Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

hynesie08

fin12 wrote: »

Yes when they all traveled over here from abroad. Couldn’t just stay where they were for one bloody Xmas. They had their fun and then f*cked back again to where they came from. Leaving the rest of us to suffer the consequences.

Ah, right, it was all those ex pats cramming into pennys..... The vigilent irish stayed in the house and fed granny in the garden.

fin12

hynesie08 wrote: »

Ah, right, it was all those ex pats cramming into pennys..... The vigilent irish stayed in the house and fed granny in the garden.

Oh right the ex pats didn’t set foot in a pub when they came back here. Why would an ex pat have any interest going into Penney’s ?

copeyhagen

fin12 wrote: »

Yes when they all traveled over here from abroad. Couldn’t just stay where they were for one bloody Xmas. They had their fun and then f*cked back again to where they came from. Leaving the rest of us to suffer the consequences.

i thought this was sarcasm, but your actually serious? you believe thats what caused the spike?

fin12

copeyhagen wrote: »

i thought this was sarcasm, but your actually serious? you believe thats what caused the spike?

Yes I’m dead serious. 150,000 coming in over the Xmas. Foreign travel is and will always be the main spreader of this thing.

hynesie08

batman_oh wrote: »

Ignore the thousands travelling in from the UK and heading to Brazil and back too. And the longest closure time on pubs in the whole world and all the shops being closed in the lead up causing massive pent up demand.
Easy to blame people for being bold when the decisions made are questionable

The pubs and shops were closed for 7 weeks, if that causes "massive pent up demand" then the government are absolutely justified not reopening them till the majority are vaccinated.

growleaves

fin12 wrote: »

Yes when they all traveled over here from abroad. Couldn’t just stay where they were for one bloody Xmas. They had their fun and then f*cked back again to where they came from. Leaving the rest of us to suffer the consequences.

*One* Xmas you say? Illnesses and deaths peak in Dec/January every year. We'll have to wait til next winter to see whether we get landed with a level 5 lockdown amidst waffle about 'new variants'. If the churches aren't open on April 5th that will be two Easters in a row forcibly cancelled.

Kunta Kinte

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Or the food bollocks.

Just open the ****ing pubs and let people show some personal accountability for their actions. The country is ****ed, it's time to open up.

Not going to happen anytime in the foreseeable future. End of story.

doublejobbing 2

copeyhagen wrote: »

i thought this was sarcasm, but your actually serious? you believe thats what caused the spike?

75% of January cases, or circa by the end 75,000 cases, came about solely due to travel from Britain in the weeks leading up to, and just after Christmas.

Mehole Martin should be tried for negligence, frankly.

fin12

fin12 wrote: »

Oh right the ex pats didn’t set foot in a pub when they came back here. Why would an ex pat have any interest going into Penney’s ?

Restaurants were a joke. Iirc Tony advised folk just becsuse you can go to one doesn't mean you should. Restaurants were full and not of ex pats.

Dickie10

id be very confident we will be in pub drinking by mid june. I really think it would be a super show of solidarity if all hotels and restauraunts refused to open until all pubs could open. government would relent on this i feel. like the government will want certain hotels restaunts open for tourism and family breaks and people having afternoon teas and carvery dinners . they see this as low risk, but it shouldnt be at the mercy of a country pub that gets 7-10 regulars each night, theres very little risk there. even less than a carvery dinner hotel job

PTH2009

Dickie10 wrote: »

id be very confident we will be in pub drinking by mid june. I really think it would be a super show of solidarity if all hotels and restauraunts refused to open until all pubs could open. government would relent on this i feel. like the government will want certain hotels restaunts open for tourism and family breaks and people having afternoon teas and carvery dinners . they see this as low risk, but it shouldnt be at the mercy of a country pub that gets 7-10 regulars each night, theres very little risk there. even less than a carvery dinner hotel job

Love your daily/nightly positivity but cant see that happening

doublejobbing 2

hynesie08 wrote: »

Ah, right, it was all those ex pats cramming into pennys.....

Has there ever been a shred of proof retail spreads Covid to any great deal?

Course there wasn't. Let's tank that part of the economy anyway.

I think there is a reasonable school of thought to suggest that letting the virus back in to the country was deliberate.

On June 18th 2020 I posted

I'm equally as concerned with Spain re opening to the Brits. An absolutely mad idea. Last I checked the UK infection rate was 200 times ours per capita. With their moves to re opening going nearly as fast as ours they will be stuck with this rate until the virus burns itself out, which they all eventually tend to do, but when that is who knows.

I equally think it's time to consider legislation to stop Irish people returning home. Post Christmas could be a disaster if it's still rampant in the UK.

We wont't of course. Mehole will appear on TV strongly urging ex pats not to return home, and urging those that do to stay out of pubs and house parties.

They won't, and we will see a surge in mid January.

How come I could work this one out last June, but Mehole thought asking people firmly not to travel would see us through?

Why is Tony Holohan so obsessed with pubs but gave at worst tacit disapproval to foreign travel?

Why did he say you can either have pubs or have family visits, but not both, but foreign travel didn't even come into his scenario?

fin12

Augeo wrote: »

Restaurants were a joke. Iirc Tony advised folk just becsuse you can go to one doesn't mean you should. Restaurants were full and not of ex pats.

Or people went cause they wanted to. Have u actually been inside a pub or restaurant in a year? Also don’t know what iirc is .

Kunta Kinte

fin12 wrote: »

Or people went cause they wanted to. Have u actually been inside a pub or restaurant in a year? Also don’t know what iirc is .

If I Recall Correctly.

And he does.

Loafing Oaf

fin12 wrote: »

Or people went cause they wanted to. Have u actually been inside a pub or restaurant in a year? Also don’t know what iirc is .

IIRC, it means if I recall correctly

Bigfatmichael

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Not going to happen anytime in the foreseeable future. End of story.

We will all be slugging pints once the current number in hospital goes down.

I expect us to be back somewhat normal in June but probably max 15 inside and beer gardens open.

batman_oh

hynesie08 wrote: »

The pubs and shops were closed for 7 weeks, if that causes "massive pent up demand" then the government are absolutely justified not reopening them till the majority are vaccinated.

7 weeks? Weird. It seemed more like 3 months, then kind of open for a bit, but not properly, then closed again for 2 months, then open for 3 weeks while being told they would close again.

But yeah, it was only 7 weeks. We haven't had the longest restrictions on restaurants and retail in the world. That's a dream

El_Duderino 09

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Or the food bollocks.

Just open the ****ing pubs and let people show some personal accountability for their actions. The country is ****ed, it's time to open up.

Lol. I think plenty of people in these threads have shown their contempt for the rules and personal responsibility.

This isn’t a personal responsibility issue thought, and I think you know that. You can’t take personal responsibility for the people you pass the virus to.

I was wondering about this yesterday. When things open up, of the virus is always around, how much personal responsibility do you think people will take? Do you think it would be common for someone to say “sorry, I can’t go to the match/comedy gig/pub this weekend, I’m taking the kids to see my mother next weekend. She’s vulnerable so I’m taking personal responsibility by shielding as best I can this week”.

I think it might become a common thing to hear but my Mrs disagrees. It will be interesting to see what happens.

Kunta Kinte

Bigfatmichael wrote: »

We will all be slugging pints once the current number in hospital goes down.

I expect us to be back somewhat normal in June but probably max 15 inside and beer gardens open.

Fail. Not going to happen by June or any time this summer.

opinionated3

You know something, I really get the impression some people here are loving lockdown........

machiavellianme

Drifter50 wrote: »

Simple question, what part of the country are you from ? Its fair to say you sound like you are from an urban part otherwise you would understand that in a village the pub is the centre of the village. Its where people meet, go to ask questions, look for trades people, all manner of stuff, and heaven help us actually have a drink. So for the population of such villages and I`m sure you will agree there are thousands, what social outlet do these people have ?

I'm from a rural village. 12km to the nearest big town. We have 3 bars (one in the golf club), a church and a school but not a single shop. I've never once done any of the things you suggested in the pub bar meet the neighbours and have a pint. That said, I don't miss it that much now as we just ring each other instead.

bucketybuck

Bigfatmichael wrote: »

I expect us to be back somewhat normal in June but probably max 15 inside and beer gardens open.

What on earth is normal about that?

Kunta Kinte

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Fail. Not going to happen by June or any time this summer.

Do you work with NPHET or are you another anti pub person :rolleyes:
Look pubs will be open back up in the summer, even if its only food pubs. We need to have them open to help with the local tourism. Do you think people are going to book holidays down the country if they cant go to a pub for a bit of grub and a pint. Not a chance

El_Duderino 09

opinionated3 wrote: »

You know something, I really get the impression some people here are loving lockdown........

Really? I haven't seen anyone say that. Who do you think has suggested they love lockdown?

opinionated3

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Really? I haven't seen anyone say that. Who do you think has suggested they love lockdown?

Just the overwhelmingly negative tone that pervades this thread and others on boards. There's nothing to look forward to...... Yeah we get it.

Parachutes

opinionated3 wrote: »

Just the overwhelmingly negative tone that pervades this thread and others on boards. There's nothing to look forward to...... Yeah we get it.

Probably lazy stoners who are loving lockdowns and furlough payments so they can sit at home all day and smoke hash.

hynesie08

opinionated3 wrote: »

Just the overwhelmingly negative tone that pervades this thread and others on boards. There's nothing to look forward to...... Yeah we get it.

It's called realism, we've already effectively been told that the 2 priorities for March 5th are schools and construction we've been told that pubs aren't opening before June. But you'll still have people on here on the 6th of March going "why not pubs" ...... I'll take negativity over Delusion.......

The One Doctor

hynesie08 wrote: »

It's called realism, we've already effectively been told that the 2 priorities for March 5th are schools and construction we've been told that pubs aren't opening before June. But you'll still have people on here on the 6th of March going "why not pubs" ...... I'll take negativity over Delusion.......

Pubs won't open until full vaccination of the population. By then half the pubs in Ireland will have permanently closed.

We have way too many pubs and way too many people reliant on them. This cull is just in time.

I loved pubs but their time has passed now.

El_Duderino 09

opinionated3 wrote: »

Just the overwhelmingly negative tone that pervades this thread and others on boards. There's nothing to look forward to...... Yeah we get it.

Ah, so nobody actually suggesting they're loving lockdown,. Just your opinion based on negative news?

It's not anyone on Board's fault if all the news isn't brilliant. The news is mixed at times. Some things are going well like the vaccine is being rolled out (great), but it's going much less quickly than originally estimated (not great). I don't have to love lockdown to acknowledge the facts.

The vaccines work against the new strain (great), But they're not as effective against it as the older strains (not great). I don't have to love lockdown to acknowledge the facts or the implications of the facts.

Generally speaking, things are moving in the right direction. Better to be informed than deny reality that you don' like. What do you actually want? only to hear good news?

HeidiHeidi

This "some people must love lockdown, sitting at home in their jocks with free money smoking dope" is such a lazy trope.


I guarantee there isn't a single person (politicians and NPHET personnel included) that loves lockdown. How could you? Why would you?



But some people seem to thrive on delusion and/or railing against reality.



Me, I prefer a healthy dose of realism, and if things turn out a bit better, well that's a bonus.


But the fact remains, there's still a virus out there, it's highly transmissable by human contact/proximity, we're still at about 1000 confirmed cases per day, hospitals are still under severe pressure, so pubs are a long way down the list of priorities of things to get back open.