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Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

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  • #1832
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    I'd say it was a hard pill to swallow seeing Bernies tweet.

    "Yeah but Trump" wont cover it this time.


  • #1833
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    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    I'd say it was a hard pill to swallow seeing Bernies tweet.

    To who?
    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    "Yeah but Trump" wont cover it this time.

    So if it doesn't cover it, you have a reply ready for my response above?


  • #1834
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    To who?

    Americans on Twitter


  • #1835
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,874 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Americans on Twitter

    What? :confused:


  • #1836
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    So, BOTH OF YOU were not upset that the GOP blocked raising the stimulus cheques from $600 to $2,000, but what's really grinding your gears is that some democrats want to target giving such $2,000 cheques to those who are very low income earners rather than also those who many would classify as middle income earners is that right?

    So, ARE EITHER OF YOU
    actually concerned about low income earners in the US or maybe, just maybe, is this another example of faux outrage from the both of you?

    IF YOU ARE upset by this, then you must actually instead primarily be upset with the GOP and not with the democrats as this proposal has been raised by Republicans in general and only by centrist Democrats. Are you therefore also upset with these Republicans who also have suggested this?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2021/02/02/biden-stimulus-checks/

    IF YOU ARE SO CONCERNED about low income earners, what is it about Biden's plan that the majority of Democrats approved and that the majority of Republicans rejected that you dislike?

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    In what way does the above demonstrate that Democrats are being tight with the purse strings as you say rather than the GOP?

    Why are you making it about the poster? AOC wrote the tweet and copied a tweet written by Bernie.


    Why not comment on their words?
    Look how you started each sentence. You are not posting in good faith.


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  • #1837
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,243 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    I'd say it was a hard pill to swallow seeing Bernies tweet.

    "Yeah but Trump" wont cover it this time.

    Maybe Biden should use twitter to childishly put down anyone who voices independent thought, perhaps threaten to primary them, or have goons threaten their offices?

    This might come as a shock to you, but the Democrats aren't a block of identically minded people. They are a spectrum of folk, some central, some more "left".

    They don't worship/live in fear of their leader.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #1838
    [Deleted User]
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    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Why are you making it about the poster? AOC wrote the tweet and copied a tweet written by Bernie.

    Why not comment on their words?
    Look how you started each sentence

    You don't even understand the tweets do you?

    As explained in my link, there are many Republicans who want to lower the threshold as well as a smaller number of Democrats who want to do likewise (as it should be as deciding the threshold for stimulus relief should not be a partisan issue).

    Sanders and AOC are upset that there are these smaller number of Democrats that want to lower this threshold.

    They are also, of course, as equally upset with the larger number of Republicans who want to do likewise.

    And, they are of course also upset that the GOP tried to stop raising the amount in these cheques in the first place.

    So, why have two Trumpists posted these tweets and articles? Only because they believe that there should not be disagreements with a party and that everyone should simply agree with whatever the president said and not have a backbone to voice their own opinion unlike the GOP under Trump.

    Not because they are concerned about low income earners. Otherwise, where are their posts citing concern about the GOP blocking the increase in the cheques?

    It's very clear that both of those posters thought that it was only Democrats rather than a larger number of Republicans who wanted to reduce the threshold and wanted to make another "gotcha!" post. Unfortunately, they did not do their research and have instead embarrassed themselves again.


  • #1839
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,886 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    You don't even understand the tweets do you?

    As explained in my link, there are many Republicans who want to lower the threshold as well as a smaller number of Democrats who want to do likewise (as it should be as deciding the threshold for stimulus relief should not be a partisan issue).

    Sanders and AOC are upset that there are these smaller number of Democrats that want to lower this threshold.

    They are also, of course, as equally upset with the larger number of Republicans who want to do likewise.

    And, they are of course also upset that the GOP tried to stop raising the amount in these cheques in the first place.

    So, why have two Trumpists posted these tweets and articles? Only because they believe that there should not be disagreements with a party and that everyone should simply agree with whatever the president said and not have a backbone to voice their own opinion unlike the GOP under Trump.

    Not because they are concerned about low income earners. Otherwise, where are their posts citing concern about the GOP blocking the increase in the cheques?

    It's very clear that both of those posters thought that it was only Democrats rather than a larger number of Republicans who wanted to reduce the threshold and wanted to make another "gotcha!" post. Unfortunately, they did not do their research and have instead embarrassed themselves again.

    An almost hourly occurence with them since Biden took over :D

    It's amazing how they see a headline or article and automatically smash the post button on here without actually reading and undertstanding exactly what it is they are posting.


  • #1840
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,133 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    I'd say it was a hard pill to swallow seeing Bernies tweet.

    "Yeah but Trump" wont cover it this time.

    Nah, most Democrats will understand the politics is more complex than a series of 3 word phrases chanted at a rally.


  • #1841
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    You don't even understand the tweets do you?

    As explained in my link, there are many Republicans who want to lower the threshold as well as a smaller number of Democrats who want to do likewise (as it should be as deciding the threshold for stimulus relief should not be a partisan issue).

    Sanders and AOC are upset that there are these smaller number of Democrats that want to lower this threshold.

    They are also, of course, as equally upset with the larger number of Republicans who want to do likewise.

    And, they are of course also upset that the GOP tried to stop raising the amount in these cheques in the first place.

    But do you not care about the low income earners in America?

    Do you agree with Sanders?

    So you think that Aoc and other far leftist voices will cause in fighting in the party?
    Will it be a constant thorn in Joe Biden's side?


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  • #1842
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,874 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    But do you not care about the low income earners in America?

    Do you agree with Sanders?

    So you think that Aoc and other far leftist voices will cause in fighting in the party?
    Will it be a constant thorn in Joe Biden's side?

    No, I agree with Sanders on this as do the majority of the Democratic party.

    As I stated, there are more people in the Republican party who do not agree with this compared to the Democratic party.

    So why did the Trumpist above state that "Dems will have to stop being so tight with the purse strings" in relation to these tweets? When it's in fact that case that there are more Republicans who want to lower the threshold than Democrats? When it's in fact the case the GOP blocked the increase in the cheques?

    If you are agreeing with what Sanders said, then you are agreeing with the Democratic party and not with the Republican party, you do realise that right? That based on your statement of "do you not care about the low income earners in America?", that you disagree with those large number of Republicans who want to lower the threshold, and that you also disagree with the GOP as a whole who tried to stop a raise in the cheques?


  • #1843
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    No, I agree with Sanders on this as do the majority of the Democratic party.

    As I stated, there are more people in the Republican party who do not agree with this compared to the Democratic party.

    So why did the Trumpist above state that "Dems will have to stop being so tight with the purse strings" in relation to these tweets? When it's in fact that case that there are more Republicans who want to lower the threshold than Democrats? When it's in fact the case the GOP blocked the increase in the cheques?

    I cant speak for someone else.

    Do you want to answer any of my other questions or just leave it at that that. It's up to you.


  • #1844
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,886 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    But do you not care about the low income earners in America?

    Do you agree with Sanders?

    So you think that Aoc and other far leftist voices will cause in fighting in the party?
    Will it be a constant thorn in Joe Biden's side?

    No matter how hard you try to spin this, the fact is the Democrats obviously do care about low income families a hell of a lot more than the previous regime did. Thats the last regime that you so vigorously defended in here on a daily basis.

    The fact AOC, Sanders and others are openly questioning the actions and decisions of the Dems is actually a good thing, it shows that there is nonfear of questioning the leader unlike the Republicans who were living in constant fear of Trump and his rage tweets.

    Put it this way, if AOC or Sanders were in the Republican Party and said what they have said 2 years ago they would now be unemployed and out of favour with the whole Rep party.


  • #1845
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

    I was asking the poster personally


  • #1846
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,874 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    I cant speak for someone else.

    Do you want to answer any of my other questions or just leave it at that that. It's up to you.

    I answered your question about Sanders. Do you agree with Sanders, i.e. do you agree with the Democratic party and disagree with the Republican party, or would prefer to continue not answering questions as you usually do?


  • #1847
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I answered your question about Sanders. Do you agree with Sanders, i.e. do you agree with the Democratic party and disagree with the Republican party, or would prefer to continue not answering questions as you usually do?

    One out of 4 you answered. Hence why I said do you want to answer the rest.
    If not just say so. No point in going back and forward here otherwise.


    Do you care about the low paid workers of America?

    Do you think that Aoc and other far leftist voices will cause in fighting in the party?

    Will it be a constant thorn in Joe Biden's side?


  • #1848
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,886 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    I was asking the poster personally

    Its a discussion site, you dont get to decide who replies to you.


  • #1849
    extra gravy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,318 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    One out of 4 you answered. Hence why I said do you want to answer the rest.
    If not just say so. No point in going back and forward here otherwise

    When are you going to answer questions? You're keen on everyone else doing so while you just dodge as usual.


  • #1850
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Its a discussion site, you dont get to decide who replies to you.

    You can answer the questions if you want. You are correct it is a discussion site. My bad.

    They are open to anyone to answer


  • #1851
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,874 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    But do you not care about the low income earners in America?

    As I said I agree with Sanders, I have already answered this question.
    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Do you agree with Sanders?

    I also answered this question.
    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    So you think that Aoc and other far leftist voices will cause in fighting in the party?
    Will it be a constant thorn in Joe Biden's side?

    I did not answer this question because it is in one of the dumbest I have ever been asked in this thread.

    No, disagreements within a party is healthy. Everyone grovelling at the knees and agreeing with their dear president and not voicing their own opinions is not healthy.

    Your turn to answer my questions.


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  • #1852
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,886 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    You can answer the questions if you want. You are correct it is a discussion site. My bad.

    They are open to anyone to answer

    Do you care about the low paid workers of America?

    I would like to see them get the help they rightfully deserve, especially after being shafted for the last 12 months

    Do you think that Aoc and other far leftist voices will cause in fighting in the party?

    infighting? No, but its good that they will be dissenting voices if the Dems are not up to scratch

    Will it be a constant thorn in Joe Biden's side?

    ◇b]Probably not but that will have to be seen.[/b]

    Care to answer questions yourself now?


  • #1853
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    As I said I agree with Sanders, I have already answered this question.



    I also answered this question.



    I did not answer this question because it is in one of the dumbest I have ever been asked in this thread.

    No, disagreements within a party is healthy. Everyone grovelling at the knees and agreeing with their dear president and not voicing their own opinions is not healthy.

    Your turn to answer my questions.

    Okay. I suppose you answered 2/4 , dismissed one and got a bit of a dig in on the last. Better than nothing I suppose.

    Yeah go ahead


  • #1854
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    But do you not care about the low income earners in America?

    Do you agree with Sanders?

    So you think that Aoc and other far leftist voices will cause in fighting in the party?
    Will it be a constant thorn in Joe Biden's side?
    I agree with Sanders and AOC on not lowering for those levels. They're also not far left. In relation to thresholds, families earning 300,000 can potentially receive the cheque so I'd totally favour that being looked at, that also looks likely to be what Biden targets. You seem to be annoyed at healthy political discussion in a party...


  • #1855
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Do you care about the low paid workers of America?

    I would like to see them get the help they rightfully deserve, especially after being shafted for the last 12 months

    Do you think that Aoc and other far leftist voices will cause in fighting in the party?

    infighting? No, but its good that they will be dissenting voices if the Dems are not up to scratch

    Will it be a constant thorn in Joe Biden's side?

    ◇b]Probably not but that will have to be seen.[/b]

    Care to answer questions yourself now?

    Those seem honest enough answers. A bit of a dig thrown in too but solid enough.

    Yeah go for it.
    *remember this is the Biden presidency discussion


  • #1856
    [Deleted User]
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    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Okay. I suppose you answered 2/4 , dismissed one and got a bit of a dig in on the last. Better than nothing I suppose.

    Yeah go ahead

    I already asked you several question, but I will repeat them for you if you wish?

    1) Do you agree with Sanders, i.e. do you disagree with those large number of Republicans?

    2) Do you believe that the GOP were wrong to block the increase in the cheques?

    3) Based on my information in this post, does the GOP or Biden care more about low income earners?


  • #1857
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,886 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Those seem honest enough answers. A bit of a dig thrown in too but solid enough.

    Yeah go for it.
    *remember this is the Biden presidency discussion

    Not a dig, a fact....you do remember the last lads right? Fought over every penny given to the low paid while giving massive tax breaks to billionaires and billions of dollars to the military.


  • #1858
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I already asked you several question, but I will repeat them for you if you wish?

    1) Do you agree with Sanders, i.e. do you disagree with those large number of Republicans?

    2) Do you believe that the GOP were wrong to block the increase in the cheques?

    3) Based on my information in this post, does the GOP or Biden care more about low income earners?

    1) Yes I agree with Sanders. I don't know how people who haven't been working are able to survive through no fault of their own. America is the richest country in the world so in reality throwing out supports should be a no brainer. And the supports should be meaningful to actually help people

    2) Definitely. Again money is no issue and the cheques go to everyone. It's not like only Democrat voters would receive money while everyone else misses out. Everyone gets something.

    3) I dont even have to look at the link to answer that one. Biden cares more about low earners.

    The problem is politics. Everything is politicised whether it be mask wearing, support cheques, race relations, police, military funding etc etc etc
    And both sides are guilty when it suits them for things to go a certain way. A country divided in two


  • #1859
    [Deleted User]
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    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    1) Yes I agree with Sanders. I don't know how people who haven't been working are able to survive through no fault of their own. America is the richest country in the world so in reality throwing out supports should be a no brainer. And the supports should be meaningful to actually help people

    2) Definitely. Again money is no issue and the cheques go to everyone. It's not like only Democrat voters would receive money while everyone else misses out. Everyone gets something.

    3) I dont even have to look at the link to answer that one. Biden cares more about low earners.

    The problem is politics. Everything is politicised whether it be mask wearing, support cheques, race relations, police, military funding etc etc etc
    And both sides are guilty when it suits them for things to go a certain way. A country divided in two

    So what people are you referencing in this post?

    And when did the Democracts politicise mask wearing?


  • #1860
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    The problem is politics. Everything is politicised whether it be mask wearing, support cheques, race relations, police, military funding etc etc etc
    And both sides are guilty when it suits them for things to go a certain way. A country divided in two

    Except it's a minority of the party that want to lower access for the cheques. Mask wearing was politicised by the previous president. In terms of the other issues you've listed, they would be political issues under any administration. Assignment of the budget is political, race relations is a political issue in addition to being societal.

    Also stimulus cheques aren't uniquely political to the US. PUP payments are a constant discussion here. Do you think economic measures such as the New Deal wasn't a political issue in the thirties?


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  • #1861
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    So what people are you referencing in this post?

    And when did the Democracts politicise mask wearing?

    Unemployed from the pandemic people.

    The Democrats didn't but it's an example of something that has because politicised in America. Trump taking his mask off on the balcony after coming out of hospital stands out. But it's one example of many. Throw in healthcare, gun rights or control etc. So many topics that either side wont budge on and have become so engrained


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