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Waterford developments

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,055 ✭✭✭gw80


    Hang on, so the place was like a ghost town and restaurants were booked out at the same time?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 477 ✭✭Valhalla90


    The city is undergoing huge change. Train station being relocated. The area around the Clock Tower is a construction site with the new bridge. I agree with the retail offering it is poor and lacks the big names. Hopefully this will change soon. Interesting times as we await the final planning designs from harcourt. Things are on the up. Waterford is also the fastest growing city population wise!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    Yes, and the same with Cork and I’m sure the other cities too. I’m just speaking about what exists, not what is planned - as what is planned (see Cork’s three skyscrapers) might never happen

    Absolutely nothing, I just wanted to share and thought this would be a relevant thread

    I meant the streets. There was a big crowd around (I think) High Street with a band playing, and a lot of people by the Apple Market with another band playing. And the car park was full. But in between those areas on the streets, it felt weirdly empty. Not like a Saturday night in Cork or Dublin

    Absolutely. Reading back, my post was more negative than I planned on it being, so I am sorry. I know there are huge plans between the university, airport and the North Docks. I’m just speaking though about the as-is. As an outsider looking in and visiting the city, while I definitely enjoyed my time there and have a lot of good stuff to say about the place, I was a little bored. Just pointing out the flaws I saw with the place too :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    Bring on the dancing girls? I was bored? Of all the complaints about Waterford I ever heard, to suggest it doesnt have a quantum of interesting buildings is very wide of the mark.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    Start at ST Saviours Dominican Church in Bridge Street, O'Connell Street...Jacob (Cream crackers) family home, Downes Pub, Garter Lane 1, Granary building in Hanover Street, Garter Lane 2 theatre , Meaghers Pub. Tullys Pub, Waterford Gallery of Art, Port of Waterford Building, Beech Tower and city walls , TH Doolans , J^K Walshs, St Patricks Chruch (oldest catholic urban church in Ireland), Barrondtrand STreet, RC Cathedral, first one built post reformation in Ireland, Blackfriars church. St Olaf's church, Franciscan Friary of 1834, Viking Triangle has Cof I cathedral, House of John Rberts which is occuied by the Fat Angel, Chairman's Arch, the new Irish Wake Museum which occupies the Gods mens House of 1485, Deanery and national silver museum, Medieval Museum and Choristers Hall, mayoral exhibition in Theatre Roal foyer, Greyfriars, Clock Museum, Jordans Pub,, Reginald's Tower, Reg Bar and city Wall, Munster bar Balieys New Street, Franciscan medieval ruins, Statue of Luke Wadding, Viking Interpretative house, Bishops Palace, City Wall and Black Arch, City Hall on Mall, 33 The Mall where national flag hung for frst time, Equestrian statue of TF Meagher, Sabai Thai house where TF Megaher was arrested for treason, Catherne Street..Kellys Garage of 1900..first garage in Ireland, Court House and Peoples Park, St Catherines Hall and Sunday school, Waterside and Johns Bridge (one of the oldest bridges in ireland) Watch Tower and walls in Railway Square, City Walls in Castle street etc. Otherwise, get the Waterford Walls app and follow their wall murals. Or the Waterford Civic Trust blue plaque trail. Is that enough?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭nomoedoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    Woodlands Hotel & Leisure Centre, Bodéga and one of the places in the food court on Great George's Street

    I think you are confused by what I said. I am talking about large scale, interesting, well detailed buildings, like Custom House in Dublin, the City Halls in Cork and Dublin, O'Connell Street and Dame Street in Dublin, Patrick Street in Cork, etc. Your list has some buildings like that, and maybe I should have been clearer. The vast majority though are bang average buildings you'd see in all Irish cities and probably most towns, i.e. nothing that stands out. Still, you went to the effort of typing them all out so the least I could do is repsond to each one:

    https://justpaste.it/c1qli

    I looked at all of the Waterford Murals and already mentioned them, they're great and a unique way of bringing people to parts of the city centre they would otherwise have no reason to go to. I don't particularly care about plaques



  • Registered Users Posts: 705 ✭✭✭bamayang


    I’ve never seen Waterford people so united in defence of the city!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    Im beginning to think you are just stirring? Waterford is not Dublin or Cork in terms of size or scale but has as much interesting stuff as Dublin pro rata and more than Cork in my view.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    I’m not stirring at all. I was just giving my opinion, and it got out of hand. Sorry for derailing the thread, I’ll leave now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,087 ✭✭✭spankmemunkey


    I wud say just stop putting your outsider constructive criticism views on here, youll only upset the locals!!😅 most people born and bred in waterford dont want to hear anyone critiquing their county boi no matter how much sense you make😅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    Really? No one has ever denied the deficits this area suffers from and people are happy to hear constructive criticism. That is obvious from posts over the years here. You are on this forum long enough, even if you are not from here, to honestly know and acknowledge that. The general tone of your contributions is miserable, whether or not you use Smiley emojis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,087 ✭✭✭spankmemunkey


    no i just think people who express any type of negative or criticism in attempt to point out where it could be better get completely rounded on and lambasted, the poster is expressing the positives and negatives he witnessed in waterford and hes not doin it to wind people up, hes cone back to try explain things from his point of view as an outsider looking in and hes been rounded on and jeered off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    OP must be a sensitive soul. He spent a couple of lines on positives and paragraphs on negatives. He offered an opinion, I dont agree with him and as a local I feel I am just as entitled to rebut his comments. Of course there are negatives and deficits in Waterford. No one ever denied that.We all see them, retail in the city centre being a case in point! You seem to think we should just roll over when some one makes negatve comments. That's not how life works and OP should perhaps learn how to tread softly on other peoples' homes! I tried to offer a coherent response, but OP didnt want that either. When I was first going away to work as a youngster my dad told me never to insult, even in banter, where a person was from, town, city, village or mud hut. Be it ever so humble etc. Unfortunately, Irish GAA driven parochialism seems to cater for and encourage those who feel otherwise.

    I dont know if you have access to the Irish Arts Review but a series of articles in its summer edition about Waterford city are highly complimentary. You might like to have a look.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,812 ✭✭✭Bards


    100%, and I bet if the shoe was on the other foot and someone posted a negative commentary from the OPs homestead it would not be taken as constructive criticism either... Do onto others as how you would like to be treated and the world would be a better place

    Edit :There's nothing to do here boi

    There's 2 x theatres, 2 x cinemas, 7 museums, lots of old world pubs, Waterford historic walls, Reginalds tower. The Greenway, comeragh mountains, beaches, fishing village of Dunmore East.. Yeah I agree nothing to do at all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭914


    We are all well aware of issues in Waterford, retail and the city centre being a ghost town after 6pm is two prime examples.

    What does the OP achieve by posting here? What impact does his post have on Waterford?

    Nothing.

    If I visited another town/city I don't think I would go and find that respective space on boards and post my positives and negatives.

    If I did I am looking to have three possible outcomes

    1. Tell the locals how great their town/city is as I just fell in love with the place

    2. Have a sly dig at their city/town and saying how my area is better than yours

    3. Look to have locals defend their area and point out attractions that I might have missed

    If the issue generally concerned the OP or me, then popping an email to the local council, tourism board would be a far better approach than doing it on boards.

    Christ one of OPs issues was the car parks on the Quays. I don't think anyone in Waterford ever celebrated this or was proud of the fact that we have a kilometre long car park on our waterfront, it's just stating the obvious.

    That would be like going into the Cork thread and saying "I can't believe the entrance into cork City is an old disused dock over looking the river, this area should be a parkland with lovely apartments and a marina"

    Obviously it should but all these things take time, money, vision and planning.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    This thread is about Waterford developments. Many here are agreed that Waterford has issues in terms of the 5.30pm exodus that happens in the evenings when the shops close.

    This is a product of planning decisions over the last 20-30 years which has enabled the unabated sprawl of residential developments further and further out beyond the ring roads while much of the urban centre has had issues in terms of dereliction and access (due to all the cars trying to drive in from the suburbs).

    I note that the Council got a €9m in Government funding this year to tackle the issues of dereliction and boost housing stock in the metropolitan area this year, and the only Council that got a higher grant was Dublin City Council. I'm pleased to see that much more residential stock will be part of the North Quays project also - and this is the kind of stuff that needs to happen for more life to be breathed into the city - particularly in terms of the night time economy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    I mostly agree, but as long as two storey semis are the desired property it has been hard to change. Council was left with little alternative as two storey housing estates of semis cannot be densified.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    There's a little bit of chicken and egg to it.

    You're absolutely right that the semi-detached houses in the subarbs have been more popular. However, it's the job of the Councils to zone land and stimulate growth in the right places.

    I think we can agree that there's been some progress in making parts of town more attractive in recent years, and they really need to drive that on further to make more parts of town 'lived spaces' and more attractive to would be residents.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    I'm sorry but what a stupid post. I'm a senstive soul? I gave my opinion, people didn't like it, so rather than waste time trying to change people's minds to my opinion (note I said opinion, not facts), I bowed out. I think you are the sensitive soul here. I need to tread softly on people's homes? So Waterford is immune to criticism, constructive or otherwise? I think you're a bit delusional saying that you tried to offer a coherent response and I didn't want it. On top of barely replying to me, I never once disgareed with you, just had a conversation. As we do on messaging boards

    So the Irish Arts Review are allowed to write positive opiniosn (which I also did), but I'm not allowed to have negative opionions? Noted. If this is the attitude everyone has in Waterford, the city will never thrive. Best of luck.

    You can criticise Cork all day every day for all I care. I visited Waterford for the first time, thought I would give my opinion on it as an outsider (as I like to know people's opinions on Cork). If you can't handle people's opinions on a messaging board, you might need to reconsider your membership on here. As for your list of things to do

    Cinema - why would I go to another city to go to the cinema?

    Theatre - fair enough

    Museums - I did them all, they're tiny and doable in two hours or less. This is an Irish (outside Dublin) problem, not a Waterford problem

    Pubs - Not unique in an Irish context as a domestic tourist, what would appeal me to visit another city for a pub? Also, I don't drink

    Historic walls - A wall?

    Reginalds tower - Did it in 10 minutes

    Greenway - A footpath? That isn't an attraction, or unique to Ireland. Extremely important for the south east and the city, but not a tourist attraction

    Mountains - not in the city

    Beaches - not in the city

    Dunmore East - not in the city I believe

    What does anyone achieve by posting their opinions on messaging boards? They're here to share our opinions. I visited the city for the first time and decided to share. If you're not interested, scroll on. Just because you don't want to do the same doesn't mean I shouldn't. I love reading reviews about Cork, from international and domestic tourists alike. I love showing people around and showing them the good and the bad. As for the car park. Great, the locals are against it, what does that change? It's still there. It's a comment I made agreeing with those against it. As for your comment on Cork, you are absoltuely correct and I hope that all happens, and if you have any other issues with Cork and ideas on how to improve them, I would love to hear them. And I'm being genuine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    I knew you would be back.

    Not sure if calling someone's post "stupid" complies with page rules but I'll forgive you as you're a langer?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    I'm sorry for following a conversation about me? If the only thing you got from my post is that calling posts stupid might breach the rules, then I'm not going to engage with you anymore. As for calling me a langer.. I'm not sure what the point of that was, but I hope it satisfied whatever need you have to try insult me because I had the audacity to give my opinion on a city I visited.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    The point is that if someone called me a blaa I would not mind. Its a description of origin and as for Langer, I worked in Cork city for a good while and lived on the North side and no one seemed to mind the usage. You're a sensitive soul as I said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    I couldn't care less that you called me a langer. You are a stranger on the internet, your opinion means nothing to me (like mine shouldn't to you). Anyway, I'm done with you. Good luck.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    Thanks for your kind words. I knew you would understand. We pass like ships in the night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,812 ✭✭✭Bards




  • Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭new92


    While only a short experience I'm grateful that the museums offer some very unique historical artefacts. Not for everyone, I know, but it's a proud collection. I would never recommend a visitor see the cinema (by the way did you see the the Omniplex?) That's really odd. The greenway is an attraction.

    I know that together, the Walls and Towers have potential for photo opportunities and an interesting tour experience. The council has never had a vision to lay the groundwork for such a thing, or if they did the budget simply couldn't stretch for it. The city lacks in fun and miscellaneous experiences. I'd love to see a museum of Illusions or a quirky out of the box building, even if its a dumb pastiche windmill with functional mill on the river, where you can pay to grind your corn. Arundel Square is harsh looking. It feels bare and deserted, the architecture lousy and incongruous. There's so much void. Empty spaces without anything or anyone to fill them.

    There's a total disconnect between Broad street and the museums. There's a void there. It could be a dense area of bars and restaurants all along High street and down Exchange (instead of a carpark) and Keyser. The shopping experience is dismal, it's not because of unit sizes, it's because we have no pull.

    What you experienced is all the city has to offer. Did you see the municipal art gallery? We have two Yeats paintings and a Paul Henry, I digress. I think what we have is good, and for people into that sort of thing Waterford is a fascinating destination. The crystal people, the art people and the history people. The local community is not as bitter as some on here. They are a wonderful and creative people. Waterford is the kind of place to visit at a certain time. When I recommend people to visit is for Spraoi. Our citys own Mardi Gras, a celebration of nothing and everything, as sacred as the Blaa I'd like to believe.

    Thanks for writing about your experience. Cork is lovely.

    Post edited by new92 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭nomoedoe


    The Greenway is a bit more than a footpath,why isn’t it a tourist attraction?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    NEW 92 makes a salient point

    "There's a total disconnect between Broad street and the museums. There's a void there. It could be a dense area of bars and restaurants all along High street and down Exchange (instead of a carpark) and Keyser. The shopping experience is dismal, it's not because of unit sizes, it's because we have no pull."

    What kind of pull are you talking about?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    I didn’t say you did. I was responding to this. “100%, and I bet if the shoe was on the other foot and someone posted a negative commentary from the OPs homestead it would not be taken as constructive criticism either... Do onto others as how you would like to be treated and the world would be a better place”

    Why would it be a tourist attraction for Irish tourists? The country has many greenways. To me it’s like saying the N20 is a tourist attraction



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,345 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    I'd say the Greenway section between Dungarvan and Kilmacthomas is a very nice section. The section around Waterford itself is nothing special though, albeit it's great to have it available.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    Greenway section between Carriganore and Kilmeaden along by Mount Congreve and the River Suir is ry beautful . I use it reguarly an dot attracts many locals and tourists.

    I had no dounbt that ypu would be back. Comparing the Waterford Greenway to the N20 . even in the kind of circular way you have done it, is gratuitously insulting. Are you being deiberate? Why should anyone in Waterford have to justify anything to you, which is what your object seems to be? The Greenway has been a huge success on any level I still think you are stirring.

    You remind me of a previous poster whose name eludes me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭nomoedoe


    From Bilberry to Carriganore is not great ,but as azimuth17 says the section from Carriganore to Kilmeadan is beautiful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭nomoedoe


    Yeah sounds like a previous poster from Waterford who used to be on here,no point even replying to them anymore it’s obvious now what they are up to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭914


    Fair enough, we are just different folks.

    As for what can locals do about the car parks on the Quays, feck all really. We can harp on about it to our political representatives and that is about it.

    Unfortunately the land is all privately owned, thankfully with the recent investment in the North Quays and sustainable transport bridge, a large number of these car parking spaces are being removed, you might have noticed the white barrier all near the clock tower, a new plaza it going to be developed there.

    Yes the town can be very quiet at night and the council have some what began to address this by running summer in the city.

    This is where a number of musical acts perform at various locations around the city, really enjoyable once the sun shines.

    Had you have came to Waterford a week or two prior you might have had the chance to experience this.

    A lot of our problems can steam from very poor political decisions (denying WIT of University status etc) and Waterford's dependency on the manufacturing industry over the years.

    It was only since the closing of the crystal that we realised we needed to sell ourselves and this is when the focus began to shift on tourism and thankfully year on year we see an increase in tourist numbers.

    I think to say the Greenway is only a path is a bit silly. Some of the views along the Greenway are fantastic which also allows you to access mount Congreve gardens or take a trip on the suir valley Railway.

    I for one would like to see you put both your positive and negative opinions in and email send it directly to Waterford Council or some councillor as it would strengthen Waterford's cause to keep improving on such matters.

    PS I think this thread should get back to the topic on hand for Waterford developments, maybe begin a new thread called Waterford reviews or something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    I completely understand about the car park. My post wasn’t a dig at Waterford people, it was just purely observations. And my N20 comment was out of hand, so I’m sorry for that. I used to use the one from Blackrock to Rochestown in Cork City for work, and while it’s beautiful, to me it was just functional, like a road. But not all greenways are the same, so sorry


    I would be more than happy to put my opinions into an email to councillors. I doubt it’ll make any difference, but I’ll share any replies


    I think the negatives of my post got focused on too much and I ran with them after, but I want to re-emphasise the positives. Waterford City Centre is SPOTLESS. It was like a movie set it was so pristine. It was so walkable and people friendly. Very well designed. The area around Viking Triangle especially. The large chess set is genius. The Waterford Walls are genius. As I said, they drag you out of the main city centre and bring you onto streets you’d never think to go on. Plus my boyfriend is a huge graffiti/public art fan, so we spent ages trying to find them and get photos. While they’re not really my thing, there is no denying some of them are incredible. Once the main road is taken off the river, or at least the car park, the riverside will possibly one of the best in Ireland. The river is HUGE. Kinsale in Cork is similar. Big car parks all around the river/seaside. Such a waste



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    did you by any chance get a warning from moderators about using the ‘L’ word……I once received a week ban I think for using it on another forum …😡



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    No.The context it was used in, is self explanatory and harmless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,087 ✭✭✭spankmemunkey


    I think to shut down someone's argument or opinion just takes away someone's right or freedom of speech, that sounds very dramatic but don't forget people leave their county and travel to experience different things and see different things and if they have an opinion on something they see they should be allowed to express that in an attempt to say how things could be better you only make things better by flagging these things, I am a critic of things in Waterford its not because I just want to sit back and say its sh't far from it, its just an attempt to say how it could be better.

    I think if you've lived in Waterford all you life you have a more insular view and the responses seem to be just hurt feelings or a defensive thing its an observation made by people who see things with different eyes.

    If you go to a Hotel or a resort and you don't like it or it doesn't live up to the hype you make your own judgement and decide not to go there again and you have your reasons, some of which you may express on Tripadvisor or the like and some you may express and a forum like this, that said it doesn't mean people will like what they hear.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,881 ✭✭✭BBM77


    Strange bloody post. People in Waterford have raised here and elsewhere the issue of city centre shopping not being up to the standard you’d expect for somewhere with Waterford’s population. Also, they frequently raise dissatisfaction with the Quay’s being a carpark. Plus, access issues to the city centre. So how you can talk about an insular view is beyond me.

    Also, if someone is going to write a review type post on a thread about Waterford developments and say things like all the restaurants were booked out but the city was dead! They can only expect a what the hell are you on about response. It is not shutting anyone's argument or opinion down, its they are making no sense or are trolling.

    The argument can just as equally be made to Waterford people like you in that you are too quick to find faults and say Waterford has particular issues. Only seeing the problem’s that in reality are just issues you would get anywhere.

    Post edited by BBM77 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,087 ✭✭✭spankmemunkey


    no im not only seeing the problems, i will say the point of a chat room is to express opinions, argue for and against etc, but some of the responses just seem to be defensive for the sake of being defensive, its good to see or hear other peoples opinions, but on the positive i do think Waterford in the last few years is a very very clean city and county, i do think some of the pavements in the city could do with a decent power wash but thats nit picking. next time i post a negative i will make sure i post a positive with that point. then again i might just not bother and chime in now and then when people are saying how great the place is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 477 ✭✭Valhalla90


    Can we get back on topic! Any news on developments? Anything?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    I had an appointment in Primary Health Care building on John's Hill this morning. Major refurbishment of old St Otteran's buildings underway by Nevin Contractors. Great to see beautiful old buildings being brought back to life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,055 ✭✭✭gw80


    Anyone know what's happening with the Waterford retail park out butlerstown way, weren't decathlon supposed to be opening up there,I see posters up for the extension but still nothing happening,

    Is it objections?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 477 ✭✭Valhalla90


    As far as I know the developers were appealing some of the restrictions that were listed on what decathlon could sell from the unit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,881 ✭✭✭BBM77


    They also reapplied for the medical centre part of that was turned down the last time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,087 ✭✭✭spankmemunkey


    I saw that myself and its great to see such a beautiful building getting saved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,087 ✭✭✭spankmemunkey


    i know the group that owns/trades as lisduggan shopping centre put in objections.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,243 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009




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