Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

opinionated3

"I have lots of Swedish friends as I worked on a Swedish team before. Trust me, they are happier than Irish people I speak to."[/QUOTE]
That wouldn't be hard considering the utter cesspit of depression this country has become, with no end in sight.
But it's ok, Leo has told us to order our hair clippers...... .

PTH2009

Not looking forward to this

https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1196068/

PTH2009

PTH2009 wrote: »

Not looking forward to this

https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1196068/

You’d have to be concerned when Leo says about hairdressers “definitely MUCH later”.

That sounds like at least May to me.

And of course, we all know what happens. As soon as hospitality gets close, it will get pushed back.

Graham

Deleted User wrote: »

You read about Sweden on here and you’d swear a nuclear warhead was dropped on the country.

Not at all just this fact-light "Sweden's approach to COVID is fantastic" is trotted out all the time when it means absolutely nothing..

The reality is Sweden have done a lot worse than their neighbours, particularly in terms of deaths and they're rethinking the approach to restrictions to the point they're preparing for it.

Graham

Deleted User wrote: »

You’d have to be concerned when Leo says about hairdressers “definitely MUCH later”.

That sounds like at least May to me.

because guessing?

FintanMcluskey

Graham wrote: »

Not at all just this fact-light "Sweden's approach to COVID is fantastic" is trotted out all the time when it means absolutely nothing..

The reality is Sweden have done a lot worse than their neighbours, particularly in terms of deaths and they're rethinking the approach to restrictions to the point they're preparing for it.

How has the rest of Europe compared to Sweden’s neighbours with Covid death’s?

Some of us do seem to only compare suitable countries in our argument alright.

Also, the Swedes themselves are quite pleased with the approach taken by their leaders

mikekerry

PTH2009 wrote: »

Not looking forward to this

https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1196068/

'Revised living with covid plan' - now thats some joke.
When we were ever living with covid here.
what a farce.

dalyboy

PTH2009 wrote: »

Not looking forward to this

https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1196068/

“Living with covid” plan revised?
Revised from what . We never had a plan to begin with.

Just a carrot to string us along.

SnuggyBear

PTH2009 wrote: »

Not looking forward to this

https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1196068/

Hopefully it doesn't go out the window the days its revealed like last time.

MOH

PTH2009 wrote: »

Not looking forward to this

https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1196068/

Ah, great! Another plan!

Bit surprised they're bringing it out in two weeks though, seems a bit soon. Surely the whole benefit of these plans is that they can keep telling us they're working on the great plan, and not bother actually doing anything.

I presume they won't make the same mistake they did last time of only having five levels, no doubt this one will go all the way to level eleven.

Even though only 9.5 and 11 will ever be used.

dalyboy

MOH wrote: »

Ah, great! Another plan!

Bit surprised they're bringing it out in two weeks though, seems a bit soon. Surely the whole benefit of these plans is that they can keep telling us they're working on the great plan, and not bother actually doing anything.

I presume they won't make the same mistake they did last time of only having five levels, no doubt this one will go all the way to level eleven.

Even though only 9.5 and 11 will ever be used.

Nah. “No risk Tony” will only want defcon 11 in perpetuity for us lemmings.

ArthurDayne

Graham wrote: »

Not at all just this fact-light "Sweden's approach to COVID is fantastic" is trotted out all the time when it means absolutely nothing..

The reality is Sweden have done a lot worse than their neighbours, particularly in terms of deaths and they're rethinking the approach to restrictions to the point they're preparing for it.

Comparing Sweden to its neighbours is problematic — because ultimately the best comparison is simply to compare Sweden with, well, itself. The best way of looking at it is to look at Sweden’s deaths in previous years and then determine how many extra deaths they had this year — which will then give the best illustration of how hard the impact has been. Their excess deaths are higher this year than they have had in recent years but is nowhere even close to the cataclysm that was predicted and far away from the story much of the media has rolled with that Sweden’s policy has been an all out catastrophe.

And that’s the whole point isn’t it? Covid was never a question of having less deaths than neighbouring countries, it was an issue where the prevailing wisdom was that countries affected by it would experience such staggering level of death compared to any ‘normal’ year. It was never a question of “we might experience an extraordinary level of death as compared to our neighbours”. Put simply, Sweden avoided heavier restrictions for much of the year and the predicted all-out cataclysm just never transpired. It was hardly a whoop-Dee-doo success story that they had a good chunk more excess death, but it did not reach the levels of disaster which underpinned the justification for sustained lockdowns.

The problem with comparing things purely on who had most Covid deaths per capita can be neatly summed by simply asking oneself — if Ireland was the only country in the world to lock down every winter going forward to combat winter illness, would the likely result of less deaths in winter per capita versus our neighbours mean that the policy was successful and therefore justifiable to pursue every year?

landofthetree

PTH2009 wrote: »

Not looking forward to this

https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1196068/

The worst of it was already leaked on the Claire Byrne show. We all have to live in bubbles from March 5th onwards.

Hellrazer

Living with Covid 2.0 - - That is the funniest thing this lot has come up with since the start of this pandemic.

Whats next?

Vaccination rollout 2.0?

Travel Green List 2.0?

Will Stephen get his crayons out again and give us a new set of colour coded restrictions 2.0?

He didn't get to use all the colours the last time so maybe he`ll go with the pastel range this time!!!

This lot are seriously getting worse and worse as this goes on. They haven't a clue.

normanoffside

More than 1 in 100 over 85s infected in the last 2 weeks.
Almost 4 times the national average.
Clearly the problem is people going on Holidays and young people working.

https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1359198669887721479

retro:electro

This is beyond a joke now at this stage. A revision of a plan that was never even a plan in the first place. More muck to be thrown in the bin with a load of arbitrary rules that will never be adhered to. Leo smirking away about personal services not opening for a long time yet. I guess it’s easy to smirk when you haven’t been affected by any of this in the slightest. A year down the road and the same old shlt being trotted out. When will people wake up?

ypres5

normanoffside wrote: »

More than 1 in 100 over 85s infected in the last 2 weeks.
Almost 4 times the national average.
Clearly the problem is people going on Holidays and young people working.

https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1359198669887721479

it's all those bloody pubs/restaurants/airlines/shops/holidaymakers/barber's fault? actually who are we blaming for everything again?

copeyhagen

normanoffside wrote: »

More than 1 in 100 over 85s infected in the last 2 weeks.
Almost 4 times the national average.
Clearly the problem is people going on Holidays and young people working.

https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1359198669887721479

shoking. that the nursing homes are still ****ed. but the rest of us are paying for that

normanoffside

ypres5 wrote: »

it's all those bloody pubs/restaurants/airlines/shops/holidaymakers/barber's fault? actually who are we blaming for everything again?

I suppose at least the over 85s should have herd immunity soon :rolleyes:

SnuggyBear

ypres5 wrote: »

it's all those bloody pubs/restaurants/airlines/shops/holidaymakers/barber's fault? actually who are we blaming for everything again?

It's the construction workers milling around

showpony1

down to 556 cases now - time to open up gyms, barbers, non-essential retail and 1.5 hour food pubs.

copeyhagen

normanoffside wrote: »

I suppose at least the over 85s should have herd immunity soon :rolleyes:

serious question, wtf happens when all these vulnerable people are dead. not being a prick, but is it possible that could happen?

normanoffside

copeyhagen wrote: »

serious question, wtf happens when all these vulnerable people are dead. not being a prick, but is it possible that could happen?

It's an absolute disgrace.
But unfortunately as Tony has always said, there is absolutely nothing that can be done to stop this happening.

Elessar

showpony1 wrote: »

down to 556 cases now - time to open up gyms, barbers, non-essential retail and 1.5 hour food pubs.

I agree but you won't see any of those opening until May at the earliest.

And the Irish will just bend over and take it.

showpony1

ypres5 wrote: »

it's all those bloody pubs/restaurants/airlines/shops/holidaymakers/barber's fault? actually who are we blaming for everything again?

once everyone is not vaccinated, we must all behave as if we are not vaccinated.

Penfailed

CMO in the north has said that restrictions of some form will be in place until 70-80% of the population have been vaccinated. They currently have 22% of the population with a first jab in their arms.

polesheep

MOH wrote: »

Ah, great! Another plan!

Bit surprised they're bringing it out in two weeks though, seems a bit soon. Surely the whole benefit of these plans is that they can keep telling us they're working on the great plan, and not bother actually doing anything.

I presume they won't make the same mistake they did last time of only having five levels, no doubt this one will go all the way to level eleven.

Even though only 9.5 and 11 will ever be used.

I'm beginning to think Baldrick writes them.

Hellrazer

Elessar wrote: »

And the Irish will just bend over and take it.

I was very close to making a comment about Leo but Ill just say we only have ourselves to blame. We need a Dutch style protest (obviously with social distancing) to give our overlords a bit of a fright.

CalamariFritti

In Germany there is a story running in Die Welt about spring last year and how the home office (Innenmninsterium) worked with the RKI and other institutes and scientists to produce a 'shock model' which was then communicated to the general population through the leading media.

Die Welt has 200 pages of internal communication between high ranking home office staff and those institutes that suggest a certain outcome of those models were desired as they were planning to prepare the population logistically and mentally for repressive measures.

Leading to a worst case shock scenario in which 57 million Germans get infected in a short space of time and 1 million would die.

In other words those worst case models weren't the best thing they knew at the time. And it was understandable that we needed to be careful. And what choice did the poor politicians have? No those worst case models were actually ordered by the government.

Couldnt make it up. Wasn't quite sure if I was allowed to post this here or of I should go to the CT forum.

polesheep

Hellrazer wrote: »

I was very close to making a comment about Leo but Ill just say we only have ourselves to blame. We need a Dutch style protest (obviously with social distancing) to give our overlords a bit of a fright.

That thinking is why it will never happen.