Waterford developments

Harry Palmr · 25-11-2020 12:17PM

The logic is actually, the more bins you provide the more litter is generated as people say well "I can just stick this here" and if it's full "I'll drop in just here" (about a foot away!), the fewer the bins the more likely people are to look after litter and take it home but that needs to be part of a wider programme of education and reminders.

hardybuck · 25-11-2020 12:29PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

The logic is actually, the more bins you provide the more litter is generated as people say well "I can just stick this here" and if it's full "I'll drop in just here" (about a foot away!), the fewer the bins the more likely people are to look after litter and take it home but that needs to be part of a wider programme of education and reminders.

Well whatever the cause, the area I live in (outside Waterford) is absolutely spotless - you just don't see dog litter, or really any other type of litter. Once you have a clean area it tends to be more noticeable when people make a mess - it's not socially acceptable.

On my regular 30 min walk I'll pass 4-5 bins. They're the solar powered compactors and have the advertising on the side which probably pays for them being emptied.

Contrast that to Waterford, I think there's only one bin on the entire stretch of the Dunmore Road and none at all on the Passage Road. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you won't see any public bin between Earlscourt and around by DLS College/St Joseph's and Benildus. I think there's one only on John's Hill. That's absolutely scandalous with the amount of people living there and using the space.

tonc76 · 25-11-2020 01:25PM

hardybuck wrote: »

I agree totally with this, but I think it's always been a problem. Definitely a lot more walking since Covid.

As a dog owner myself I think it's down to a lack of bins, and when you see it regularly lying around the place it becomes more socially acceptable to do it.

More dog sh!t on footpaths is down to dog owners not picking it up and disposing of it properly rather than the council not providing enough bins. Dog owners seem to be well able to pick it up when on Tramore beach which is ~4km long and aside from the Prom there are no bins.

hardybuck · 25-11-2020 01:49PM

tonc76 wrote: »

More dog sh!t on footpaths is down to dog owners not picking it up and disposing of it properly rather than the council not providing enough bins. Dog owners seem to be well able to pick it up when on Tramore beach which is ~4km long and aside from the Prom there are no bins.

Before we get further off topic you might confirm - you think that there's sufficient bins in town as it is and the Council shouldn't provide any more? I know you've to come back to me on another query too.

tonc76 · 25-11-2020 02:40PM

hardybuck wrote: »

Before we get further off topic you might confirm - you think that there's sufficient bins in town as it is and the Council shouldn't provide any more? I know you've to come back to me on another query too.

not lecturing you so should have stated "If one is walking a dog bring a bag ...."

A lot of people are abusing the system and filling street bins with domestic waste rather than pay for it to be taken away which is an additional cost that the council has to account for. The fact that there are not many bins around the town doesn't excuse people dropping litter or not picking up dog sh!t and the whole socially acceptable angle you mentioned earlier is a red herring too. If you don't have pride in where you live an extra bin here or there isn't going to stop you dropping litter etc

PTH2009 · 25-11-2020 03:45PM

https://www.wlrfm.com/2020/11/25/walk-of-fame-proposed-for-waterford/

A Waterford walk of fame and the guardian of the deise

What a future for us

BBM77 · 25-11-2020 03:56PM

hardybuck wrote: »

I agree totally with this, but I think it's always been a problem. Definitely a lot more walking since Covid.

As a dog owner myself I think it's down to a lack of bins, and when you see it regularly lying around the place it becomes more socially acceptable to do it.

Litter on streets is down to pig ignorant people. The number of bins would only have a minor affect. A bin not being within arms length when you have a bag of dog ****e or whatever is not a pass to throw in on the ground. Littering or not littering is a conscious action.

friendlyfun · 25-11-2020 04:12PM

An Taisce are seeking to overturn planning permission at the 450 million new cheese plant for Belview : https://waterford-news.ie/2020/11/25/an-taisce-seeks-to-overturn-planning-permission-for-belview-cheese-plant/

Harry Palmr · 25-11-2020 04:16PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

https://www.wlrfm.com/2020/11/25/walk-of-fame-proposed-for-waterford/

A Waterford walk of fame and the guardian of the deise

What a future for us

Big Tom, Val Doonican, Gilbert O'Sullivan, Hal Roach, John O'Shea, John Tracey, Sean Kelly :pac: Thomas Francis Meagher, William Vincent Wallace, Robert Boyle and of course Carrie Crowley

friendlyfun · 25-11-2020 04:48PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Big Tom, Val Doonican, Gilbert O'Sullivan, Hal Roach, John O'Shea, John Tracey, Sean Kelly :pac: Thomas Francis Meagher, William Vincent Wallace, Robert Boyle and of course Carrie Crowley

Keith Barry ðŸ˜

Dunmoreroader · 25-11-2020 06:48PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Big Tom, Val Doonican, Gilbert O'Sullivan, Hal Roach, John O'Shea, John Tracey, Sean Kelly :pac: Thomas Francis Meagher, William Vincent Wallace, Robert Boyle and of course Carrie Crowley

friendlyfun wrote: »

Keith Barry ðŸ˜

Howdo?

friendlyfun · 25-11-2020 07:19PM

Dunmoreroader wrote: »

Howdo?

Not even joking they should actually consider it

Harry Palmr · 28-11-2020 05:55PM

Some good news, the City budget passed without blood being spilt and with a significant tranche of fresh money from central government.

https://waterford-news.ie/2020/11/27/christmas-comes-early-as-bumper-e148m-budget-passed/

This is long overdue and welcome, you'd take your life in your hands at times round town.

A provision of €500,000 per annum over the next five years is being made for a footpath replacement programme. Added to this will be an additional €300,000 from the additional roads funding resulting in an overall programme of €800,000 per annum.

Muttley79 · 30-11-2020 08:00PM

https://twitter.com/CISireland/status/1333344536551190528?s=19
Great to see a development like this being invested to Waterford.

Harry Palmr · 20-01-2021 11:38PM

https://www.wlrfm.com/2021/01/20/plan-for-former-waterford-crystal-site-expected-in-the-spring/

Plan for former Waterford Crystal site expected in the Spring

A masterplan for the former Waterford Crystal site is expected to be unveiled in the springtime.

Some works have taken place to secure the old showrooms in the Ballybeg area.

Responding to questions from Cllr Donal Barry, Senior Planner with Waterford Council Liam McGree said there was positive engagement with the site owner Noel Frisby.

“The planning permission that Frisby’s have secured through the council is only just for the old showroom site at the end of the property.

“We’re working with them now to develop a masterplan for the development of the entire property. The work’s going very well on that and we hope to have something to bring back to council in the Springtime” he said.

friendlyfun · 03-02-2021 05:23PM

Another Café for where Alfie Hales in Arundel's Square is.

Wanderer78 · 03-02-2021 05:27PM

friendlyfun wrote: »

Another Café for where Alfie Hales in Arundel's Square is.

better than another pub i guess

friendlyfun · 03-02-2021 05:42PM

I dunno! We are swamped with Cafés in Waterford and let's hope it's not one of those big franchises

Wanderer78 · 03-02-2021 05:44PM

friendlyfun wrote: »

I dunno! We are swamped with Cafés in Waterford and let's hope it's not one of those big franchises

true, and theres a good chance it probably will be

Gavlor · 03-02-2021 05:45PM

Have a read of the first page of this thread.... Waterford is stuck in a time warp

Wanderer78 · 03-02-2021 05:51PM

Gavlor wrote: »

Have a read of the first page of this thread.... Waterford is stuck in a time warp

how so?

smellyoldboot · 03-02-2021 05:55PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

how so?

3 years down, maybe , possibly if we cross our fingers and legs and pray (to Allah maybe?) they might get started on the North Quays this year. Next year could be our year right?

Wanderer78 · 03-02-2021 05:58PM

smellyoldboot wrote: »

3 years down, maybe , possibly if we cross our fingers and legs and pray (to Allah maybe?) they might get started on the North Quays this year. Next year could be our year right?

heard allah is into the ould raping and pillaging so.... i believe its all steam ahead there?

Gavlor · 03-02-2021 08:06PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

how so?

In that nothing has happened for 3 years. Or 25 years prior to that.

Wanderer78 · 03-02-2021 08:13PM

Gavlor wrote: »

In that nothing has happened for 3 years. Or 25 years prior to that.

theres been a hell of a lot changes in waterford in the past 25 years

Gavlor · 03-02-2021 09:28PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

theres been a hell of a lot changes in waterford in the past 25 years

Nah nothing of significance relative to cork, limerick or Galway. A few government buildings, some cobblelock, a roof and Maritana gate.

03-02-2021 10:23PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

theres been a hell of a lot changes in waterford in the past 25 years

I personally do not see significent changes to Waterford!

The hospital perhaps but that has it's issues that still need to be addressed!

We've lost our port, our airport, many industries but we have gained

loads of barber shops, coffee shops and charity shops!

iseegirls · 04-02-2021 10:49AM

friendlyfun wrote: »

Another Café for where Alfie Hales in Arundel's Square is.

Just to be clear - it's being divided into two. 25% for a possible cafe/shop, and 75% for larger retail unit. The unit has being lying empty for nearly 5 years I'd say now.

hardybuck · 04-02-2021 11:22AM

I think Waterford planners can be accused of some fairly poor strategy over the last 30 odd years. Allowing so many houses to be built out on the Dunmore Road without a secondary school - that sort of thing.

However you also need people (i.e. you and me) who are willing to take on projects and invest money - be it in commercial ventures or in private developments. It seems as though places like Kings Channel and Ballinamona became the very pinnacle of Waterford architecture over the last 20 years. My eyes bleed every time I head out there.

If planners stopped allowing so many developments in places like Knockboy we might actually have some urban redevelopment and imaginative use of existing spaces. I think this is what Waterford is crying out for.

How cool would it be to see the old Gasworks site developed in the Waterside? That'd be a huge shot in the arm to Parnell Street and Johnstown. What about a mixed used development in the old Waterford Stanley site in Bilberry - that'd clean up the area around Bilberry and O'Connell St. You aren't going to pursue those projects if you can throw more houses into an empty field out in Knockboy.

The penny seems to have dropped with the Council, as the following link from November would suggest, hopefully it's not just hot air: https://waterford-news.ie/2020/11/18/new-plans-to-transform-city-centre/

Wanderer78 · 04-02-2021 11:26AM

hardybuck wrote: »

I think Waterford planners can be accused of some fairly poor strategy over the last 30 odd years. Allowing so many houses to be built out on the Dunmore Road without a secondary school - that sort of thing.

However you also need people (i.e. you and me) who are willing to take on projects and invest money - be it in commercial ventures or in private developments. It seems as though places like Kings Channel and Ballinamona became the very pinnacle of Waterford architecture over the last 20 years. My eyes bleed every time I head out there.

If planners stopped allowing so many developments in places like Knockboy we might actually have some urban redevelopment and imaginative use of existing spaces. I think this is what Waterford is crying out for.

How cool would it be to see the old Gasworks site developed in the Waterside? That'd be a huge shot in the arm to Parnell Street and Johnstown. What about a mixed used development in the old Waterford Stanley site in Bilberry - that'd clean up the area around Bilberry and O'Connell St. You aren't going to pursue those projects if you can throw more houses into an empty field out in Knockboy.

The penny seems to have dropped with the Council, as the following link from November would suggest, hopefully it's not just hot air: https://waterford-news.ie/2020/11/18/new-plans-to-transform-city-centre/

nature of the beast, building, particularly housing, is good, the wealth trickles down!

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