Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Earlier you stated that all the parties in the Oireachtas are a disgrace and yet you still urge people to vote for SF. What`s that all about?

It's the only weapon I see at the electorates disposal.... it might actually being about change and I am not talking about sf going into government I am talking about ffg doing some proper soul searching. Getting rid of the spineless weasel cowards that make up their parties and leaders. I can also perhaps see new political parties forking of this were to happen. Fg have neglected their core vote. Any new party that wasnt on the left, would be an option we dont currently have

Deleted User wrote: »

The mental health of this country is in a terrible place right now.

Not surprising at all to see big increases in anti depressants and mental health hospitals.

Half a million of our workforce have no job. Considering our employment level in 2019 was 2.3M... that is close to 25% out of work.

Financial hell is now a reality for those people. And to top it all off, we’ve removed every single social outlet possible from society.

We should be ashamed of what we have done.
Instead people are patting each other on the back because Covid is al that matters anymore.

Wait , they are going to realise the damage their actions have caused soon. They will be paying for it politically for years to come. Woth all their incompetence, this will be the few straws that break the camels back. Of course the misery and hardship inflicted on many hundreds of thousands and indeed the entire country in due course, is sad to see...

I am telling you , if there was a way the daily could vite anonymously, and gave the benefit of seeing another two or three years down the road and can see the full implications of this, they would take the 3000 deaths, would be far more palatable, than the alternative chosen. I understand letting it rip not an option, but why was so much of the economy shuttered enduring the summer with a handful of cases and no deaths some days?

If that wasnt " low enough " then, zero covid wouldn't be enough now! I'm telling g you,covid will be gone and they'll have us with massive restrictions , in anticipation of the next rising they crave!

Idbatterim wrote: »

It's the only weapon I see at the electorates disposal.... it might actually being about change and I am not talking about sf goj g into government I am talking about ffg doi g some proper mail searching. Getting rid of the spineless weasel cowards that make up their parties and leaders. I can also perhaps see new political parties forking of this were to happen. Fg gave neglected their core vote. Any new party that wasnt on the left, would be an option we dont currently have

Renua were supposed to be the great new party that would break the mould in Irish politics. And long before them the PDs made that claim as well. Things didn`t turn out too well for either of them in the long run did they?

Re: that student debate

The British upper class go to Eton and Harrow, then Cambridge and Oxford. As well as a few other places (London School of Economics etc.)

The Pol Sci students at these universities will be the MPs and Cabinet Ministers of tomorrow.

That's why I think its significant, since the legacy of lockdown will be debated for decades.

Like it or not, 'public health experts' are not philosopher-kings. They are empowered by politicians but could just as easily be disempowered. Though many people now perceive them as having a role that transcends politics that could change very quickly.

Boggles wrote: »

Well no, I think the one thing it proves given the rather vague information is the thing that you said science hasn't proved, you basically proved it for them with your anecdote.

Again where did this happen, have you a link to an article or study?

It is a first hand information from someone who works there and actually tested negative. What does it matter where it happened?

Idbatterim wrote: »

What do yiuntgibk of the genius ffg move to put people earning g eight a week or so before covid, working. On 350 a week to sit on their back side?

Maybe those earning a grand a week , made redundant, should get payments reflecting their contribution to the system. Far to fair and straightforward for the irish banana republic though...

They are ,those people would have been on the TWSS. I don’t really now what ur going at me for. U don’t seem to get I don’t support FG either. All the main parties in this country are as useless and bad as each other. That’s my point, there is no one worthwhile to vote for...

Deleted User wrote: »

Where was this projection? You have been asked multiple times. That fact that you wont share it makes me think it is yet another example of taking a single remark out of context and them applying that as being representative of all opposing views

Can you please stop misrepresenting me, please.

I have not been asked multiple times for anything, I explained myself and what I heard and saw on local radio and on TV3...I cannot provide links as they do not exist, neither show upload much content.

How can you take a projection that involves Mass Graves and Freezer trucks full of bodies out of context? He was insisting we go back to hard lockdown at the time.

Please, stop twisting and misrepresenting what was said it is very tiresome, and I can only conclude that you are simply incapable of honest dialogue if you persistently resort to it!

Deleted User wrote: »

Have we or have we not just had 800 excess deaths for January?

What was our total number of deaths in general for January and what is an average for that month from previous years?

Deleted User wrote: »

Have we or have we not just had 800 excess deaths for January? Did we not have significant restrictions in place in the months leading up to Christmas? Can you not see how one could mitigate the other somewhat, and if so, what may have happened if we remained at level 2 from September? We already have seen delays in Funerals due to backlogs

A long way from mass graves all the same, the backlogs may very well because of restrictions on capacity in funeral homes....we've averaged 10 deaths a day, across a nation of 5m people, anyone taking a person making those kinds of ridiculous projections seriously should probably ask themselves, "when do I start to question these experts"...what will it take.

By the way, not me or anyone is suggesting we have no restrictions, I don't know how many times that has to be said...it's the level 5 severe lockdowns that are not just extremely damaging, they aren't saving lives.

Why do I believe so -

The nearest country that has done it differently is Sweden, and given the variables involved in outcomes, they have done alright.

If you look at the US, there is very little difference in outcomes either for States who have gone down the light restrictions route.

In fact, there is not one single country or State that you can point to, considering the variables, that you could suggest definitively that severe lockdowns are the safest route, not one single country or State....and we are almost a year into this at this stage

Deleted User wrote: »

Funny how we went into lockdown based on models that showed huge numbers of deaths and here we are a year later desperately trying to show that there actually are some excess deaths...

Because we have believed in what the professor said back in March...

"The Minister for Health Simon Harris has said that he is taking seriously the advice of expert epidemiologist Professor Sam McConkey who predicted there could be between 80,000 and 120,000 deaths in Ireland from coronavirus.

Prof McConkey, the head of the department of international health and tropical medicine at the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland, told RTɒs This Week programme on Sunday that coronavirus “could be like the Spanish flu, the Irish Civil War and the 1929 stock market crash all at once”.

Shortly after we knew these highly (over)paid specialists were wrong, yet it seems that we continue to apply the measures based on their original predictions.

Seweryn wrote: »

Because we have believed in what the professor said back in March...

"The Minister for Health Simon Harris has said that he is taking seriously the advice of expert epidemiologist Professor Sam McConkey who predicted there could be between 80,000 and 120,000 deaths in Ireland from coronavirus.

Prof McConkey, the head of the department of international health and tropical medicine at the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland, told RTɒs This Week programme on Sunday that coronavirus “could be like the Spanish flu, the Irish Civil War and the 1929 stock market crash all at once”.

Shortly after we knew these highly (over)paid specialists were wrong, yet it seems that we continue to apply the measures based on their original predictions.

can i just ask what the spanish flu civil war and 1929 wall street crash all have in common for him to make that statement in the first place? McConkey shouldn't be let on air he's borderline nutty professor

Deleted User wrote: »

In early March, it was not known that the IFR was closer to 0.6% than 3%. But these type of projections were still flagged as worst case.

But we haven’t recalibrated the mitigation measures that were initially mandated to prevent transmission of a disease thought to be 5 times more deadly than it actually is.