guaranteed

There was already vaccines in circulation when he pushed for herd immunity as a viable option.

We have 5 now I think in wide scale use, 3 approved here. More on their way.

Deleted User wrote: »

and it is not outside the bounds of reason, this far in, to believe that the measures being used to contain and control the virus may end up causing more harm in the long term than the virus would cause in the short term.

Being dead is about as long term as you can get.

09-02-2021 03:34PM

Boggles wrote: »

There was already vaccines in circulation

You said they were "a few weeks away".

Boggles wrote: »

when he pushed for herd immunity as a viable option.

Herd immunity isn't a viable option. It is the only viable option. What's at issue is how you achieve it.

Boggles wrote: »

Being dead is about as long term as you can get.

Quite. And the younger you are, the longer term it could be said to be. Which is why you'll see a lot of concern about the long-term effects of lockdown on, for example, children, where the IFR is thought to be about 0.002% (or about ten times lower than flu). Or those in their twenties, where the IFR is thought to be about half that of flu.

Boggles · 09-02-2021 03:47PM

completedit wrote: »

Uncertainty has always been a factor in business but if you're a new business owner are you going to open up something that is contingent on gatherings of people?

Probably not, but that has very little to do with lockdowns.

People are not mindless lemmings, they won't willingly gather in sufficient numbers if a highly dangerous virus is spreading like wildfire in the community.

Bankruptcies in Sweden last spring, trebled for hotels and restaurants and almost doubled for retail.

There is financial pain whatever method you use, our method is to put businesses on "life support" which is a far better solution than the finality of bankruptcy IMO.

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