Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

03-02-2021 11:19AM

hamburgham wrote: »

Worth listening to Pat now. Taking no hostages with Stephen Donnelly

"NPHET is akin to a driver doing 50km/h on a motorway", Pat justifiably criticising the excessive caution. Kenny one of the few crusaders in the media who take no guff.

hamburgham · 03-02-2021 11:23AM

Deleted User wrote: »

"NPHET is akin to a driver doing 50km/h on a motorway", Pat justifiably criticising the excessive caution.

Dare we hope? Are the blinkers finally coming off Pat?

Annilihating Stephen and same with Gerry (can't remember surname but you know who I mean, one of the lunatic academics). Have to listen back to that again and enjoy every minute.

suicide_circus · 03-02-2021 11:28AM

Does anyone know why so few people in nursing homes have been vaccinated when the average covid death age is 85?

hynesie08 · 03-02-2021 11:38AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Does anyone know why so few people in nursing homes have been vaccinated when the average covid death age is 85?

Where are you hearing that so few have been vaccinated?

03-02-2021 11:41AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Does anyone know why so few people in nursing homes have been vaccinated when the average covid death age is 85?

Vaccines are not being rolled out in nursing homes with active outbreaks.

suicide_circus · 03-02-2021 11:42AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Vaccines are not being rolled out in nursing homes with active outbreaks.

Ah right

suicide_circus · 03-02-2021 11:43AM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Where are you hearing that so few have been vaccinated?

"HSE figures show that on January 13th, 7,925 vaccinations had been administered in long-term residential care facilities, while 69,378 had been given to healthcare workers"

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/covid-19-two-more-residents-die-at-royal-hospital-donnybrook-1.4473931?mode=amp

Multipass · 03-02-2021 11:43AM

I’m so worried about the noises coming from the universities at the moment. They’re seem to be planning to stay online next autumn term. No doubt there are staff that would love nothing more than to lecture from home forever. Young people are being thrown under the bus in all of this. This isolation and depersonalisation cannot continue much longer, it is already causing huge damage. Right now the universities are actually telling students in campus accommodation that they need to stay inside their bedrooms as much as possible, and wear masks in the communal kitchens and living areas of their own apartments! It’s insane, I’m really in despair at the insanity at this stage.

thebronze14 · 03-02-2021 11:45AM

Multipass wrote: »

I’m so worried about the noises coming from the universities at the moment. They’re seem to be planning to stay online next autumn term. No doubt there are staff that would love nothing more than to lecture from home forever. Young people are being thrown under the bus in all of this. This isolation and depersonalisation cannot continue much longer, it is already causing huge damage. Right now the universities are actually telling students on campus accommodation that they need to stay inside their bedrooms as much as possible, and wear masks in the communal kitchens and living areas of their own apartments! It’s insane, I’m really in despair at the insanity at this stage.

This is the group I have most sympathy for. College was the best 3 years of my life. Had the best craic, unforgettable days and nights and set me up for life as a functioning adult! They are missing out on all this and I really feel for them

suicide_circus · 03-02-2021 11:46AM

Multipass wrote: »

This isolation and depersonalisation cannot continue much longer

Oh but they can. Isolation and depersonalisation are a small price to pay. Plus, most people are better off WFH. The young and the low paid need to suck it up.

Hooked · 03-02-2021 11:58AM

thebronze14 wrote: »

This is the group I have most sympathy for. College was the best 3 years of my life. Had the best craic, unforgettable days and nights and set me up for life as a functioning adult! They are missing out on all this and I really feel for them

Especially considering they are the least likely to actually die from Covid.

The figure (page 25) is "less than 5" deaths out of nearly 190,000 cases were in under 25s.

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/epidemiologyofcovid-19inirelandweeklyreports/COVID-19%20Weekly%20Report_%20Week%203_%20Slidset_HPSC%20-%20Website.pdf

Boggles · 03-02-2021 12:01PM

Multipass wrote: »

I’m so worried about the noises coming from the universities at the moment. They’re seem to be planning to stay online next autumn term. No doubt there are staff that would love nothing more than to lecture from home forever. Young people are being thrown under the bus in all of this. This isolation and depersonalisation cannot continue much longer, it is already causing huge damage. Right now the universities are actually telling students in campus accommodation that they need to stay inside their bedrooms as much as possible, and wear masks in the communal kitchens and living areas of their own apartments! It’s insane, I’m really in despair at the insanity at this stage.

Partly I guess because you are getting upset over your own manufactured assumptions, which have no baring on reality.

I'd suggest maybe laying off that. Might do you good.

Multipass · 03-02-2021 12:14PM

Boggles wrote: »

Partly I guess because you are getting upset over your own manufactured assumptions, which have no baring on reality.

I'd suggest maybe laying off that. Might do you good.

Wrong, based what I’ve been told by 2 relatives who work in unis

Corby Trouser Press · 03-02-2021 12:20PM

Graham wrote: »

less people moving around = less virus moving around

It's literally that simple.

I presume you'll be driving to the shops at 20 kmph on your next visit so?

You'll reduce your chances of causing a fatal accident to near zero then.

Life really is that simple.

josip · 03-02-2021 12:25PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

"HSE figures show that on January 13th, 7,925 vaccinations had been administered in long-term residential care facilities, while 69,378 had been given to healthcare workers"

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/covid-19-two-more-residents-die-at-royal-hospital-donnybrook-1.4473931?mode=amp

Those figures relate to 3 weeks ago.
There is more up to date information here.

https://www2.hse.ie/screening-and-vaccinations/covid-19-vaccine/rollout-covid-19-vaccines-ireland.html

Boggles · 03-02-2021 12:29PM

Multipass wrote: »

Wrong, based what I’ve been told by 2 relatives who work in unis

So you are in desperation because of hearsay and loose talk.

My advice stands.

hamburgham · 03-02-2021 12:29PM

thebronze14 wrote: »

This is the group I have most sympathy for. College was the best 3 years of my life. Had the best craic, unforgettable days and nights and set me up for life as a functioning adult! They are missing out on all this and I really feel for them

Absolutely. They'll never get that back. Ok, so they get their academic qualification but it's so much more than that.

Kunta Kinte · 03-02-2021 12:31PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Talk about the king of the false equivalence.

The why and the circumstantial evidence in the case of Lance Armstrong was clear.

Now why do NPHET want to inflate the numbers, and why do the government want to suppress the economy? These are the questions that anyone raising these bizarre conspiracies refuse to answer

Because they know that they are spouting rubbish and have no answers.

Kunta Kinte · 03-02-2021 12:38PM

Boggles wrote: »

Thank Christ for the truth tellers.

Everyday on here exposing Tony and his coven storing up death announcements and fabricating strains.

We can't be long off now donning animal fur and storming the health ministry.

Rise up sheeple!!!

No no. You mean storming the Dail and Seanad chambers. After all that worked out well for the rioters in Washington last month............................Oh wait.:rolleyes:

Penfailed · 03-02-2021 12:42PM

raven41 wrote: »

The one statistic that gets least coverage is the median age (why not just say average)

There are three different types of 'average' - mean, mode and median. Typically, average is commonly used to mean 'mean' rather than median. That's why they use the term median. It avoids confusion...sometimes.

Kunta Kinte · 03-02-2021 12:46PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Did you mean to post this?

Because there is nobody on this thread pretending anything of the sort!

Nobody you say? Hmmmm....

Deleted User wrote: »

Funny how we went into lockdown based on models that showed huge numbers of deaths and here we are a year later desperately trying to show that there actually are some excess deaths.

Would be weird if we had a pandemic that didn’t kill anyone...

walus · 03-02-2021 12:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

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Now why do NPHET want to inflate the numbers, and why do the government want to suppress the economy? These are the questions that anyone raising these bizarre conspiracies refuse to answer

Well, no one is also asking how on earth the independent governments of many countries arrived at the same lockdown-until-vaccine strategy either. If they were truly independent with their own decision making capacity and freedom of choice, surely we would have seen more than just 1 or 2 strategies being implemented across the globe, right?

My take on this is that the government do not want to suppress the economy at all, but they have to do it because that is the strategy they subscribed to so that they can avail of cheap lending terms etc. Even Steve Wonder can see today that this strategy is not working and in normal circumstances an independent thinker would examine, reassess and adjust the strategy accordingly. This is not happening, why?

Our government forgot to pick up a 'How To' manual for rolling out this strategy as they were leaving Brussels in a hurry. And it shows. They have committed to do something but they have no idea how. It is all one giant experiment that is happening in front of our eyes and we all take part in it.

Politicians consciously or unconsciously first and foremost seek to remain at power. Their main goal is to maintain that status quo. They have no clue how to grow or stimulate the economy in the best of times, never mind now. Anybody who believes that this 'cheap' money that the governments are getting is being put into anything productive are fooling themselves.

ArthurDayne · 03-02-2021 12:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Talk about the king of the false equivalence.

The why and the circumstantial evidence in the case of Lance Armstrong was clear.

Now why do NPHET want to inflate the numbers, and why do the government want to suppress the economy? These are the questions that anyone raising these bizarre conspiracies refuse to answer

I agree that the conspiracy theories are not realistic or helpful, but I do think people should reflect on the fact that it does not take conspiracy for the government to act incompetently. Sometimes, career self-preservation drives politicians and state officials towards appeasing short-term concerns in order to avoid being targeted by the media and / or electorate. Right now, the handling of Covid (and more particularly, the management of case numbers) is more or less the one and only metric by which the government’s success is being measured. Therefore, that is the metric on which the government will focus almost single-mindedly.

So no, it’s not necessarily a conspiracy hatched in a dark room by hooded figures chanting in Latin, but it may not be entirely unreasonable to concur that the narrative around Covid is exerting a certain influence on the human nature of those in power — driving them towards a more career-selfish short term goal in the hope that one of either ‘Cross-Bridge-When-Get-There’ or ‘Kick-Can-Down-Road-So-Somebody-Else’s-Problem’ will apply.

Sometimes, rather than just outright dismissing things as conspiracy theories, it’s good to explore whether there may be a nucleus of reasonability to certain things that a person is saying, even if that nucleus is surrounded by stuff which seems totally unreasonable.

woodchuck · 03-02-2021 01:01PM

Does anyone know if there is talk of releasing a plan for reopening this year? The level system has been out the window for a long time, they just pick and choose from the levels as they please. Last year at least we had set dates when we knew certain aspects of society would be reopening.

Do we have any idea if something similar will happen this time around? Or are we just going to find everything out on short notice?

Silentcorner · 03-02-2021 01:07PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You have nothing apart from conjecture in other words

Here is some data on January deaths

https://twitter.com/seamuscoffey/status/1355139810063745029/photo/2

Well, to be fair, you have nothing but conjecture either, so confusing or misleading the info that is out there, yesterday you were full sure we have had a surge in excess deaths but you couldn't provide proof...I don't doubt January death figures are very high, but if Dec/Nov are low then that is to be expected.

WE do not yet know what those figures are so there is no point speculating, both of us are shooting in the dark.

growleaves · 03-02-2021 01:29PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Now why do NPHET want to inflate the numbers, and why do the government want to suppress the economy? These are the questions that anyone raising these bizarre conspiracies refuse to answer

I'm not here saying the restrictions are a conspiracy but 'suppressing the economy' is bad for whom exactly? It is - just is, this isn't a theory - leading to corporate consolidation of wealth across the globe, with powerful financial interests hoovering up assets.

Selectively shuttering aspects of the economy is funneling market share to big corporations and conglomerates. Amazon is being allowed to eat the competition alive, and this is a continuation of pre-pandemic policy insofar as they were already given all sorts of covert advantages (like exemption from sales tax in the State they started trading from.)

The connections between politicians and the large billionaire companies they favour is not something I have extensive knowledge of but it is a plausible 'reason' for selective economic disenfranchisement. The gov have also paid huge sums to the billionaire owners of private hospitals.

growleaves · 03-02-2021 01:31PM

ArthurDayne wrote: »

So no, it’s not necessarily a conspiracy hatched in a dark room by hooded figures chanting in Latin

I see what you're saying, they could be chanting in Aramaic?

Mr. Karate · 03-02-2021 01:39PM

woodchuck wrote: »

Does anyone know if there is talk of releasing a plan for reopening this year?

That would mean they have a plan to reopen. Doesn't seem like it at the moment. Saying stuff like "Christmas 2021 isn't looking good." barely 2 months into the year is a sign that we'll locked down for the majority of it.

JRant · 03-02-2021 01:42PM

woodchuck wrote: »

Does anyone know if there is talk of releasing a plan for reopening this year? The level system has been out the window for a long time, they just pick and choose from the levels as they please. Last year at least we had set dates when we knew certain aspects of society would be reopening.

Do we have any idea if something similar will happen this time around? Or are we just going to find everything out on short notice?

Journalists will know before we do. The like to let their partners in the media know the story long before it gets to the plebs.

As to the plan, well, one thing we know for certain is that the levels will be numbered 1-5. What those numbers mean is anyone's guess. Leo mentioned moving to level 4+1 in March. Now, don't even suggest that it could be said that's just level 5, no, it's definitely level 4+1. What we might see is moving to level 4+1 in March, 3.9 in April, 3.6 in May, 3.1 in June, 2+1 in July, 2.4 in August, 1.8 in September, and 0+1 for October onwards.

growleaves · 03-02-2021 01:43PM

JRant wrote: »

Journalists will know before we do. The like to let their partners in the media know the story long before it gets to the plebs.

As to the plan, well, one thing we know for certain is that the levels will be numbered 1-5. What those numbers mean is anyone's guess. Leo mentioned moving to level 4+1 in March. Now, don't even suggest that it could be said that's just level 5, no, it's definitely level 4+1. What we might see is moving to level 4+1 in March, 3.9 in April, 3.6 in May, 3.1 in June, 2+1 in July, 2.4 in August, 1.8 in September, and 0+1 for October onwards.

I anticipate a move from Level 4 to Level 2+2 in mid-April.

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