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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #3662
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    I really don't see why the doctor who declares the person dead from Covid cannot contact the HSE directly on that day.


  • #3663
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    polesheep wrote: »
    I really don't see why the doctor who declares the person dead from Covid cannot contact the HSE directly on that day.

    It’s not the hse specifically, it’s the hspc. And cause of death is not always apparent as soon as someone is pronounced dead


  • #3664
    DraftDodger
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 284 ✭✭DraftDodger


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Can we have some degree of accuracy and perspective here.

    Individual daily case numbers do not matter, per se.

    What does matter is the 7-day rolling average - and that is declining precipitously over the past weeks.

    There is no need for all this doom and gloom; the figures are what you would expect them to be.

    When cases rise exponentially, they also fall exponentially - and the rate you see may seem slow, but from a long-term vantage point, the figures are very favorable indeed.

    What in gods name are you on about. 94 people died, that is soul destroying. Its reality not doom and gloom.


  • #3665
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It’s not the hse specifically, it’s the hspc. And cause of death is not always apparent as soon as someone is pronounced dead

    But it’s died with COVID not died of COVID. I don’t actually get why it takes so long to establish whether someone who died had tested positive at some stage


  • #3666
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,517 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    But it’s died with COVID not died of COVID. I don’t actually get why it takes so long to establish whether someone who died had tested positive at some stage

    Its a death where covid was a contributing factor. In some cases this is not immediately apparent.


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  • #3667
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    But it’s died with COVID not died of COVID. I don’t actually get why it takes so long to establish whether someone who died had tested positive at some stage

    Some people like to think we blindly bundle as many deaths as possible into the Covid bucket with out any attention paid to accuracy. Some people don’t have a clue


  • #3668
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Some people like to think we blindly bundle as many deaths as possible into the Covid bucket with out any attention paid to accuracy. Some people don’t have a clue

    Hardly an outrageous thought when the previous Taoiseach admitted as much.


  • #3669
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Can we have some degree of accuracy and perspective here.

    Individual daily case numbers do not matter, per se.

    What does matter is the 7-day rolling average - and that is declining precipitously over the past weeks.

    There is no need for all this doom and gloom; the figures are what you would expect them to be.

    When cases rise exponentially, they also fall exponentially - and the rate you see may seem slow, but from a long-term vantage point, the figures are very favorable indeed.

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  • #3670
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Waiting for the county numbers to be updated on the HUB says its up to date but still previous days numbers.


  • #3671
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/religious-order-overwhelmed-by-death-of-10-priests-in-covid-19-wave-1.4475305?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fireland%2Firish-news%2Freligious-order-overwhelmed-by-death-of-10-priests-in-covid-19-wave-1.4475305#.YBrpnYIqgws.twitter

    Spiritan Order loses 8 priests to COVID in January. Very sad, have heard a good few stories of convents/religious orders being decimated due to the age of the staff, pretty tragic given that these people would have spent their entire lives working and often living together.


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  • #3672
    Steve012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Steve012


    Hey folks, not to clear on this if anyone can help me greatly appreciated.

    My friends Mum is coming back from Spain (where she lives) next week. she has a house in Dublin too. Will she have to quarantine in a hotel when she comes back to Dublin ? She's an Irish national, not that means anything I guess.

    Any answers greatly appreciated.

    Steve


  • #3673
    Akabusi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    Steve012 wrote: »
    Hey folks, not to clear on this if anyone can help me greatly appreciated.

    My friends Mum is coming back from Spain (where she lives) next week. she has a house in Dublin too. Will she have to quarantine in a hotel when she comes back to Dublin ? She's an Irish national, not that means anything I guess.

    Any answers greatly appreciated.

    Steve

    She can go direct to her house and quarantine there. No hotels up and running yet for that.


  • #3674
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It’s not the hse specifically, it’s the hspc. And cause of death is not always apparent as soon as someone is pronounced dead

    Fair enough, but why can't the doctor who pronounces cause of death, even if after lab/autopsy inform the hspc? Why wait sometimes months for family to inform?


  • #3675
    alexonhisown
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭alexonhisown


    Steve012 wrote: »
    Hey folks, not to clear on this if anyone can help me greatly appreciated.

    My friends Mum is coming back from Spain (where she lives) next week. she has a house in Dublin too. Will she have to quarantine in a hotel when she comes back to Dublin ? She's an Irish national, not that means anything I guess.

    Any answers greatly appreciated.

    Steve

    Might also be a good idea if she has proof of spanish residence in case gardai think she is returning from holidays


  • #3676
    Steve012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Steve012


    Akabusi wrote: »
    She can go direct to her house and quarantine there. No hotels up and running yet for that.

    Thanks a mill!!


  • #3677
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Deleted User wrote: »
    That would be inaccurate, too - because the deaths did not happen over the past 24-hours.

    Some were in February, others in January, and even some from November.
    What about all the deaths that occurred today that won't be notified for another few weeks? They're still dead. Trying to insinuate deaths don't count because they weren't within the last 24 hours is disingenuous and scummy.


  • #3678
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Deleted User wrote: »
    That would be inaccurate, too - because the deaths did not happen over the past 24-hours.

    Some were in February, others in January, and even some from November.

    So where do we draw the line? You know next week you'll be saying the same thing. Even though right now deaths are being 'undercounted' compared with the rate of people actually dying of the virus as we speak, if we follow this logic , as next week those deaths that are happening now will only be later notified. It's all distraction and irrelevant, it's total number that matters and it's very high for January and February, there's no way around it.


  • #3679
    The_Brood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 838 ✭✭✭The_Brood


    DraftDodger wrote: »
    What in gods name are you on about. 94 people died, that is soul destroying. Its reality not doom and gloom.

    And preventable, if the government didn't put politics and borders above the people.


  • #3680
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,703 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Where on earth did he get this from?

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1357059151281745921?s=21

    The R0 at the minute in Ireland is around 0.5, in total.


  • #3681
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    marno21 wrote: »
    Where on earth did he get this from?

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1357059151281745921?s=21

    The R0 at the minute in Ireland is around 0.5, in total.

    I was thinking exactly the same


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  • #3682
    cjyid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 103 ✭✭cjyid


    marno21 wrote: »
    Where on earth did he get this from?

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1357059151281745921?s=21

    The R0 at the minute in Ireland is around 0.5, in total.


    HA. What an absolute loony.


  • #3683
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    marno21 wrote: »
    Where on earth did he get this from?

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1357059151281745921?s=21

    The R0 at the minute in Ireland is around 0.5, in total.

    ****ty strain ruining our perfect record!


  • #3684
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    marno21 wrote: »
    Where on earth did he get this from?

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1357059151281745921?s=21

    The R0 at the minute in Ireland is around 0.5, in total.

    Yes I'm sure Philip Nolan will have an update for us tomorrow about the numbers

    0.5 seems very high for the variant but I'm sure Martin was briefed about this

    The slower Martin decides to open up the more people will ignore restrictions about meeting up etc


  • #3685
    mcburns07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    marno21 wrote: »
    Where on earth did he get this from?

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1357059151281745921?s=21

    The R0 at the minute in Ireland is around 0.5, in total.

    I'd love to know where they get an estimate for how one particular strain impacts the overall R number.

    It's difficult enough to calculate the R value as it is without trying to calculate it for one strain when you only test a small % of samples to see what strain they are.


  • #3686
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    marno21 wrote: »
    Where on earth did he get this from?

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1357059151281745921?s=21

    The R0 at the minute in Ireland is around 0.5, in total.

    Yup was thinking the same myself. He would be in essence suggesting natural R of 0.2, thats just pure nonsense or wishful thinking.


  • #3687
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Yes I'm sure Philip Nolan will have an update for us tomorrow about the numbers

    45-minute boring Nolan lecture with self-assessment questions on the Maynooth student portal.


  • #3688
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Todays report minus the confirmed county numbers. Not updated on HUB

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  • #3689
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Yup was thinking the same myself. He would be in essence suggesting natural R of 0.2, thats just pure nonsense or wishful thinking.

    Yup six days ago R number between 0.4 and 0.7

    Martins 0.5 from the variant is him trying to cover his backside for a slow reopening imo


  • #3690
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    I'd imagine Martin was told the r number would be higher than the previous r number this time 6 months ago for the exact same set of social distancing and restrictions. He may even have conveyed this correctly to his parliamentary party. Gavan's reporting of it may have obfuscated the issue. Or Martin may have garbled it.

    Nevertheless, if the UK analysis is reliable the B.1.1.7 variant increases transmissiblity and that naturally pushes up the r number in less restrictrive settings. Suggesting schools, construction may not work out the same as they did last year. In other words, reopening these could push up R more than than them being open six months ago would have. That's what I imagine NPHET briefed him on.


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  • #3691
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 939 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Yup was thinking the same myself. He would be in essence suggesting natural R of 0.2, thats just pure nonsense or wishful thinking.

    In fairness he might be suggesting it adds 0.5 to the unmitigated R number. Severe restrictions would reduce the R for different variants but the 0.5 gap wouldn't be maintained under harsh restrictions. The gap would edge closer as restrictions increase and the R number lowers.


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