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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #4232
    optogirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭optogirl


    alentejo wrote: »
    Some contributor on the Brendan O'Connor (medic I assume) suggesting that inter county travel wont happen in Ireland during summer!

    I think I may just go mad!!!!

    Oh christ. I am living for my one week by the Atlantic.


  • #4233
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    alentejo wrote: »
    Some contributor on the Brendan O'Connor (medic I assume) suggesting that inter county travel wont happen in Ireland during summer!

    I think I may just go mad!!!!

    Dr Nina Byrnes was the contributor- she is a GP - so I am not sure how much I would believe her opinion - and it is just that - opinion. She is singing from the same hymn sheet at Tony Holohan and that's understandable, but it doesnt mean it will happen.

    They also interviewed the CEO of Irish SME Association who believes mental health is on the ground, as are the hopes and potential livelihoods of hundreds of thousands small businesses in Ireland along with delayed diagnosis and trials for cancer. There is more to health than Covid. There will also be an end to the PUP. Things will have to open up and while I believe foreign travel will be almost zero this year, the island of Ireland should open up for domestic purposes. Our Covid numbers were miniscule last Summer.


  • #4234
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,264 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    optogirl wrote: »
    Oh christ. I am living for my one week by the Atlantic.

    It was a GP with an opinion , nothing more


  • #4235
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    alentejo wrote: »
    Some contributor on the Brendan O'Connor (medic I assume) suggesting that inter county travel wont happen in Ireland during summer!

    I think I may just go mad!!!!

    Anyone who believes people won't travel between counties in the summer doesn't understand humans


  • #4236
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    It was a GP with an opinion , nothing more

    And yet given airtime, like so many others with similar views, to help continue to push the lockdown agenda. Getting pretty sick of the Irish approach to this, led by NPHET and RTÉ, and once I’ve gone the week after next to sunnier climes, I don’t think I will be back in Ireland until this is over. Probably spend most of the rest of the year in the UK. Which saddens me immensely but want to be in a place that doesn’t push this down your throat every single day


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  • #4237
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    It was a GP with an opinion , nothing more

    Dr Nina and the rest of the GPs are going to make a fortune on the vaccinations. They have negotiated a rate of €60 per person vaccinated. (All vaccines and syringes etc supplied to them free, of course).


  • #4238
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Dr Nina and the rest of the GPs are going to make a fortune on the vaccinations. They have negotiated a rate of €60 per person vaccinated. (All vaccines and syringes etc supplied to them free, of course).

    That's a disgrace.


  • #4239
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Dr Nina and the rest of the GPs are going to make a fortune on the vaccinations. They have negotiated a rate of €60 per person vaccinated. (All vaccines and syringes etc supplied to them free, of course).

    The amount translates to €91 million euro in fees to GPs. The cost of PUP is in excess of €350 million a week. Vaccination is the only acceptable way out of this mess, the GP fees are a tiny cost in comparison to the economic damage the country is suffering.


  • #4240
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Weirdly, the most vaccinated country in the world, Israel, is declining at a slower rate than many other places, despite also still being in lockdown. The US is doing ok at vaccinating people with more than 36 million doses administered, but its too soon for that to be responsible for the drastic drop in cases (I think its over a 50% decline over the past 2 weeks now) and hospitalisations. Not many places are still under full restrictions, even California have been relaxing them the past couple of weeks. Some places are completely open for months and still seeing declines.

    Seasonality? The beginnings of herd immunity? Or maybe the new testing recommendations by the WHO? That wouldn't account for fewer hospitalisations though

    It very interesting I'm surprised it doesn't seem to get much airtime in the media in Ireland or the uk.
    It's big news in Poland


  • #4241
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Boggerman12 wrote: »
    There are times I wish the bond markets would suddenly start charging us massive interest rates to snap us as a nation out of this .

    +1000 let's snap out of it of this silliness, open up and have a meaningful Valentine's Day. We deserve it.


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  • #4242
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    The amount translates to €91 million euro in fees to GPs. The cost of PUP is in excess of €350 million a week. Vaccination is the only acceptable way out of this mess, the GP fees are a tiny cost in comparison to the economic damage the country is suffering.

    Everything you say is true. But it also true that €60 is far too much for the job. Consultants and doctors earn more in Ireland than any other EU country, and yet they still spend time telling us our health service is under resourced.


  • #4243
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,002 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    StevenToast wrote: »
    Oh great...lets have a meaningful paddys day

    One big plus to all of this pahlavah is the opportunity to positively change things like this....

    Relocate St Patricks Day from it's winter depths to June/July....perhaps even merge it with the 12th July celebrations 'up the road'.

    It was always a real bummer to compare the Republic's young children standing frozen on floats in almost zero temperatures with portly oul red faced Orangemen wearing four-cornered hankies on their heads in a sweltering field mid-July...:o

    One Politician did suggest cancelling Christmas,in favour of the Govt ordering 2 replacement Public Holidays around mid-summer,but as with many sensible proposals in Irish Public Life,it was lost in the long-grass.

    Bring back Better,as they say ....on the Mainland !! ;)


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • #4244
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Everything you say is true. But it also true that €60 is far too much for the job. Consultants and doctors earn more in Ireland than any other EU country, and yet they still spend time telling us our health service is under resourced.
    It's needs driven. This is no time to split hairs over the negotiations for savings of a few euro.


  • #4245
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Everything you say is true. But it also true that €60 is far too much for the job. Consultants and doctors earn more in Ireland than any other EU country, and yet they still spend time telling us our health service is under resourced.

    Isn't the €60 for two jabs?
    As for under resourced I would disagree, the problem is how the money is spent. Also the compensation culture in Ireland greatly increases the cost of the health service here. I could explain but it would derail the thread .


  • #4246
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Isn't the €60 for two jabs?
    As for under resourced I would disagree, the problem is how the money is spent. Also the compensation culture in Ireland greatly increases the cost of the health service here. I could explain but it would derail the thread .

    It is for 2 jabs, it is still a lot for a very quick process. I largely agree with your other points but the cost of medical negligence insurance in Ireland is only one part of the higher costs.


  • #4247
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    It is for 2 jabs, it is still a lot for a very quick process. I agree with your other points. :)

    60 euros for two jabs is fine.


  • #4248
    Wombatman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,349 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    A bit of light relief on a Sunday.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYmSAMcwXA8


  • #4249
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,002 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    60 euros for two jabs is fine.

    £12stg for two jabs up in Newry is a bit finer ?


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • #4250
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,693 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Everything you say is true. But it also true that €60 is far too much for the job. Consultants and doctors earn more in Ireland than any other EU country, and yet they still spend time telling us our health service is under resourced.

    I seen elsewhere UK GP’s are getting £12 per jab.


  • #4251
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Wombatman wrote: »
    A bit of light relief on a Sunday.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYmSAMcwXA8

    Great voices :)


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  • #4252
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,002 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Hellrazer wrote: »
    While its all quite positive theres one sentence from Tony Holohan that should have people up in arms and should have Tony on the Dole.

    They had a full year to prepare for this (this is what we were told lockdown Number 1 was for) yet here we are a year on and we`re still not robust enough to prevent a local transmission from an imported case.

    I honestly fear for this country if this is what we have managing our health service. Scary times ahead.
    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Everything you say is true. But it also true that €60 is far too much for the job. Consultants and doctors earn more in Ireland than any other EU country, and yet they still spend time telling us our health service is under resourced.

    Our overall Health spending is c 7.8% of our GDP,which puts Ireland someplace around mid-way in EU terms.

    There is certainly scope for querying exactly where much of this funding is being directed,with perhaps a closer focus on the "Emergency" spending undertaken by the HSE since last Feb...I delve into History for the relevant quotation...

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/just-leave-that-to-me-and-ray-burke-26162982.html
    On route, Mr Gogarty asked: ``Will we get a receipt for this?`` to which he said Mr Bailey replied: `` Will we fuchk!''.

    There, Mr Murphy produced his envelope containing £40,000. Mr Gogarty said Mr Bailey also produced an envelope which he assumed contained £40,000 but there ``could have been feathers in it''.

    For me,it's only a matter of time before some fresh faced young Accountant is given the task of reconciling the Covid Account,and I suspect the Gogarty/Bailey conversation will be recalled :)


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • #4253
    thebronze14
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    The_Brood wrote: »
    Idk how it is in other cities, but Dublin city center looks like an apocalyptic wasteland. Druggies flowing all over the streets, screaming, their dogs going wild, not a guard anywhere around...just total wasteland. Land of misery.
    And what does it look like now in lockdown?


  • #4254
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,500 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    alentejo wrote: »
    Some contributor on the Brendan O'Connor (medic I assume) suggesting that inter county travel wont happen in Ireland during summer!

    I think I may just go mad!!!!

    Anyone who actually believes that will be the case is a ****ing moron.


  • #4255
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    El Sueño wrote: »
    Anyone who actually believes that will be the case is a ****ing moron.

    Leo has a place booked in Sligo for the Summer, so he seems fairly confident of a holiday.
    I'd ignore any medic seeking their few minutes of fame particularly in an area that is nothing got to do with them.


  • #4256
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    AlekSmart wrote: »
    £12stg for two jabs up in Newry is a bit finer ?

    For sure.


  • #4257
    FishOnABike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,907 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    The_Brood wrote: »
    Idk how it is in other cities, but Dublin city center looks like an apocalyptic wasteland. Druggies flowing all over the streets, screaming, their dogs going wild, not a guard anywhere around...just total wasteland. Land of misery.

    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRX3d8UqVYV17pEGHbmfEHS9nf6c8jAdpogqohBoKXTdN5dED4-&s

    It's not that bad.


  • #4258
    jams100
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    El Sueño wrote: »
    Anyone who actually believes that will be the case is a ****ing moron.

    I would've agreed with you last year but these days I'm not so sure.
    Come the summer we'll be told we'll be rewarded by getting to go to another county and then we'll be blamed for something some next winter again. That cycle will just continue.

    Either way come two to three years time we'll be back to 700 people on trolleys. Sorry for being so negative this morning but i really don't see any long term change coming from this other than the working from home thing


  • #4259
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    60 euros for two jabs is fine.

    Given the seemingly large amount of people that don't realise they have high blood pressure, tacking on an auto blood pressure check would take a few extra seconds and perhaps provide a country wide benefit to many people who, otherwise, would not have attended a GP and not known of potential issues.

    Just an idea. I'm sure there are other quick health checks that the GP could do included in the cost to get some societal benefit out of it.


  • #4260
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Given the seemingly large amount of people that don't realise they have high blood pressure, tacking on an auto blood pressure check would take a few extra seconds and perhaps provide a country wide benefit to many people who, otherwise, would not have attended a GP and not known of potential issues.

    Just an idea. I'm sure there are other quick health checks that the GP could do included in the cost to get some societal benefit out of it.

    Good point. Many people will be going in to their GP for their jab and saying "By the way, Doctor....".


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  • #4261
    Ficheall
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    Roger_007 wrote: »
    What’s happening in India. It was predicted that India would be one of the worst hit countries but the latest figures suggest that the rate of new infections is vanishingly small and declining steadily. If our infection rate was the same as India we would have less than 5 cases per day.
    Have they achieved herd immunity?
    They also had almost linear growth followed by almost linear decline.. I'm not sure I'd trust their numbers.


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