Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

ypres5 · 01-02-2021 10:38AM

acequion wrote: »

I'm completely with you there. Hate is a strong word but it also sums up my feelings for this dreadful Govt.

MM was raging at Leader's questions the other day. All of it bruised ego as he had been lambasted for his meaningful Xmas debacle. Nothing more dangerous than a little man with a bruised ego. And that's the essence of a lot of politicians. Little people with big egos. He was telling his backbenchers that they'd better not be coming after the 5th March pleading for different sectors, that he's not a Taoiseach of half measures and something about a long suppression. And people going on holidays have to be stopped. End of. I just find such talk beyond incredible. Do people have no rights or liberties anymore? Apparently not. My heart really goes out to the thousands whose concerns are completely discarded in all this, their livelihoods, businesses, futures.

Dark times indeed.

listening to martin going on his little tirades the past few days trying to convince us he's tough is like watching a meek, stressed out substitute teacher trying to regain control of a classroom. the mans about as imposing as a chihuahua

Boggles · 01-02-2021 10:39AM

ypres5 wrote: »

nope nothing to see here our hse is running perfectly. that doctor is clearly just some 5g crank nutcase. there's people on here who just seem to defend the hse and government blindly to the hilt to the point of irrationality

Did you even read the headline?

Richard Hillman · 01-02-2021 10:40AM

80% of over 80s have been vaccinated in the UK (and that was 4 days ago). The UK should be ready to go and open up in a week or 2. How many of our over 80s have been vaccinated?

The over 80s plus very vulnerable groups are the only ones that matter. The rest of us can suck it up with a very bad dose of flu for a few days if need be. Micheal Martin is talking about March still having large restrictions. He can jog on if the over 80s are vaccinated.

Tork · 01-02-2021 10:43AM

The people I know who have died from this were over 70, not 80.

Silentcorner · 01-02-2021 10:43AM

Tork wrote: »

The people I know who have died from this were over 70, not 80.

The people I know who committed suicide from this were under 60.

Idbatterim · 01-02-2021 10:44AM

The teaching scenario here is another obscene farce. Get the teachers vaccinated, have them high up the priority list, like they have done in other countries. Of course, that isnt th e case in this banana republic....

https://www.irishtimes.com/1.4471095

ypres5 · 01-02-2021 10:45AM

Boggles wrote: »

Did you even read the headline?

yes i did did you?

Malcomex · 01-02-2021 10:45AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

80% of over 80s have been vaccinated in the UK (and that was 4 days ago). The UK should be ready to go and open up in a week or 2. How many of our over 80s have been vaccinated?

The over 80s plus very vulnerable groups are the only ones that matter. The rest of us can suck it up with a very bad dose of flu for a few days if need be. Micheal Martin is talking about March still having large restrictions. He can jog on if the over 80s are vaccinated.

Don't think that's correct

Restrictions can't be lifted that quickly

Boggles · 01-02-2021 10:46AM

ypres5 wrote: »

yes i did did you?

Yes there is a clue in it.

agoodpunt · 01-02-2021 10:49AM

demonstrations around european capitals on restrictions tipping up a ban on non essential travel is a step to far its potential to push many into poverty is now to big a price.
Disasterous handing of the vaccines roll out in europe hailed as the magic bullit will fuel more decent

ypres5 · 01-02-2021 10:51AM

Boggles wrote: »

Yes there is a clue in it.

could you drop the smart arse routine and say what youre saying please

Kunta Kinte · 01-02-2021 10:52AM

Malcomex wrote: »

Don't think that's correct

Restrictions can't be lifted that quickly

They won`t be lifted in the UK anytime soon. Utter nonsense to claim otherwise.

Tork · 01-02-2021 10:53AM

Silentcorner wrote: »

The people I know who committed suicide from this were under 60.

I was making a factual point that people over 70 are vulnerable too. There's no need to turn this into a pissing contest

Kunta Kinte · 01-02-2021 11:04AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

Yeah, the problem is all of those in the dual are appalling and clones of themselves literally eoukdbt matter who is in government at the moment. The only decent one I respected, Lucinda Creighton who had an ounce of integrity, left fg on an issue of moral compass. Then you have that weasel slimy tanaiste, schmoozing up to everyone , shudder! Climbing up his greasy poll...

Serious situation for many of the near two nmillion workers he claimed to represent and he is offmaking funny speech with mean girl quotes in them. Great movie, but disrespectful to be quoted from, by the likes of that failure ...

Nothing like a good old anti government rant on a Monday morning is there? So taking into account all this vitriol how come you voted for FG in the recent past or claimed to anyway?

Boggles · 01-02-2021 11:04AM

Tork wrote: »

I was making a factual point that people over 70 are vulnerable too. That's no need to turn this into a pissing contest

People pretending to know the reasons why some unfortunates decide to take their own lives to bolster a false narrative is beyond crass.

Kunta Kinte · 01-02-2021 11:07AM

agoodpunt wrote: »

demonstrations around european capitals on restrictions tipping up a ban on non essential travel is a step to far its potential to push many into poverty is now to big a price.
Disasterous handing of the vaccines roll out in europe hailed as the magic bullit will fuel more decent

More decent what?

Idbatterim · 01-02-2021 11:13AM

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Nothing like a good old anti government rant on a Monday morning is there? So taking into account all this vitriol how come you voted for FG in the recent past or claimed to anyway?

As I have said repeatedly, they said they would make working more worthwhile it was a lie, fifty percent marginal rate over a pittance, housing situation worse than ever. Debt position after this is comedy, its already 240,000,000,000 now. I didnt vote for free luxury housing for the work shy and ever decreasing living standards for those paying for it all...

And its not just me, all my working mates wont vote fg again. Done in on housing, even though most have now after years of struggle, managed to buy. But what they have gone through is a disgrace. A few voting sf , because the situation is just a disgrace, it was an unnecessary struggle. Brought about by ffg. Good to see some have some compassion beyond the " I'm alright jack" mentality. Struggle to buy or live because if ffg and yet continue fo vote for them ... that will get the issues addressed alright, lol !

Kunta Kinte · 01-02-2021 11:25AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

The Irish have been exposed as subservient, servile, hysterical fear-mongers.

It's no wonder the official policy is neutrally.

We are an embarrassment.

The only embarrassment I see exposed is this post. Ranting self hating rubbish.

01-02-2021 11:28AM

Come June, we’ll have spent 8 out of 9 months in lockdown. Absolutely pathetic. Absolute cowards.

Kunta Kinte · 01-02-2021 11:30AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

As I have said repeatedly, they said they would make working more worthwhile it was a lie, fifty percent marginal rate over a pittance, housing situation worse than ever. Debt position after this is comedy, its already 240,000,000,000 now. I didnt vote for free luxury housing for the work shy and ever decreasing living standards for those paying for it all...

And its not just me, all my working mates wont vote fg again. Done in on housing, even though most have now after years of struggle, managed to buy. But what they have gone through is a disgrace. A few voting sf , because the situation is just a disgrace, it was an unnecessary struggle. Brought about by ffg. Good to see some have some compassion beyond the " I'm alright jack" mentality. Struggle to buy or live because if ffg and yet continue fo vote for them ... that will get the issues addressed alright, lol !

Earlier you stated that all the parties in the Oireachtas are a disgrace and yet you still urge people to vote for SF. What`s that all about?

Silentcorner · 01-02-2021 11:35AM

Boggles wrote: »

People pretending to know the reasons why some unfortunates decide to take their own lives to bolster a false narrative is beyond crass.

I know your style Boggles so I won't rise to your bait.

I know these people, their families, it was tragic on both counts.

How you can be so callous about a topic that we need to be having a conversation about says a lot more about you than me!

Kunta Kinte · 01-02-2021 11:35AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Come June, we’ll have spent 8 out of 9 months in lockdown. .

Evidence of this claim?

Whatsisname · 01-02-2021 11:35AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

80% of over 80s have been vaccinated in the UK (and that was 4 days ago). The UK should be ready to go and open up in a week or 2. How many of our over 80s have been vaccinated?

The over 80s plus very vulnerable groups are the only ones that matter. The rest of us can suck it up with a very bad dose of flu for a few days if need be. Micheal Martin is talking about March still having large restrictions. He can jog on if the over 80s are vaccinated.

I don't expect restrictions to be lowered here so quickly. Matt Hancock is still banging his Great British Summer drum tho, schools are likely going back in March, there was talk retail could open again in April. So summer should be back to normal, but they've shifted the goalposts before, I wouldn't be surprised to see them do it again.

It is mad that Ireland's not releasing daily vaccination figures though. I see the UK ones everyday. 598k got their first dose yesterday. 9.4m doses have been given so far. 17% of the adult population have been vaccinated. The UK governments target of vaccinating 14m of the most vulnerable by the 15th of February is over 60% there. They'd have to hit a target of roughly 361k a day from now until the 15th to meet that target and they almost did double that yesterday. With the large amount of past and current infections already, along with the pretty quick vaccine rollout, the UK should have very little infections by the summer. Theres already been a substantial decrease in cases over the last few weeks.

Another point I'd like to note is the change in peoples outlook. Over the last 2 weeks or so, deaths have been pretty consistently over 1k, yet many people are completely focused on how quick vaccinations are happening. From the threads I read on the situation in the UK, more and more people are becoming optimistic that we're in end game now. Compared to the deep psychological fear and misery in people at home, it's almost polar opposite in comparison. The Irish government/HSE/media could push the daily vaccinations as much as they've pushed the case and death figures to create some optimism, but that doesn't seem to be in their nature.

01-02-2021 11:37AM

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Evidence of this claim?

We went into lockdown October.
Taoiseach has said we’re going for a prolonged suppression of the virus with hospitality likely not opening until later I’m summer

01-02-2021 11:38AM

Silentcorner wrote: »

I know your style Boggles so I won't rise to your bait.

I know these people, their families, it was tragic on both counts.

How you can be so callous about a topic that we need to be having a conversation about says a lot more about you than me!

The reasons people commit suicide are complex and myriad. To simplify it so much as to say it was restrictions that did it is simplistic in the extreme. I have no doubt in some cases it was the trigger, in some cases a contributor and in some cases had actually no role to play at all.

Boggles · 01-02-2021 11:39AM

Silentcorner wrote: »

I know your style Boggles so I won't rise to your bait.

I know these people, their families, it was tragic on both counts.
!

I have absolutely no doubt it was, but that has nothing to with my point.

Silentcorner · 01-02-2021 11:41AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The reasons people commit suicide are complex and myriad. To simplify it so much as to say it was restrictions that did it is simplistic in the extreme. I have no doubt in some cases it was the trigger, in some cases a contributor and in some cases had actually no role to play at all.

We do know that there has been a surge in the use of anti depressants since the lockdowns began in March.

I know the reasons people take these are complex...but let's not kid ourselves, we have a big problem on our hands as a result of our actions, ignoring it won't make it go away!

Silentcorner · 01-02-2021 11:45AM

Boggles wrote: »

I have absolutely no doubt it was, but that has nothing to with my point.

You accused me of being crass.

You know full well this is causing mental health issues, we all know it.

Your point was to insult me. I am not taking that bait, I know your style.

01-02-2021 11:50AM

Silentcorner wrote: »

We do know that there has been a surge in the use of anti depressants since the lockdowns began in March.

I know the reasons people take these are complex...but let's not kid ourselves, we have a big problem on our hands as a result of our actions, ignoring it won't make it go away!

Statistics such as the increase in anti depressant usage may also be a reflection of people reaching out for support who otherwise may not have. We cannot make judgements on anecdotes

Kunta Kinte · 01-02-2021 11:51AM

Whatsisname wrote: »

I don't expect restrictions to be lowered here so quickly. Matt Hancock is still banging his Great British Summer drum tho, schools are likely going back in March, there was talk retail could open again in April. So summer should be back to normal, but they've shifted the goalposts before, I wouldn't be surprised to see them do it again.

This is a very relevant part of your post. The UK government have done several 180 degree U turns over the past 12 months from their initial disastrous herd immunity strategy to their failed regional restrictions to reopening many schools in early January only to close them again the very next day. Maybe things will be different this time around but I wouldn`t bank on it happening.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings