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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #4412
    Hmob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 256 ✭✭Hmob


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Nurse on Call agency are recruiting 100's of nurses to be vaccinators in large hubs around the country .

    Would there be 100s available?


  • #4413
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,264 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Hmob wrote: »
    Would there be 100s available?

    They are looking for retired nurses so possibly Yes plus some nurse who work part time will do additional hours .There will be some who work 9-5 who could do weekends for example . They have already recruited 100's they said


  • #4414
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,070 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Looking at the US, the biggest contributor to growth and decline rates, it seems about 10% of the population has been infected by now, and will therefore be enjoying some temporary immunity, and are therefore not available to be infected and contribute to the case numbers.
    On top of this, the 10% who have been infected are, on the whole, the 10% most likely to be infected, so everyone else is (on average) less likely to be infected than they are.

    I suspect this is a contributing factor, and the case numbers were always necessarily going to peak when the number of people available to infect declined, but it's surprising it's happened so soon, and at the same time internationally, so there are definitely factors like restrictions etc at play. Good news for now anyway, whatever the reasons are.

    I've counted over 10 different reasons provided by experts . They are allowed say i really dont know if they want


  • #4415
    ednwireland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,739 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    They are looking for retired nurses so possibly Yes plus some nurse who work part time will do additional hours .There will be some who work 9-5 who could do weekends for example . They have already recruited 100's they said

    i wonder if they will have to pay their registration fees ?

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  • #4416
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,264 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    ednwireland wrote: »
    i wonder if they will have to pay their registration fees ?

    Well anyone still working has paid it anyway .The retired will have paid if still registered , if not registered they cant work anyway .


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  • #4417
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    I've counted over 10 different reasons provided by experts . They are allowed say i really dont know if they want
    Eh? I never said anyone wasn't allowed say they didn't know something. I just mentioned one possible contributing factor.
    In general, if more people admitted when they didn't know something, the thread etc. would be a lot shorter and easier to read.


  • #4418
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,070 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Eh? I never said anyone wasn't allowed say they didn't know something. I just mentioned one possible contributing factor.
    In general, if more people admitted when they didn't know something, the thread etc. would be a lot shorter and easier to read.

    I wasn't talking about you


  • #4419
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,465 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    Have you not read the rules, no positive information allowed!!!
    No trolling allowed either


  • #4420
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    I wasn't talking about you
    Ah, I see. You can see how your quoting me may have given the wrong impression. No worries.


  • #4421
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Decent hospital numbers this morning. A small increase over the weekend is to be expected, but this weekend it was particularly small;

    Up 13 this weekend (1%)

    Up 35 last weekend (2.3%)

    Up 55 the previous weekend (2.9%)

    In terms of full-week declines;

    25th - 30th: Down 454 (23%)
    2nd - 6th: Down 330 (21.6%)

    We'll almost certainly be under 1,000 by the end of this week. Under 900 would be amazing, but a bit out there.


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  • #4422
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Worldwide cases have halved in a month, that's a massive drop.
    Maybe it's the majority of countries going with a lockdown and also vaccinations all at the same time. I don't care. it's all good news!

    I have yet to hear any of the experts explain why there is such a dramatic fall in cases worldwide. When you look at individual countries there are are ups and downs throughout the pandemic but when you look at the overall figures the pattern is clear. Cases worldwide rose steadily until late December and then started to fall more rapidly than they had risen in the first place.
    Vaccinations cannot account for these figures. There must be another explanation but I haven’t heard a convincing one yet.


  • #4423
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    I have yet to hear any of the experts explain why there is such a dramatic fall in cases worldwide. When you look at individual countries there are are ups and downs throughout the pandemic but when you look at the overall figures the pattern is clear. Cases worldwide rose steadily until late December and then started to fall more rapidly than they had risen in the first place.
    Vaccinations cannot account for these figures. There must be another explanation but I haven’t heard a convincing one yet.

    I think you're overthinking this. We'd all love for it to be the virus dying out or something but the explanation is pretty simple - Christmas


  • #4424
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    AdamD wrote: »
    I think you're overthinking this. We'd all love for it to be the virus dying out or something but the explanation is pretty simple - Christmas

    How did Christmas cause the case numbers to fall?


  • #4425
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    How did Christmas cause the case numbers to fall?

    Caused a massive spike, after which, the only way is down


  • #4426
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,960 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    How did Christmas cause the case numbers to fall?

    Yeah, had the opposite effect in Ireland anyway:confused:


  • #4427
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    [QUOTE=Roger_007;116205182]I have yet to hear any of the experts explain why there is such a dramatic fall in cases worldwide. When you look at individual countries there are are ups and downs throughout the pandemic but when you look at the overall figures the pattern is clear. Cases worldwide rose steadily until late December and then started to fall more rapidly than they had risen in the first place.
    Vaccinations cannot account for these figures. There must be another explanation but I haven’t heard a convincing one yet.[/QUOTE]

    Yea they don't seem to know why. Any expert needs to be very cautious using terms of immunity playing a role etc . Quite a risky thing to say


  • #4428
    Bit cynical
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭Bit cynical


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Yea they don't seem to know why. Any expert needs to be very cautious using terms of immunity playing a role etc . Quite a risky thing to say
    Politically, yes, but I don't think there's much doubt that there's much doubt of fairly long lasting immunity from contracting the virus. Experts are, of course, reluctant to say so lest they send the wrong message to the public re social distancing etc. There's a lot more uncertainty about the efficacy of vaccines in regards to immunity.


  • #4429
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Yea they don't seem to know why. Any expert needs to be very cautious using terms of immunity playing a role etc . Quite a risky thing to say
    There are plenty of things they don't know about influenza but we have tools to deal with it. It may well end up the same with COVID.


  • #4430
    BTownB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 87 ✭✭BTownB


    AdamD wrote: »
    I think you're overthinking this. We'd all love for it to be the virus dying out or something but the explanation is pretty simple - Christmas

    Christmas does not explain a GLOBAL decline.

    Look at countries like India, a massive population and numbers infected dramatically falling because so many people likely to catch it have done so.


  • #4431
    PmMeUrDogs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭PmMeUrDogs


    Just for the ladies here - my own doctor isn't doing smear tests or face to face anything the past year because of covid, but Well Woman Centres are back doing smears. If you're overdue, try them out if you've got one nearby. I rang this morning and have an appointment in a week


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  • #4432
    BTownB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 87 ✭✭BTownB


    froog wrote: »
    on the global front, the dramatic decline in global cases continues unabated. certainly some vaccine impact there in addition to various winter lockdowns.

    again - this is the first actual decline in cases since the start of the pandemic, excluding the christmas holiday testing dip.

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    Brilliant - this is really positive!


  • #4433
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    BTownB wrote: »
    Christmas does not explain a GLOBAL decline.

    Look at countries like India, a massive population and numbers infected dramatically falling because so many people likely to catch it have done so.
    Well it does explain a global decline when the countries with the most cases are ones with Christian traditions.

    The fact that India is declining doesn't mean it's declining for the same reason as everyone else. India's infection rates have been falling since September. There hasn't been any recent dramatic decline.

    If you look at non-Christian countries, they're generally not on the same decline. Indonesia, Iran, UAE, etc are seeing slow increases.

    It just so happens that the spike from christian countries was so huge and that christian countries are so badly affected, that the drop in their cases absolutely dwarfs any gains elsewhere.

    Edit:

    In fact, if you look at Turkey and Iran, for example, you can see they both saw a huge spike in cases in late November/early December.
    It just so happens that two huge Muslim festivals took place at the end of October/start of November. And thus, being majority muslim countries they saw a huge spike in cases 3-4 weeks after their religious festivals.


  • #4434
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Bit cynical wrote: »
    Politically, yes, but I don't think there's much doubt that there's much doubt of fairly long lasting immunity from contracting the virus. Experts are, of course, reluctant to say so lest they send the wrong message to the public re social distancing etc. There's a lot more uncertainty about the efficacy of vaccines in regards to immunity.

    This is a very misinformed post.

    So far even the vaccines that have reduced efficacy to the variants have a much better response than previous natural infection. The new variants are very adept at reinfection of the previously infected. It's believed natural herd immunity is impossible.

    We have much better grasp of vaccine efficacy than we do natural infection and immunity. Preliminary Indications from South Africa and Manaus are previous exposure is not protection against mild or severe illness.


  • #4435
    Derek Zoolander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Derek Zoolander


    Turtwig wrote: »
    This is a very misinformed post.

    So far even the vaccines that have reduced efficacy to the variants have a much better response than previous natural infection. The new variants are very adept at reinfection of the previously infected. It's believed natural herd immunity is impossible.

    We have much better grasp of vaccine efficacy than we do natural infection and immunity. Preliminary Indications from South Africa and Manaus are previous exposure is not protection against mild or severe illness.

    I'd question that on an individual level - the number of individual reinfections don't seem to indicate a high number of reinfections..

    I believe the Brazil/SA data show that held immunity through natural infection does not happen (or at least it doesn't happen without significant loss of life)


  • #4436
    JTMan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,581 ✭✭✭JTMan


    Very interesting WSJ article here (paywall) entitled "Cold Reality Dawns that Illness is Likely Here to Stay" but it is not all negative ...

    - Covid-19 will circulate for years, possibly decades.
    - Society will need to lean to live with this much as it does with flu, measles and HIV.
    - The ease of spread, the emergence of new strains and lack of access to vaccines for all mean it will continue to spread.
    - But it will change from a "pandemic" to an "endemic". Endemic means persistent but manageable.
    - Endemic Covid-19 will not mean ongoing restrictions to life and travel because vaccines are so effective and severe disease is expected to plummet.
    - But Endemic Covid-19 will mean some changes to behavior.
    - Masking in some areas, good air ventilation systems and testing will be required in some form for some time to come.
    - "Elimination or eradication is not the bar of success" said the WHO. Only one human virus has been entirely eradicated in human history: smallpox. Eradication is not realistic.
    - Monitoring for new variants and periodic updated shots will be key.

    Controlling the virus is the mark of success, not eradication, and sooner we get there, via vaccinations, and start calling this an endemic the better.


  • #4437
    OwenM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭OwenM


    Turtwig wrote: »
    This is a very misinformed post.

    So far even the vaccines that have reduced efficacy to the variants have a much better response than previous natural infection. The new variants are very adept at reinfection of the previously infected. It's believed natural herd immunity is impossible.

    We have much better grasp of vaccine efficacy than we do natural infection and immunity. Preliminary Indications from South Africa and Manaus are previous exposure is not protection against mild or severe illness.

    First I've heard of this? Any links?


  • #4438
    Hmob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 256 ✭✭Hmob


    JTMan wrote: »
    Very interesting WSJ article here (paywall) entitled "Cold Reality Dawns that Illness is Likely Here to Stay" but it is not all negative ...

    - Covid-19 will circulate for years, possibly decades.
    - Society will need to lean to live with this much as it does with flu, measles and HIV.
    - The ease of spread, the emergence of new strains and lack of access to vaccines mean in certain countries mean it will continue to spread.
    - But it will change from a "pandemic" to an "endemic". Endemic means persistent but manageable.
    - Endemic Covid-19 will not mean ongoing restrictions to life and travel because vaccines are so effective and severe disease is expected to plummet.
    - But Endemic Covid-19 will mean some changes to behavior.
    - Masking in some areas, good air ventilation systems and testing will be required in some form for some time to come.
    - "Elimination or eradication is not the bar of success" said the WHO. Only one human virus has been entirely eradicated in human history: smallpox. Eradication is not realistic.
    - Monitoring for new variants and periodic updated shots will be key.

    Controlling the virus is the mark of success, not eradication, and sooner we get there, via vaccinations, and start calling this an endemic the better.

    A bit of sense in a sea of nonsense


  • #4439
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,012 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    jams100 wrote: »
    Is there anything to be said about quality of life?

    I think we need to have a discussion at a national level about this, even if its after covid has passed.

    Having been in a hospital last week and seeing some people who were in an awful condition (not covid), it's a position I'd never want to be in. Now, I'm certainly not pushing how I would feel onto anyone else, but, I wouldn't want to live to a point where their is zero quality of life.

    I'm sure we all know a person who has just lived out their last years as pretty much a vegetable, sometimes you wonder who exactly that benefits when the person themselves are miserable? Again, it goes without saying not everyone would be miserable.

    Anyway, bringing this back to covid, as a young person my quality of life along with my friends has been awful especially in this third lockdown, and yes I know it is for everyone etc. And people have died, yes, I'm well aware of that, thanks.

    I feel even more sorry for the people in nursing homes, I can only imagine how they must feel, some probably being very close to the end of life, more or less being imprisoned and not being able to see their families.

    I know covid is nobody's fault and everyone's doing their best I just wonder why nobody has been talking about a quality of life, for example golf seems to me to be as safe as going for a walk with a friend in the park, both being very low risk activities.

    Anyway hopefully for the sake of everyone's mental health this comes to an end soon, not good news about the astrazenica vaccine and South African varient :(

    The act of you and a mate playing 18 holes is relatively low risk yep. As long as you maintain discipline from the car, around the course and back again. Shouldn’t be an issue but.... Not everyone will though, not every club will give a shît either. Golf is social...

    Also, the running of a club, both from the point of view of administration / office staff, maintenance, greenskeepers, security...mostly people in close contact to do those jobs and golfers who WILL just see it as more social then sporting and be an excuse to fûck the proper behavior and distancing out the window...

    Just have to be patient a while longer. Vaccine is here but it could prove to be a catastrophe if the good discipline exuded by many is thrown out the window at this late stage.


  • #4440
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    PmMeUrDogs wrote: »
    Just for the ladies here - my own doctor isn't doing smear tests or face to face anything the past year because of covid, but Well Woman Centres are back doing smears. If you're overdue, try them out if you've got one nearby. I rang this morning and have an appointment in a week
    I was due mine back in November. Got the letter in the door from Cervical Check to make an appointment.
    I couldn't get through to the GP I went to previously. All I got was an answering machine after multiple attempts.

    The cervical check website has a database of what GPs offer the service so I just rang around and got an appointment with another GP no problem.
    Results back in 6 weeks.

    It's disappointing that a GP stopped offering the service when it was always available.


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  • #4441
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    BTownB wrote: »
    Christmas does not explain a GLOBAL decline.

    Look at countries like India, a massive population and numbers infected dramatically falling because so many people likely to catch it have done so.

    It does - countries with the largest testing regimes all have big Christmas traditions.


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