Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

Penfailed · 08-02-2021 09:27PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Very true, those who are both happy with the Level 5 restriction and would also welcome even harsher restrictions well in towards 2022 seem to forget one thing....This all has to be paid for!

*sigh*

I've said repeatedly on this thread that I don't know anyone that doesn't realise the financial pain that's coming our way.

Hmob · 08-02-2021 09:28PM

walus wrote: »

2022

2025

brickster69 · 08-02-2021 09:29PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It’s a list of all reported side effects following vaccination in a certain time period. Now most of it is the likes of sore arm and mild fatigue, however there are more serious reports. Now what the anti vaccers well understand but choose to misrepresent is that every event post a medical treatment of any sort must be reported as such until proven otherwise. A heart attack, stroke, whatever, irrespective of cause.

There is an AZ one also.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/958615/COVID-19_AstraZeneca_Vaccine_Analysis_Print.pdf

polesheep · 08-02-2021 09:29PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It’s a list of all reported side effects following vaccination in a certain time period. Now most of it is the likes of sore arm and mild fatigue, however there are more serious reports. Now what the anti vaccers well understand but choose to misrepresent is that every event post a medical treatment of any sort must be reported as such until proven otherwise. A heart attack, stroke, whatever, irrespective of cause.

All very true, but to go back to the question, rather than any anti-vax sentiments it's probably more a case of "I've had Covid or probably had it (given the number of cases in that setting) the last thing I need is a weekend of feeling lousy when I'm already immune." HCWs in nursing homes have borne the brunt and are likely worn out.

growleaves · 08-02-2021 09:33PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It’s a list of all reported side effects following vaccination in a certain time period. Now most of it is the likes of sore arm and mild fatigue, however there are more serious reports. Now what the anti vaccers well understand but choose to misrepresent is that every event post a medical treatment of any sort must be reported as such until proven otherwise. A heart attack, stroke, whatever, irrespective of cause.

They got sick with the vaccine, not of the vaccine? Grand.

SnuggyBear · 08-02-2021 09:33PM

TobyHolmes wrote: »

when are we likely to move to Level 3?

June?

Penfailed · 08-02-2021 09:33PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I’ve done so multiple times for you via the ESRI link.

Do me a favour and post it again. If it's the one that says we closed public parks for almost twice as long as everyone else, then it's blatantly obvious that it doesn't equate to us shutting down our economy for almost twice as long as everyone else.

Necro · 08-02-2021 09:38PM

Mod:

Can we not go down the rabbit-hole of off-topic discussion of vaccine related injuries and deaths. Especially in the manner that it's being presented on the thread here.

TobyHolmes · 08-02-2021 09:41PM

SnuggyBear wrote: »

June?

do you think april/ may is out?

PTH2009 · 08-02-2021 09:45PM

Leos Phased opening system was actually better than the Living With Covid Plan

SnuggyBear · 08-02-2021 09:45PM

TobyHolmes wrote: »

do you think april/ may is out?

Who knows really, that's just my guess.

Stheno · 08-02-2021 09:48PM

TobyHolmes wrote: »

do you think april/ may is out?

I'd say April is anyway

growleaves · 08-02-2021 09:48PM

Who cares?

There is so much money sloshing around now at minimum or negative interest.

It is the least of our worries, unlike 2008 and IMF. It is global now and not just country specific. Good that we are still a member of EU.

Anyone with an inkling of sense should care. The QE propaganda has lulled most people to sleep.

Low or negatives rates don't make borrowing inconsequential when the principal is so high. Debt is still debt.

We've seen the effects of this policy in one country with the actions of the Bank of Japan, who've been using it since the 1990s. I remember a Channel 4 documentary about Japanese people living in tiny pods back in the early 2000s.

How does extending this system out to the whole world make it less of a problem? The whole world will feel the pain when the deficit chokes economic activity. Assets (including housing, education and healthcare) will be unattainable for any ordinary person except through peonage.

ypres5 · 08-02-2021 09:49PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

You have but you will see it again and ignore it just like the other chap.

And I will be repeatedly asked to prove it and it’s rather simple to do so

Here is the link

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ireland-had-longest-lockdown-for-pubs-and-restaurants-in-europe-report-1.4414028?mode=amp

Here is the summary

It’s crucial to remember that’s the 1st lockdown. It doesn’t include the other business closures NPHET indulged in last Summer and Autumn

We closed businesses in our capital for months after that, but the rest of Europe did not.

We have witnessed economic suicide in Ireland in 2020

We are now the only country to close construction

How ye are still defending those measures is beyond belief tbh

It’s not like being the strictest nation in Europe reduced our death rate in Spring 2020

But we will still be in this thread next July waiting for the barbers to open while the usual suspect will say we are just like Europe or some other voice will say people moving about spread cases

I can post the figures, you can ignore them.

But the day of reckoning will be brutal for Ireland

you must be sick to the teeth of posting that link at this point fintan

TobyHolmes · 08-02-2021 09:49PM

Stheno wrote: »

I'd say April is anyway

lets hope for May then #freedommmmmmmm

TobyHolmes · 08-02-2021 09:50PM

SnuggyBear wrote: »

Who knows really, that's just my guess.

yeah i know. the papers have given up saying anything at this stage.

baa humbug

SnuggyBear · 08-02-2021 09:51PM

TobyHolmes wrote: »

lets hope for May then #freedommmmmmmm

Hopefully.

walus · 08-02-2021 10:00PM

growleaves wrote: »

Anyone with an inkling of sense should care. The QE propaganda has lulled most people to sleep.

Low or negatives rates don't make borrowing inconsequential when the principal is so high. Debt is still debt.

We've seen the effects of this policy in one country with the actions of the Bank of Japan, who've been using it since the 1990s. I remember a Channel 4 documentary about Japanese people living in tiny pods back in the early 2000s.

How does extending this system out to the whole world make it less of a problem? The whole world will feel the pain when the deficit chokes economic activity. Assets (including housing, education and healthcare) will be unattainable for any ordinary person except through peonage.

Totally. It is used as a panacea for sluggish growth and very inefficient at that as it does not work. Money supply alone will not fix gdp.

The expectation is that such amount of money will cause inflation and consequently, at zero interest rates, the principal to be paid out will be nominally devalued. But what if this depression brings deflation? Has anybody considered that option? This scenario seems far less rosy to me and the signs are that that might as well be the case.

spacetweek · 08-02-2021 10:10PM

Personally I have zero support for continuing any lockdown beyond the next few weeks. I just read an article comparing California and Texas's approach to Covid and their infection/unemployment outcomes were similar despite Texas having a total of only a few weeks lockdown in the last 12 months. Lockdown fatigue set in ages ago which is why this current one is not having much effect on the caseload. Like Cali, Ireland has the worst of both worlds - a hardcore lockdown but really high cases and deaths.

Set up a nationwide system to vaccinate the whole population at once (not in stages) and aim to have it done in a few months. This piddling about with 40k vaxxes/week needs to stop.

FintanMcluskey · 08-02-2021 10:11PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Do me a favour and post it again. If it's the one that says we closed public parks for almost twice as long as everyone else, then it's blatantly obvious that it doesn't equate to us shutting down our economy for almost twice as long as everyone else.

What rubbish

All you got was parks were closed from this

The Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) health system policy tracker states that public spaces defined as parks, restaurants, bars, cinemas, non-essential shops and services were closed in Ireland for 120 days from March 12th.

It’s the nearly the complete indigenous economy in Ireland and you can only see parks are shut.

I suppose not everyone’s livelihood was effected so some don’t realise

The following backs up the fact Ireland had the longest economic lockup

Meanwhile, consumer expenditure — a better metric by which to assess the national economic welfare, the report argues — is expected to fall by 9.2% after plunging by over 20% during the lockdown period.

Only the UK and Spain experienced worse declines, according to the ESRI analysis.

While Irish GDP was inoculated by the strong performance of exports, particularly pharmaceuticals and computer services — two categories dominated by multinational companies — the shock experienced on the ground has been much worse, particularly in the construction and entertainment sectors.

This, according to the report, is related to how strict the March-to-June lockdown was compared to other countries.

Highlighting recent Oxford research in the stringency of the public health restrictions rolled out across the world in March, the ESRI report concludes that Ireland “ had one of the strictest and longest lockdowns” in Europe.

The value added to the Irish economy by construction activity fell by 38% in the first six months of the year as a result of the pandemic-related shutdown measures. This represents the worst decline in Europe.

This is all during Ireland’s 1st lockdown. They implemented 2 more when the EU did not. Construction is shut again.

I don’t know what more you want as proof.

In fact it doesn’t matter, you have it in 2 different sources in black and white and will still ignore it.

Hmob · 08-02-2021 10:16PM

spacetweek wrote: »

Personally I have zero support for continuing any lockdown beyond the next few weeks. I just read an article comparing California and Texas's approach to Covid and their infection/unemployment outcomes were similar despite Texas having a total of only a few weeks lockdown in the last 12 months. Lockdown fatigue set in ages ago which is why this current one is not having much effect on the caseload. Like Cali, Ireland has the worst of both worlds - a hardcore lockdown but really high cases and deaths.

Set up a nationwide system to vaccinate the whole population at once (not in stages) and aim to have it done in a few months. This piddling about with 40k vaxxes/week needs to stop.

Agree with the first part

On the second, we're vaccinating as quick as possible?

batman_oh · 08-02-2021 10:17PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

What rubbish

All you got was parks were closed from this

It’s the nearly the complete indigenous economy in Ireland and you can only see parks are shut.

I suppose not everyone’s livelihood was effected so some don’t realise

The following backs up the fact Ireland had the longest economic lockup

This is all during Ireland’s 1st lockdown. They implemented 2 more when the EU did not. Construction is shut again.

I don’t know what more you want as proof.

In fact it doesn’t matter, you have it in 2 different sources in black and white and will still ignore it.

It's bizarre. Unless you seriously had your head buried somewhere you should realise we have had by far the longest restrictions anywhere. There's nowhere in the world that people have been unable to leave either 5km or their own county for as long either

Penfailed · 08-02-2021 10:26PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

What rubbish

All you got was parks were closed from this

I should have said, "public spaces."

"The country with the next highest number of days where public spaces were shut was Finland (74 days) followed by Slovakia (66 days) and Bulgaria and Estonia (both 65 days)."

Public spaces doesn't mean that our economy was shutdown for almost twice as long as everywhere else, y'know, like you stated.

FintanMcluskey · 08-02-2021 10:29PM

Penfailed wrote: »

I should have said, "public spaces."

"The country with the next highest number of days where public spaces were shut was Finland (74 days) followed by Slovakia (66 days) and Bulgaria and Estonia (both 65 days)."

Public spaces doesn't mean that our economy was shutdown for almost twice as long as everywhere else, y'know, like you stated.

You are only highlighting a lack of understanding of basic definitions within the article.

Penfailed · 08-02-2021 11:01PM

batman_oh wrote: »

It's bizarre. Unless you seriously had your head buried somewhere you should realise we have had by far the longest restrictions anywhere. There's nowhere in the world that people have been unable to leave either 5km or their own county for as long either

Has anyone said otherwise?

Penfailed · 08-02-2021 11:02PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

You are only highlighting a lack of understanding of basic definitions within the article.

You're merely deflecting from the point. As usual.

normanoffside · 09-02-2021 12:41AM

RTE scraping the barrel again.
This is apparently the future of gigs

https://twitter.com/SarahDallaghan/status/1358921006220460037

FintanMcluskey · 09-02-2021 12:43AM

normanoffside wrote: »

RTE scraping the barrel again.
This is apparently the future of gigs

https://twitter.com/SarahDallaghan/status/1358921006220460037

Jeasus I hope there is no air supply into those fcuking things

SnuggyBear · 09-02-2021 12:56AM

Luke o Neill gets around. He looks like he's creaming himself when he's talking about the virus.

normanoffside · 09-02-2021 01:22AM

Here’s the full link. RTE should be defunded
https://twitter.com/clairebyrnelive/status/1358926477228732418?s=21

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