Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

Dickie10 · 09-02-2021 12:07PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ah, so nobody actually suggesting they're loving lockdown,. Just your opinion based on negative news?

It's not anyone on Board's fault if all the news isn't brilliant. The news is mixed at times. Some things are going well like the vaccine is being rolled out (great), but it's going much less quickly than originally estimated (not great). I don't have to love lockdown to acknowledge the facts.

The vaccines work against the new strain (great), But they're not as effective against it as the older strains (not great). I don't have to love lockdown to acknowledge the facts or the implications of the facts.

Generally speaking, things are moving in the right direction. Better to be informed than deny reality that you don' like. What do you actually want? only to hear good news?

your accusing some of living in a fantasy land , when tbh you are coming up with hypothetical situations all the time. were living in real world based on stats. this situation where people are going to visit a vulnerable realtive in mid summer so cant go out to a gig or match! i presume you know we are vaccinating people? and we started with vulnerable, grannys and grandads will be vaxxed by late march let alone June as will everyone vulnerable.

Yes we can point to 1 in 10000 that couldnt take the vaccine. That there is fantasy to thin there would be restrictions on that tiny level of risk. sorry but the end of restrictions is coming fast. When the north opens up we will forced to follow quickly enough id say within 8 weeks. checkpoints wont be on the border in 6 weeks i can guaruntee that, the man power isnt there , this is a big operation for 4 weeks max to keep numbers down.

El_Duderino 09 · 09-02-2021 12:18PM

Dickie10 wrote: »

your accusing some of living in a fantasy land , when tbh you are coming up with hypothetical situations all the time. were living in real world based on stats. this situation where people are going to visit a vulnerable realtive in mid summer so cant go out to a gig or match! i presume you know we are vaccinating people? and we started with vulnerable, grannys and grandads will be vaxxed by late march let alone June as will everyone vulnerable.

Yes we can point to 1 in 10000 that couldnt take the vaccine. That there is fantasy to thin there would be restrictions on that tiny level of risk. sorry but the end of restrictions is coming fast. When the north opens up we will forced to follow quickly enough id say within 8 weeks. checkpoints wont be on the border in 6 weeks i can guaruntee that, the man power isnt there , this is a big operation for 4 weeks max to keep numbers down.

Dickie, stats wouldn't be your forte. I'm not sure what your forte is, because it isn't making cogent arguments either or basic use of the English language.

I'm honestly not sure where to start with your statement above. I could ask where you got the stat that all vulnerable and "grannys and grandads" will be vaccinated by late march, but i'm pretty sure you don't have a source for it. Likewise, I'm pretty sure you don't have a source for any of the other numbers in the post. But feel free to show where you got them from.

But the first point about accusing the poster of "living in a fantasy land": they disagreed with planning for events they don't want to happen (they haven't said if they thing we should plan for things they do want to happen). That's just not a sensible solution to anything. I think we should deal with reality on reality's terms.

09-02-2021 12:30PM

Dickie10 wrote: »

....... and we started with vulnerable, grannys and grandads will be vaxxed by late march let alone June as will everyone vulnerable.....

All over 70s won't have fist jab until mid April iirc, 3 weeks later for them all to have had second jab.

You are well off with your late March date, don't you watch/read the news etc?

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 09-02-2021 12:43PM

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

This "some people must love lockdown, sitting at home in their jocks with free money smoking dope" is such a lazy trope.

I guarantee there isn't a single person (politicians and NPHET personnel included) that loves lockdown. How could you? Why would you?

But some people seem to thrive on delusion and/or railing against reality.

Me, I prefer a healthy dose of realism, and if things turn out a bit better, well that's a bonus.

But the fact remains, there's still a virus out there, it's highly transmissable by human contact/proximity, we're still at about 1000 confirmed cases per day, hospitals are still under severe pressure, so pubs are a long way down the list of priorities of things to get back open.

The hospitals are always under pressure. It's just a different type of pressure... No worse than normal. The actual problem is the knock on effect of having covid patients taking up beds/wards and granny being told she'll have to wait for her hip replacement.

Believe me when I say this. The hospitals are very very very quiet.

El_Duderino 09 · 09-02-2021 12:47PM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

The hospitals are always under pressure. It's just a different type of pressure... No worse than normal. The actual problem is the knock on effect of having covid patients taking up beds/wards and granny being told she'll have to wait for her hip replacement.

Believe me when I say this. The hospitals are very very very quiet.

Yeah, and without lockdowns the hospitals would only be at capacity and people would be dying of covid at home, without any medical assistance.

fin12 · 09-02-2021 12:50PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Lol. I think plenty of people in these threads have shown their contempt for the rules and personal responsibility.

This isn’t a personal responsibility issue thought, and I think you know that. You can’t take personal responsibility for the people you pass the virus to.

I was wondering about this yesterday. When things open up, of the virus is always around, how much personal responsibility do you think people will take? Do you think it would be common for someone to say “sorry, I can’t go to the match/comedy gig/pub this weekend, I’m taking the kids to see my mother next weekend. She’s vulnerable so I’m taking personal responsibility by shielding as best I can this week”.

I think it might become a common thing to hear but my Mrs disagrees. It will be interesting to see what happens.

Oh u were going on about vaccines there for a while... there are health care workers refusing to take the vaccine so if people who are literally working in the firing line with this thing have actually refused to take it , well that’s saying something and would definitely make me think twice about taking it.

fin12 · 09-02-2021 12:54PM

Will the 5km be lifted in March 5th or when do people think this will be lifted? Want to go to west cork.

El_Duderino 09 · 09-02-2021 12:54PM

fin12 wrote: »

Oh u were going on about vaccines there for a while... there are health care workers refusing to take the vaccine so if people who are literally working in the firing line with this thing have actually refused to take it , well that’s saying something and would definitely make me think twice about taking it.

I have absolutely no idea why you quoted me to make an anti-vaccine point.

I’m sure lots of people won’t take the vaccine. Mumsnet is probably full of people who would agree with your post. Lots of people are dopes.

I’m not sure why you engaged me. Why did you engage me to make this point? Do you want my opinion on it or what?

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 09-02-2021 12:56PM

fin12 wrote: »

Oh u were going on about vaccines there for a while... there are health care workers refusing to take the vaccine so if people who are literally working in the firing line with this thing have actually refused to take it , well that’s saying something and would definitely make me think twice about taking it.

I've seen first hand what the vaccine does to people. Perfectly healthy doctors and nurses being absolutely in bits a few hours after the jab and ending up in the hospital themselves. I'm not anti vaxx. I know how they work, it's gonna happen to a few people no matter what jab they get... But I've seen it fxxk up too many people. I absolutely regret getting it. For me I took a bigger risk in accepting it.

fin12 · 09-02-2021 12:57PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I have absolutely no idea why you quoted me to make an anti-vaccine point.

I’m sure lots of people won’t take the vaccine. Mumsnet is probably full of people who would agree with your post. Lots of people are dopes.

I’m not sure why you engaged me. Why did you engage me to make this point? Do you want my opinion on it or what?

Ah u had a big rant against someone recently who wouldn’t take the vaccine...that’s why .

fin12 · 09-02-2021 12:59PM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

I've seen first hand what the vaccine does to people. Perfectly healthy doctors and nurses being absolutely in bits a few hours after the jab and ending up in the hospital themselves. I'm not anti vaxx. I know how they work, it's gonna happen to a few people no matter what jab they get... But I've seen it fxxk up too many people. I absolutely regret getting it. For me I took a bigger risk in accepting it.

R u still suffering side effects??

El_Duderino 09 · 09-02-2021 01:01PM

fin12 wrote: »

Ah u had a big rant against someone recently who wouldn’t take the vaccine...that’s why .

Ok. I’m still not sure why you’re telling me.

You know the score. You don’t need me to tell you.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 09-02-2021 01:02PM

fin12 wrote: »

R u still suffering side effects??

I was fine. Sore arm but what do you expect. Was dog tired for a few days and I still am. For what though...a little vaccine card that lets face it, is already obsolete. Few lads were in bits for days, some had to take time off and two ended up in the hospital themselves. It's to be expected though.

KrustyUCC · 09-02-2021 01:04PM

fin12 wrote: »

Will the 5km be lifted in March 5th or when do people think this will be lifted? Want to go to west cork.

I doubt it at this stage

After Easter the earliest and even at that they will prob try the 20km BS first

El_Duderino 09 · 09-02-2021 01:05PM

Which thread are we in again?

fin12 · 09-02-2021 01:23PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

I doubt it at this stage

After Easter the earliest and even at that they will prob try the 20km BS first

I don’t remember them ever having a 20 km thing, was usually 5 km and then travel without ur own county.

IAMAMORON · 09-02-2021 01:25PM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

I've seen first hand what the vaccine does to people. Perfectly healthy doctors and nurses being absolutely in bits a few hours after the jab and ending up in the hospital themselves. I'm not anti vaxx. I know how they work, it's gonna happen to a few people no matter what jab they get... But I've seen it fxxk up too many people. I absolutely regret getting it. For me I took a bigger risk in accepting it.

Hunky Monster wrote: »

I was fine. Sore arm but what do you expect. Was dog tired for a few days and I still am. For what though...a little vaccine card that lets face it, is already obsolete. Few lads were in bits for days, some had to take time off and two ended up in the hospital themselves. It's to be expected though.

Rubbish, why bother?

Not everyone is as stupid as you think they are, get a grip before it is too late.

El_Duderino 09 · 09-02-2021 01:34PM

If the normal person wants the pubs (and everything else) to reopen sooner rather than later, then the main thing they can do, is get the vaccine when it’s offered to them and encourage others to get the vaccine too.

Things they could do to prolong the reopening would include, not adhering to rules and guidance, not getting the vaccine and spouting guff to discourage others from getting the vaccine.

I know things get heated and entrenched at times, but the people who will actually cause things like pubs to stay closed longer, are those who refuse to be vaccinated and those who spout guff to discourage others from getting the vaccine. If you care about the pubs, then those people are your direct opposition.

Tenzor07 · 09-02-2021 01:47PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Which thread are we in again?

Your one it seems? :rolleyes:

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 09-02-2021 01:52PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Rubbish, why bother?

Not everyone is as stupid as you think they are, get a grip before it is too late.

Rubbish? Listen. I've seen it happen. You can choose to believe me or not, I don't care.

completedit · 09-02-2021 01:54PM

opinionated3 wrote: »

You know something, I really get the impression some people here are loving lockdown........

Definitely. It's just who they are though. I'd be interested to see a Big 5 Personality test applied to the lockdown advocates. Low openness and highly consciousness and orderly would be my guess.

IAMAMORON · 09-02-2021 01:55PM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Rubbish? Listen. I've seen it happen. You can choose to believe me or not, I don't care.

You are talking nonsense. I have to take several vaccinations every year, a dead arm for maybe an hour.

No one ends up with severe symptoms. They certainly don't end up in hospital. Pure shight talk.

Stop talking rubbish. Please.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 09-02-2021 01:59PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

You are talking nonsense. I have to take several vaccinations every year, a dead arm for maybe an hour.

No one ends up with severe symptoms. They certainly don't end up in hospital. Pure shight talk.

Stop talking rubbish. Please.

You can choose to believe it or not. Like I said, I took it and was fine, I saw others take it and they were not. I personally know several people who ended up with severe symptoms... And like before, I don't care whether you believe it or not.

fin12 · 09-02-2021 02:07PM

Clearly I AM MORAn hasn’t heard of the several law suits against the state over the SWINE FLU VACCINATION. Look it up. All developed a sleeping disorder. And THEy WON their case as well.

El_Duderino 09 · 09-02-2021 02:15PM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Rubbish? Listen. I've seen it happen. You can choose to believe me or not, I don't care.

Yeah you seem to be either ignoring or just don’t understand the point of vaccines. Sure, some people will get a fierce sore arm, as you felt, and some will even be somewhat ill, but the risk:reward ratio is what’s important.

I believe you when you say you’ve seen it. What proportion of people get sick from getting the vaccine, in your opinion?

IAMAMORON · 09-02-2021 03:03PM

fin12 wrote: »

Clearly I AM MORAn hasn’t heard of the several law suits against the state over the SWINE FLU VACCINATION. Look it up. All developed a sleeping disorder. And THEy WON their case as well.

Here we go.

Name me the lawsuits to look up, I fancy a read myself.

Or an anti-vax outrage? I cannot make my mind up to be honest.

Why does no one complain about alternative medicine anymore..... ?

Ohhhhhhhhh, that 's right , because it's a load of phucking garbage.... ahhhhhh, I thought so.

doublejobbing 2 · 09-02-2021 03:23PM

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

This "some people must love lockdown, sitting at home in their jocks with free money smoking dope" is such a lazy trope.

I guarantee there isn't a single person (politicians and NPHET personnel included) that loves lockdown. How could you? Why would you?

Bitterness?
Laziness?
Some people think Ireland has a harmful addiction to pubs and this is an opportunity to put a dent in it.

Other people don't like pubs, or the types that go to pubs, but wish that they did, and thus want to ruin it for pub goers.

There are innumerable accounts in the media of people eschewing the "benefits" of lockdown. Oooh I learned to bake, ah I realised there's more to life than the pub. It's all bollocks. Less traffic jams and people getting to see their kids grow up are about the only benefits here.

But the fact remains, there's still a virus out there, it's highly transmissable by human contact/proximity, we're still at about 1000 confirmed cases per day, hospitals are still under severe pressure, so pubs are a long way down the list of priorities of things to get back open.

The anger is because we shouldn't be here. 75% are of a variant that should not have been here at all if border controls were enforced, and virtually all of the rest is descended from imported cases from August onwards, mostly from the UK and Romania.

If even the haphazard measures that are now coming in had came in last July we would not have had more than a dozen cases per day since last July, absolutely everything bar nightclubs and full capacity gigs/ sports would now be back open to a reasonably normal extent. We have lost an additional year because Mehole was too afraid to interfere with the EU Freedom of Movement principle.

Beasty · 09-02-2021 04:01PM

Drop the vaccine talk. Take it to the relevant thread(s) and if you are banned from such threads do not try and turn other threads into "vaccine" ones as you will find yourself subject to additional bans

HeidiHeidi · 09-02-2021 04:31PM

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

Bitterness?
Laziness?
Some people think Ireland has a harmful addiction to pubs and this is an opportunity to put a dent in it.

Other people don't like pubs, or the types that go to pubs, but wish that they did, and thus want to ruin it for pub goers.

There are innumerable accounts in the media of people eschewing the "benefits" of lockdown. Oooh I learned to bake, ah I realised there's more to life than the pub. It's all bollocks. Less traffic jams and people getting to see their kids grow up are about the only benefits here.

You might learn the meaning of the word eschew before using it.

Nobody is claiming there are benefits from lockdown (except maybe the traffic). But most accept that it's necessary in order to break the chain of transmission.

And the "want to ruin it for pub goers" bit just reminds me of a 5-year old having a tantrum, tbh.

The anger is because we shouldn't be here. 75% are of a variant that should not have been here at all if border controls were enforced, and virtually all of the rest is descended from imported cases from August onwards, mostly from the UK and Romania.

If even the haphazard measures that are now coming in had came in last July we would not have had more than a dozen cases per day since last July, absolutely everything bar nightclubs and full capacity gigs/ sports would now be back open to a reasonably normal extent. We have lost an additional year because Mehole was too afraid to interfere with the EU Freedom of Movement principle.

Cudda wudda shudda.

Nevertheless, here is exactly where we are now, and this is what we have to deal with. Two variants on the original virus now established in the country, and 1000-odd cases confirmed per day and hospitals at/beyond capacity.

Nobody's denying that bad decisions were made, but equally nobody can claim that everything would be hunky-dory if other decisions were made. Plenty other countries went at it differently, and they're in as bad a state (some worse) than us.

doublejobbing 2 · 09-02-2021 05:21PM

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

You might learn the meaning of the word eschew before using it.

Nobody is claiming there are benefits from lockdown (except maybe the traffic). But most accept that it's necessary in order to break the chain of transmission.

And the "want to ruin it for pub goers" bit just reminds me of a 5-year old having a tantrum, tbh.

Absolute nonsense. There are people in this country who are actively fans of lockdown. Most of them unemployable, virtually all of them hard leftists.

Cudda wudda shudda.

.

Your lack of anger or outrage about it says all I need to know.

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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