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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,607 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    New data from the UK suggests that, contrary to the initial reports, the UK strain might actually be more deadly than the original variant. Dr. Peter Rabinowitz is the director of the UW Center for One Health Research


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Good point. Many people will be going in to their GP for their jab and saying "By the way, Doctor....".
    They'll structure this in a way that the chit-chat is kept to a minimum. Each patient will likely get screened by a nurse (Questions, HR, BP, etc). Then into the GP, jab, done, out again into the waiting area.

    The craic of taking an hour for a chat to discuss their son's new child and the weird thing on their foot will mess up scheduling and won't be permitted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,295 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    seamus wrote: »
    They'll structure this in a way that the chit-chat is kept to a minimum. Each patient will likely get screened by a nurse (Questions, HR, BP, etc). Then into the GP, jab, done, out again into the waiting area.

    The craic of taking an hour for a chat to discuss their son's new child and the weird thing on their foot will mess up scheduling and won't be permitted.

    Fully agree. And, in line with other vaccinations at many GP practices, it'll mostly be the practice nurses doing them anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    New data from the UK suggests that, contrary to the initial reports, the UK strain might actually be more deadly than the original variant. Dr. Peter Rabinowitz is the director of the UW Center for One Health Research

    Can you post a link to this please?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,500 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Can you post a link to this please?

    It's just based on the exact same evidence as that published on 21st January when it was first announced by Boris Johnson. I have no clue why it's been posted today.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,872 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    jams100 wrote:
    I would've agreed with you last year but these days I'm not so sure. Come the summer we'll be told we'll be rewarded by getting to go to another county and then we'll be blamed for something some next winter again. That cycle will just continue.
    As soon as we get down to double digits there'll be inter county travel again.
    Lol I remember the amount of people attacking me on here when I suggested we were opening up two weeks too early at Christmas. Lessons hopefully have been learned now and we stay shut until this thing gets down to mid double digits. I personally believe we'll get there just before Easter.

    At that stage we hopefully have started vaccinating those with underlying conditions. We will continue to social distance, wear masks and wash our hands but we should be able to visit other households.
    jams100 wrote:
    Either way come two to three years time we'll be back to 700 people on trolleys. Sorry for being so negative this morning but i really don't see any long term change coming from this other than the working from home thing
    This is an entirely separate issue. I wish I had it in me to go out and find like-minded people who would be interested in sorting this country out and form a new political party with the aim of asking the electorate to give us one term to fix the health service, our welfare system and the many other areas that need to fixed. I'm talking about putting together a group of non-politicians, experts like doctors, nurses, accountants, economists etc.
    It's been made clear during this pandemic that the three largest parties are not capable of running a country.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Here is a passing thought on India. People mentioned their generally low numbers. Bhang is used in cooking there, and in yoghurt drinks, even among people who do not smoke weed. Mumbai and New Delhi are among the top 10 cities in the world for the consumption of cannabis, specifically as drink or sweetened recipes. Cannabis also grows wild and is used in the villages.

    https://www.rt.com/news/514596-cbd-effective-covid-support-treatment/

    It could be that contributes a bit, plus rural use of cheap Ivermectin against parasitic diseases (prophylactic use has been studied in Bhubaneshwar - https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.29.20222661v1.full.pdf ) plus generally being tough from having a lot more dirt and disease than we have to cope with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭gipi


    Given the seemingly large amount of people that don't realise they have high blood pressure, tacking on an auto blood pressure check would take a few extra seconds and perhaps provide a country wide benefit to many people who, otherwise, would not have attended a GP and not known of potential issues.

    Just an idea. I'm sure there are other quick health checks that the GP could do included in the cost to get some societal benefit out of it.

    Some people (my father was one of them) get increased blood pressure when in a medical setting, so a health check during vaccination visits might not give totally accurate results.


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    gipi wrote: »
    Some people (my father was one of them) get increased blood pressure when in a medical setting, so a health check during vaccination visits might not give totally accurate results.

    Yes. White coat. But still will show up serious issues.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    seamus wrote: »
    They'll structure this in a way that the chit-chat is kept to a minimum. Each patient will likely get screened by a nurse (Questions, HR, BP, etc). Then into the GP, jab, done, out again into the waiting area.

    The craic of taking an hour for a chat to discuss their son's new child and the weird thing on their foot will mess up scheduling and won't be permitted.

    It is GP practice driven, but does that mean GPs have to give the jab?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,517 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    It is GP practice driven, but does that mean GPs have to give the jab?

    Whoever is trained can give them, so could be GP, practise nurse etc.

    The main reason for the discrepancy in prices between here and UK is that our GPs are doing all the paperwork and scheduling.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,069 ✭✭✭Storm 10


    Yes. White coat. But still will show up serious issues.

    Just checked the NHS when going for the vaccine no mention of blood pressure check you will be asked if you are allergic to anything if not you get the injection, if the were going to start medical checks they would never get it done relation in the North got it asked questions on allergy then the injection


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Whoever is trained can give them, so could be GP, practise nurse etc.

    The main reason for the discrepancy in prices between here and UK is that our GPs are doing all the paperwork and scheduling.

    Agree. We are outsourcing the logistics. For over 70's that works.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    1024 cases
    12 deaths


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,872 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Good to see a low death count, hopefully it remains like that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,105 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Good to see a low death count, hopefully it remains like that.

    Death figures on weekends are rarely accurate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Dr Nina and the rest of the GPs are going to make a fortune on the vaccinations. They have negotiated a rate of €60 per person vaccinated. (All vaccines and syringes etc supplied to them free, of course).
    That's a disgrace.

    It's naked profiteering is what it is


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Good to see a low death count, hopefully it remains like that.

    How's your brother getting on with the Ivermectin. Seems they haven't ruled it out just yet. Heat well turn out to be right, but a tad premature.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,264 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Whoever is trained can give them, so could be GP, practise nurse etc.

    The main reason for the discrepancy in prices between here and UK is that our GPs are doing all the paperwork and scheduling.

    I see a local GPs car in the drive of the surgery today
    He never works on a Sunday so am presuming he is organising his lists and schedules etc . It takes a lot of pre organisation


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,872 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    How's your brother getting on with the Ivermectin. Seems they haven't ruled it out just yet. Heat well turn out to be right, but a tad premature.
    The Ivermectin treatment is currently in a clinical trial in Oxford.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Death figures on weekends are rarely accurate.

    They are rarely accurate any day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Last 5 Sunday's

    January 10th - 4842
    January 17th - 3231
    January 24th - 1910
    January 31st - 1414
    February 7th - 1024


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    It's naked profiteering is what it is

    I disagree. That is for two shots and all the admin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    I disagree. That is for two shots and all the admin.

    £12GBP or €13.80 over the border...perhaps they have less admin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    £12GBP or €13.80 over the border...perhaps they have less admin.

    Or that the wages of the nurses, admin etc are probably already covered under the NHS.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    That could be it. Still a hell of a difference. Do we not have nurses and admin employed by the HSE?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,425 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    £12GBP or €13.80 over the border...perhaps they have less admin.


    GBP 12.58 per dose in UK, = approx 14 euro per dose


    Here 25 dose + 25 dose + 10 for admin = 60 per person for two doses.


    I'm guessing the NHS does the "admin" in the UK, whereas it seems the HSE has decided to ask/get the GP practices to do the "admin".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Double the price is better than 4 times the price i guess


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 Cb12345


    Last 5 Sunday's

    January 10th - 4842
    January 17th - 3231
    January 24th - 1910
    January 31st - 1414
    February 7th - 1024
    Thats very encouraging. Approx 30% drop week on week over 5 weeks. Especially good this week as close contacts back being tested


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,845 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    So 60 euros per person here, about 100-200 million then. That's what happens when you have a shambolic health service that relies on private sector, for profit contractors for essential functions. It's also what happens when you leave it late to plan a mass vaccination rollout.

    100-200 million would have paid for a lot of mass vaccination centres, mobile units etc. and the staffing of same.

    Could be worse though, if the GPs had demanded 120 euro per person they'd likely have gotten it, they have the state over a barrel as they are the ones with the precious data on patients.

    As an aside, GPs are obviously not the cause of our dysfunctional health service but they are a contributory factor. Not available at weekends or outside of normal office hours, contributing to the yearly trolley crisis by referring people to A&E rather than deal with them and so that the GPs ass is covered.


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