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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #3722
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,595 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Always_Running wrote: »
    3567 less cases this week compared to last, someone should tell both what plateauing means.

    Cases and hospital numbers continue to fall then I'll expect us to move into level 4 on March 5th.

    And close contacts now being tested, massive progress


  • #3723
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    How much of that was people coming home from abroad?

    and people living in Ireland are not to blame...they let them come into their houses. They went out among the community and spread it even if they did not have contact with someone who traveled.

    The virus needs people to spread, it was already in the community before people came home, people visiting etc exasperated an existing problem.


  • #3724
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Always_Running wrote: »
    3567 less cases this week compared to last, someone should tell both what plateauing means.

    Cases and hospital numbers continue to fall then I'll expect us to move into level 4 on March 5th.

    NPHET were on about cases plateauing on Monday so Martin and Varadkar are only parroting that

    Still yet they should know better but sure they couldn't let anything be seen in a good light

    Just more doom and gloom then repeat


  • #3725
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,517 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    You wouldn't think it to listen to Govt. though.

    Remember, nearly a year ago, it was about flattening the curve? To 'live with covid' iirc? Now they aren't telling anyone what the goal is. Is it stamping out hospitalisations? Stamping out all deaths? News today says Astra vaccine even stops transmission effectively. All the other vaccines coming on stream. Yet we can't even get a sense that it will be alright by the 2nd half of the year. Why not!

    Plans change. Not ideal but not a surprise.

    I think we will see some actual commitments when the vaccine supply lines firm up and increase. Can't really make any concrete statements now with the supply all over the place. Once Pfizer and AZ get their production sorted and start delivering six figure shipments instead of 4 on a good day then we should see a big change in a relatively short time.

    Remember, we are planning on vaccinating 250k people a week. Last month we had gotten a little over 200k doses, supply lines are ****e. We are still planning on 1.1 million doses in the first 3 months.


  • #3726
    maebee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,765 ✭✭✭maebee


    Chatting to a friend tonight, who lives in Kelowna in the wilds of North B.C. Canada, where life is pretty normal. She asked how we were, and I, for the first time since this crap began, said that were were feeling low and explained our restrictions. She was stunned as she is in daily contact with 3 other friends from Ireland and they were all ok.

    Her No. 1 friend in Co. Meath is living life as normal and visiting all of his siblings' households.

    Her No. 2 friend in Blanchardstown meets her 4 sisters a few times a week.

    Her No. 3 friend is a mixture of the above.


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  • #3727
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    maebee wrote: »
    Chatting to a friend tonight, who lives in Kelowna in the wilds of North B.C. Canada, where life is pretty normal. She asked how we were, and I, for the first time since this crap began, said that were were feeling low and explained our restrictions. She was stunned as she is in daily contact with 3 other friends from Ireland and they were all ok.

    Her No. 1 friend in Co. Meath is living life as normal and visiting all of his siblings' households.

    Her No. 2 friend in Blanchardstown meets her 4 sisters a few times a week.

    Her No. 3 friend is a mixture of the above.

    Tough reading that. Not a care in the world for them

    Nothing will change with some people and they only extend restrictions for those who are doing their best to stick to the guidelines


  • #3728
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,173 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    maebee wrote: »
    Chatting to a friend tonight, who lives in Kelowna in the wilds of North B.C. Canada, where life is pretty normal. She asked how we were, and I, for the first time since this crap began, said that were were feeling low and explained our restrictions. She was stunned as she is in daily contact with 3 other friends from Ireland and they were all ok.

    Her No. 1 friend in Co. Meath is living life as normal and visiting all of his siblings' households.

    Her No. 2 friend in Blanchardstown meets her 4 sisters a few times a week.

    Her No. 3 friend is a mixture of the above.

    Cool story.


  • #3729
    maebee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,765 ✭✭✭maebee


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Cool story.

    I don't know what you mean by "Cool story". I was just sharing my experience today regarding covid.


  • #3730
    Danno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    niallo27 wrote: »
    I don't know, last March seems an eternity away and if we are being realistic it's going be near the end of year before any bit of normality. I'm just a bit low tonight.

    Come March 1st I'm not adhering to restrictions with any great effort anymore. I'll respectfully wear a mask in a shop, etc... but I'll visit friends and family who want to meet up again. The 5km will be gone too. Enough of this ****.


  • #3731
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,703 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    I think the Government are slightly paralysed by fear this time around hence the really slow move to reopen.

    The December/January surge was caused by the following.

    1. Opening up too much too quick with too high an incidence of disease in the community
    2. Opening up hospitality too early with the virus getting a chance to spread indoors and point 3) adding to this.
    3. A mass of people arriving in from abroad, especially hotspots such as London, and insufficient following of quarantine protocols
    4. 3 weeks of growth in virus incidence before the whole country went and visited family on Xmas day.

    None of the above will apply this time around.

    Point 1 - we will be having a limited amount of reopening, we are trying to get back to Level 5 rather than glorified Level 2 as we had in December.

    Point 2 - hospitality is remaining closed, a huge source of community transmission

    Point 3 - no one is coming home in massive numbers, and Xmas level travel is not going to happen

    Point 4 - purely a Christmas related issue.

    The 5 and 7 day averages should start to drop below 1000 cases per day in the next 7-14 days. This is the level we were at in October when we went to Level 5 and schools and construction remained open with no major outbreaks.

    Regardless of when it will be, we need clarity from Government as to when schools and construction can reopen. If they can't provide a date, provide the epidemiological KPIs which will determine reopening (e.g. construction will reopen when all the following metrics fall below the limits outlined, 5 day case average of 800, 1000 in hospital, 170 in ICU).

    The uncertainty and lack of clarity as to what's informing decision making is driving people round the twist at the minute. I and others (quite a large number of us) want to know when we can expect to go back to work.


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  • #3732
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,021 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Danno wrote: »
    Come March 1st I'm not adhering to restrictions with any great effort anymore. I'll respectfully wear a mask in a shop, etc... but I'll visit friends and family who want to meet up again. The 5km will be gone too. Enough of this ****.

    Glad to know you are happy to put the health and wellbeing of everybody in potential jeopardy, to suit your own psychological wants and whims, another from the “ I have to see people “ brigade .... everybody thought like you we’ll be fûcked dot com... because people have in fact thought like you, people have died. these vaccines are starting but will be months in administering to everybody...


  • #3733
    JoChervil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    Strumms wrote: »
    Glad to know you are happy to put the health and wellbeing of everybody in potential jeopardy, to suit your own psychological wants and whims, another from the “ I have to see people “ brigade .... everybody thought like you we’ll be fûcked dot com... because people have in fact thought like you, people have died. these vaccines are starting but will be months in administering to everybody...

    I don't think it is all so black and white. Restrictions are only needed to flat the curve to help health system to cope.

    It must be a proper balance between suppressing it and living with it. The more we flatten the curve, the longer this situation will last. And we don't know how many people will die as a consequence of both actions.

    If we let virus run its course, there will be casualties. But if we suppress it and prolong it unnecessarily there is a possibility of even more victims. Because in this way we are also giving the virus time to mutate.

    I don't think anyone is wise enough to know what is the best course of action...


  • #3734
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    JoChervil wrote: »
    I don't think it is all so black and white. Restrictions are only needed to flat the curve to help health system to cope.

    It must be a proper balance between suppressing it and living with it. The more we flatten the curve, the longer this situation will last. And we don't know how many people will die as a consequence of both actions.

    If we let virus run its course, there will be casualties. But if we suppress it and prolong it unnecessarily there is a possibility of even more victims. Because in this way we are also giving the virus time to mutate.

    I don't think anyone is wise enough to know what is the best course of action...

    I think the logic "we should let it run it's course so that it doesn't mutate is false logic." It'll mutate anywhere it is spreading in large enough numbers to allow it to.

    The virus is only 1 year old. We don't know what'll happen year 2 or 3. Vaccinations will really help but it must be on a global scale otherwise forget about being able to prevent reimportation of a vaccine beating strain from some unvaccinated part of the world.


    edit: here's a video of how they do all of the sequencing. Industrial scale effort. Very interesting.

    https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1357107348100157441?s=20


  • #3735
    Del Griffith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,234 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    How much of that was people coming home from abroad?

    Less than 1% according to contact tracing.

    The travel thing is a total herring.


  • #3736
    Del Griffith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,234 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    Strumms wrote: »
    Glad to know you are happy to put the health and wellbeing of everybody in potential jeopardy, to suit your own psychological wants and whims, another from the “ I have to see people “ brigade .... everybody thought like you we’ll be fûcked dot com... because people have in fact thought like you, people have died. these vaccines are starting but will be months in administering to everybody...

    And if everyone thought like you we'd be locked down forever.

    People have been dying since the dawn of time and people will continue dying long after this vaccine roll out is complete (even of covid, since we're counting deaths of people past the age of average mortality as covid deaths).

    High time people took some sort of (reasonable) stand.

    For me once the vulnerable groups are vaccinated I'm done with all restrictions, not hanging around another year to vaccinate healthy people (that if they get it will only have mild or no symptoms at all anyway).


  • #3737
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Del Griffith wrote: »
    since we're counting deaths of people past the age of average mortality as covid deaths
    What are you proposing? That anyone who dies after the "average" age of death be counted as dying of old age? Because that is a huge amount of people.


  • #3738
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,267 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Del Griffith wrote:
    The travel thing is a total herring.

    Understandable why it's in place, as generally people do travel to meet others, but sometimes We don't, I just carry the 100 on me just encase


  • #3739
    Del Griffith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,234 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    Ficheall wrote: »
    What are you proposing? That anyone who dies after the "average" age of death be counted as dying of old age? Because that is a huge amount of people.

    Where did you get that from? They can be counted as whatever their death is caused by, including covid, no issues there.

    Stopping the global economy and life as we know it though.. because people that are well within the natural parameters of mortality well, do naturally die of something (like everyone does and will someday as unfortunate as that is), is another story.


  • #3740
    muddypaws
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭muddypaws


    I work as a delivery driver for a well known courier company and since Christmas I've noticed a huge increase in the number of customers that want to talk to me when I deliver. At a safe distance, but they are desperate to see someone from outside of their home and to chat. I feel so sorry for some of them, women at home with children, their partner is going out to work every day and they're home schooling. I'm sure there are Fathers in the same position. There is no break for parents, they can't meet up with friends, take the children to a soft play area to blow off steam. Here I am in work at 6am and I moan every morning when my alarm goes off but I do realise how lucky I am to be able to drive around gorgeous countryside every day and have that freedom.

    There is a positivity there though, the days are getting longer, flowers are poking through and yesterday I saw blossom on a tree. It was great to get the dogs out in daylight yesterday after work. Hopefully we can move forward in March.


  • #3741
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Del Griffith wrote: »
    Less than 1% according to contact tracing.

    The travel thing is a total herring.

    100% of the cases have originated from travel. The virus didn't start here.


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  • #3742
    Del Griffith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,234 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    100% of the cases have originated from travel. The virus didn't start here.

    Youre right - lock down the Wuhan wet market immediately, that'll stop the virus.


  • #3743
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,216 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    100% of the cases have originated from travel. The virus didn't start here.

    Tbh, I'm skeptical of some of the data the contact tracers are given. If someone got it from their mate who just returned from the UK or their neighbour over a cup of tea in their house is everyone going to be truly honest, I don't believe so.


  • #3744
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Mandatory hotel quarantine definitely doesn't work if you are a small island dependent on freight for imports. It's just not possible so we need to move on.

    https://twitter.com/JoshuaStokesITV/status/1356975403173371904?s=20


  • #3745
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Mandatory hotel quarantine definitely doesn't work if you are a small island dependent on freight for imports. It's just not possible so we need to move on.

    https://twitter.com/JoshuaStokesITV/status/1356975403173371904?s=20

    Absolutely correct. Good you recognised that an island territory which produces kippers and brass plates is not comparable with Ireland.


  • #3746
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Absolutely correct. Good you recognised that an island territory which produces kippers and brass plates is not comparable with Ireland.

    Yeah someone needs to tell the government not to do it asap. It clearly doesn't work. ;) Like who want's Kids to be able to go school and hospitals to function?

    Weirdos I say. Give me two weeks in Lanzarote anytime over those selfish demands.

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1357040275164659714?s=20


  • #3747
    OscarMIlde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    They were open during 1968 when the Hong Kong flu is estimated to have killed 80000 people in the UK. Difference is that there was no constant media intrusion, social or otherwise, into our lives, and so people just got on with things

    And how many people do you think would be killed by covid 19 in the UK if there were no restrictions? The death toll in the UK is incredibly high despite infection control measures such as mask wearing, social distancing and limiting non-essential travel.
    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


  • #3748
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Yeah someone needs to tell the government not to do it asap. It clearly doesn't work. ;) Like who want's Kids to be able to go school and hospitals to function?

    Weirdos I say. Give me two weeks in Lanzarote anytime over those selfish demands.

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1357040275164659714?s=20

    The case numbers are moving in the right direction. Great news. The vast majority of people are doing what they need to. We are moving to the point where things will start to open up. The travel thing right now is a sideshow and an unhelpful one.


  • #3749
    c68zapdsm5i1ru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭c68zapdsm5i1ru


    Del Griffith wrote: »
    Less than 1% according to contact tracing.

    The travel thing is a total herring.

    I don't think so. If someone travelled home for Christmas, didn't isolate properly and gave the virus to their brother who in turn gave it to a colleague who passed it on to their wife etc, only the first case would be officially recorded as due to travel when in fact one person would actually have een responsibile for several cases.


  • #3750
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    The case numbers are moving in the right direction. Great news. The vast majority of people are doing what they need to. We are moving to the point where things will start to open up. The travel thing right now is a sideshow and an unhelpful one.

    I think it is great that case numbers are going in the right direction but let's not minimise the massive sacrifices people are making to achieve this.
    • Schools not open for a huge amount of time.
    • People forgoing routine and screening hospital appointments.
    • Can't go more than 5 km.
    • Can't meet with family and friends.

    You may think it is unhelpful but this is the third such wave and every time we've opened up without mandatory hotel quarantine the cases have increased exponentially as the R number goes back above 1.

    You may find it unhelpful but I think a lot of people are quite adamant that this time the sacrifices shouldn't be in vain. Why would people expect a different outcome. It's clear the vaccine rollout won't be complete until end of this year at best.

    There's only so many times the government can say "How were we to know :rolleyes:"


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  • #3751
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Dawson Future Wisecrack wrote: »
    I don't think so. If someone travelled home for Christmas, didn't isolate properly and gave the virus to their brother who in turn gave it to a colleague who passed it on to their wife etc, only the first case would be officially recorded as due to travel when in fact one person would actually have een responsibile for several cases.

    People coming back for Christmas was never a good idea especially from the UK who have not had great control of the virus (and indeed had pubs open). Plus we know now that the UK variant was probably here for some weeks - the UK government was less than forthcoming on this.

    But the biggest cause was socialising and household mixing. I could see that and changed my behaviour accordingly. 7 weeks now without contact outside the family unit. But I am getting sick of it and sick of the disproportionate negativity.


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