Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

Silentcorner · 07-02-2021 01:42AM

spookwoman wrote: »

Like some alternate reality out of the twilight zone in here

You are a bit late....it started last March!!!

Turtwig · 07-02-2021 01:44AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Perhaps you are correct. Covid is not comparable to a car crash.

Car crashes are dangerous to those fit to work

Imagine if the median age of death from car crashes was 83, the safety campaigns would not carry as much weight

What goods a median without a quantity behind it? How many deaths am I to imagine in total? 5? 10,? 500? 5000? 50000?

Covid isn't dangerous to those fit to work?
In California, Deaths are estimated at 20% to 40% higher than normally expected for the 18 - 65 age group that consists of essential workers.
Y.-H. Chen et al. Preprint at medRxiv https://doi.org/frx9; 2021

Even if the previous isn't true, I'm still not seeing any merit to your analogy or reasoning.

FintanMcluskey · 07-02-2021 01:49AM

spookwoman wrote: »

Like some alternate reality out of the twilight zone in here

No it’s actually reality, based on numbers.

We both know numbers can be manipulated to suit either argument

FintanMcluskey · 07-02-2021 01:53AM

Turtwig wrote: »

What goods a median without a quantity behind it? How many deaths am I to imagine in total? 5? 10,? 500? 5000? 50000?

Covid isn't dangerous to those fit to work?
In California, Deaths are estimated at 20% to 40% higher than normally expected for the 18 - 65 age group that consists of essential workers.
Y.-H. Chen et al. Preprint at medRxiv https://doi.org/frx9; 2021

Even if the previous isn't true, I'm still not seeing any merit to your analogy or reasoning.

The link you have had to search the globe to find has now referenced workers from BAME origins.

A demographic who are discriminately more likely to suffer severe covid due to underlying conditions

It doesn’t support your point though

Turtwig · 07-02-2021 01:54AM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Unlike cancer, heart disease, mental health issues...

And pray tell me how does a health service service these conditions when they're overwhelmed by another? The desirable nurse to patient ratio in an ICU was 1:1 care. That grew to 1:6 in the UK. Quality of care for ALL patients gets reduced as result.

When you have a doctor or nurse treating one patient for any condition that's time they can't spend treating another patient. When your health service has to rejig staff to treat just one condition due to sheer immediate demand all other services suffer. This last wave let grow to the size it did has seriously fcked non covid health care and there will be long term repercussions because of it.

Turtwig · 07-02-2021 01:58AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The link you have had to search the globe to find has now referenced workers from BAME origins.

A demographic who are discriminately more likely to suffer severe covid due to underlying conditions

It doesn’t support your point though

The link I had to search the globe to find? Why are you stating this.
Could I have an apology for this patronising remark.

I disagree about your BAME claim but that's a whole other discussion.

How many car crash deaths with a median age 83 are we supposed to imagine? This is what I'd like to keep our focus on.

Silentcorner · 07-02-2021 02:01AM

Turtwig wrote: »

And pray tell me how does a health service service these conditions when they're overwhelmed by another? The desirable nurse to patient ratio in an ICU was 1:1 care. That grew to 1:6 in the UK. Quality of care for ALL patients gets reduced as result.

When you have a doctor or nurse treating one patient for any condition that's time they can't spend treating another patient. When your health service has to rejig staff to treat just one condition due to sheer immediate demand all other services suffer. This last wave let grow to the size it did has seriously fcked non covid health care and there will be long term repercussions because of it.

Overwhelmed? They are always overwhelmed, this past 12 months they been "overwhelmed" 12 weeks out of 52!

Step back from the hysteria....what steps are being taken to make sure that is doesn't happen in the next covid/flu surge that will hit us next winter....absolutely none!!!

Graham · 07-02-2021 02:04AM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Overwhelmed? They are always overwhelmed

So taking your statement at face value. A question

Do you think adding more patients into an 'always overwhelmed' health service is

a) helpful
b) not helpful

copeyhagen · 07-02-2021 02:04AM

Turtwig wrote: »

The link I had to search the globe to find? Why are you stating this.
Could I have an apology for this patronising remark.

I disagree about your BAME claim but that's a whole other discussion.

How many car crash deaths with a median age 83 are we supposed to imagine? This is what I'd like to keep our focus on.

posting an american link is a total waste of time.

FintanMcluskey · 07-02-2021 02:11AM

Turtwig wrote: »

The link I had to search the globe to find? Why are you stating this.
Could I have an apology for this patronising remark.

I disagree about your BAME claim but that's a whole other discussion.

How many car crash deaths with a median age 83 are we supposed to imagine? This is what I'd like to keep our focus on.

No I won’t apologise because you got offended during an adult debate.

Keeping our focus on the death rate from Covid vs road death’s will not support your argument.

Essentially, road deaths will effect a broader demographic than Covid will in Ireland, so may well cost similar life years.

Banning road traffic during Winter was never considered though, I’m not sure why

Silentcorner · 07-02-2021 02:13AM

Graham wrote: »

So taking your statement at face value. A question

Do you think adding more patients into an 'always overwhelmed' health service is

a) helpful
b) not helpful

Graham you are hilarious....honestly, you'd make a great civil servant.

A dysfunctional health system is a burden on all of us...every year we've had to witness trolley crises, visitor barring orders, only this time the ordinary citizen has had to sacrifice all or most civil liberties for 12 months at a massive, unprecedented, hugely damaging cost the long reaching effects are the likes of which we have never seen.

The cure is worse than the disease, only this time we are all expected to ignore the obvious and brutal effects of the impositions placed on all of us.

Graham · 07-02-2021 02:16AM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Graham you are hilarious....honestly, you'd make a great civil servant.

A dysfunctional health system is a burden on all of us...every year we've had to witness trolley crises, visitor barring orders, only this time the ordinary citizen has had to sacrifice all or most civil liberties for 12 months at a massive, unprecedented, hugely damaging cost the long reaching effects are the likes of which we have never seen.

The cure is worse than the disease, only this time we are all expected to ignore the obvious and brutal effects of the impositions placed on all of us.

It is interesting to note that even though you managed to get in a sly dig you didn't actually manage to answer what I thought would have been a fairly straightforward question.

Care to take another go?

Turtwig · 07-02-2021 02:19AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No I won’t apologise because you got offended during an adult debate.

Keeping our focus on the death rate from Covid vs road death’s will not support your argument.

Essentially, road deaths will effect a broader demographic than Covid will in Ireland, so may well cost similar life years.

Banning road traffic during Winter was never considered though, I’m not sure why

I didn't get offended. I just questioned your unnecessary remark. Do you think it was a relevant remark to constructive discussion?

You asked me to imagine a median age of road deaths over 84. But you have not asked me or us to imagine how many deaths?

How can we possibly understand your analogy without this.

spookwoman · 07-02-2021 02:23AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Perhaps you are correct. Covid is not comparable to a car crash.

Car crashes are dangerous to those fit to work

Imagine if the median age of death from car crashes was 83, the safety campaigns would not carry as much weight

Driving is 16-25 years (18) followed by those aged 66+ years (15).
66 may be pension age but plenty still working after they turn 66.

https://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Fatal%20Collision%20Stats/Provisional_Reviews_of_Fatal_Collisions/RSA%20Provisional%20Review%20of%20Fatalities%2031%20December%202017.pdf

FintanMcluskey · 07-02-2021 02:32AM

spookwoman wrote: »

Driving is 16-25 years (18) followed by those aged 66+ years (15).
66 may be pension age but plenty still working after they turn 66.

https://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Fatal%20Collision%20Stats/Provisional_Reviews_of_Fatal_Collisions/RSA%20Provisional%20Review%20of%20Fatalities%2031%20December%202017.pdf

That link simply serves to support the argument that’s been made here

Cars should have been mitigated from free access to road’s to prevent deaths and serious injury’s.

But for some reason it never happened

It would have been a cost effective measure to implement 24 hr public transport across the country

spookwoman · 07-02-2021 02:38AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

That link simply serves to support the argument that’s been made here

Cars should have been mitigated from road to prevent deaths and serious injury’s.

But for some reason it never happened

It would have been a cost effective measure to implement 24 hr public transport across the country

You also said "Car crashes are dangerous to those fit to work" People over the age of 66 also work

Also could say people aged 16-25 should not be allowed to drive or near a car

Cerveza · 07-02-2021 02:52AM

Time to relax to nationwide travel. Forget the 5k and 20k. The country is on its knees. We need to open up.

Windmill100000 · 07-02-2021 05:47AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Cancel culture is perhaps more evident during Covid than ever before.

If one doesn’t agree with something it never happened

The 'dead hodpitals' didn't happen.

Ted_YNWA · 07-02-2021 06:42AM

Mod

Can we move on from this car crash v COVID.

It has been made numerous times in the past & just goes nowhere.

Cork Lass · 07-02-2021 08:36AM

walus wrote: »

Out of the interest, what is consider an essential travel and what isn’t? For example is the summer visit to elderly parents deemed essential? Did not see mine for 2 years this summer and was wondering will my trip be 500 euro more expensive?

I don’t know. It’s very tough on people who can’t see family but I’m really talking about people who are simply going on holiday. If they are willing to pay the fine then they’re free to go. €500 isn’t enough of a deterrent.

Jim Gazebo · 07-02-2021 09:11AM

Way more checkpoints in cork city this weekend. Just no sign of any end for people. This 5km should have always been county wide over the winter months and should be increased asap.. it's sad.. cork city walking spots very crowded at weekends now...

CruelSummer · 07-02-2021 09:18AM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/no-one-in-government-has-appetite-to-push-back-against-holohan-1.4477368?mode=amp

Groundhog Day 2021. We’re here again with the Government not Governing and NPHET running the show with Covid as their only concern. Holohan throwing the vaccine campaign into chaos and the Government just stand idly by.
We’ve had this in the first lockdown, Oct/Nov and now.
Sinn Fein & opposition have destroyed any chance of it either by repeatedly stating ‘The Government went against Tony & NPHET’ at Christmas so the opposition are an even worse option.
After listening to Holohan at press conferences, I firmly believe he wants lockdown until the vaccines are administered. It’s his only idea & strategy.

beggars_bush · 07-02-2021 09:30AM

Jim Gazebo wrote: »

Way more checkpoints in cork city this weekend. Just no sign of any end for people. This 5km should have always been county wide over the winter months and should be increased asap.. it's sad.. cork city walking spots very crowded at weekends now...

I've driven across Connacht 3 times in 4 days as my dad was in hospital
Not one checkpoint

suicide_circus · 07-02-2021 09:34AM

CruelSummer wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/no-one-in-government-has-appetite-to-push-back-against-holohan-1.4477368?mode=amp

So the National Immunisation Advisory Committee said the AstraZeneca vaccine could and should be given to the over 70s but the God Emperor said no?

Hmob · 07-02-2021 09:38AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

So the National Immunisation Advisory Committee said the AstraZeneca vaccine could and should be given to the over 70s but the God Emperor said no?

He ruled it out completely

Was this a solo run against the NIAC ?

CruelSummer · 07-02-2021 09:39AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

So the National Immunisation Advisory Committee said the AstraZeneca vaccine could and should be given to the over 70s but the God Emperor said no?

Seems like that from this article. It also threw the vaccine rollout into chaos as GP’s will now have to be mobilised into mass centres to administer the mRNA vaccines instead of ringing their older patients to come into the surgery for the shot. Interesting that not one person on the committee was heard in relation to this, only Holohan.

kerrylad1 · 07-02-2021 09:41AM

Jim Gazebo wrote: »

Way more checkpoints in cork city this weekend. Just no sign of any end for people. This 5km should have always been county wide over the winter months and should be increased asap.. it's sad.. cork city walking spots very crowded at weekends now...

It is the same in limerick.With reguards to checkpoints.We were heading into the city centre yesterday,came to a checkpoint just outside the city.
Guards told us,(feeding the ducks)is not essential,turn around and go home.
We showed him our son's letter,(proving he is austic) and they said sorry,have a great day.
Could not have been nicer.
The city centre was dead tough.

Jim Gazebo · 07-02-2021 09:43AM

kerrylad1 wrote: »

It is the same in limerick.With reguards to checkpoints.We were heading into the city centre yesterday,came to a checkpoint just outside the city.
Guards told us,(feeding the ducks)is not essential,turn around and go home.
We showed him our son's letter,(proving he is austic) and they said sorry,have a great day.
Could not have been nicer.
The city centre was dead tough.

they are reasonable. I travel on essential work anyway but I spent a long time in traffic yesterday particularly coming into the city from the Dunkettle. People need space to breath. Looking across at the marina it was thronged with people.

Jim Gazebo · 07-02-2021 09:45AM

beggars_bush wrote: »

I've driven across Connacht 3 times in 4 days as my dad was in hospital
Not one checkpoint

Went cork to Limerick regularly before Christmas and met one checkpoint over the whole time.. you'd want to be causing some hassle to be getting fined but some people are afraid to move for being fined

SnuggyBear · 07-02-2021 10:00AM

Morning lads. How's everyone enjoying lockdown? How much more can we take

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Comments

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings