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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #2492
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Deleted User wrote: »
    While I would tend to agree with you, I did hear a disconcerting interview on Times radio in the UK this morning with a member of SAGE who could not confirm that there won’t have to be a full lockdown next winter because they don’t actually know yet if immunity from the current wave of vaccinations will last that long. More work is needed before they know how long they last
    It's important to remind ourselves that, in January 2021, all of them know about as much as we do about December next. Few of them are as crafty as our own CMO in fending off media questions and many of them just love to guess and seemingly reveal unseen government plans.


  • #2493
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1355835797090541568


  • #2494
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,586 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    polesheep wrote: »
    So you don't believe that we could begin to open up? That we would have to remain in level 5?

    Our hospitals will be fine.

    Over half the people in ICU are under 65. You could reduce deaths and still have bunged hospitals.


  • #2495
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,782 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    landofthetree wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1355835797090541568

    All that's missing is a Dunkirk reference


  • #2496
    The HorsesMouth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 515 ✭✭✭The HorsesMouth


    Everyone saying we should open up after 65 and over are vaccinated maybe just have a look at these figures:

    Im ignoring the 0-24 age group here because the hospital and death figures are so low.
    But in the 25 to 65 age group here are the stats:

    Cases: 114635
    Deaths: 198
    Percentage rate: 0.17%

    If we were to open up completely and let people get on with no protection here's what we could end up with with the same death rate.

    Population of 25-65 year olds is 2598000. Say for argument sake half these people get it with no restrictions in place. Thats 1299000 people. If you put the cases to deaths ratio as above that would leave 2208 people between the ages of 25-65 dead.

    I understand its hypothetical and who knows if even half would get it or would more get it.
    But it's food for thought. I want things to open up same as everyone else but with those stats I can understand why those in power would be reluctant..


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  • #2497
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Its something like 25% of irish adults are obese....this is an underlying causing vunerable condition for covid

    Sounds like a good reason to loose weight.


  • #2498
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,435 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    landofthetree wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1355835797090541568

    Ireland has spent the last year comparing ourselves to Britain and America, and comparing ourselves in a favourable light.

    We're worse than Britain when it comes to comparisons when it suits us.


  • #2499
    Tyrone212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    patnor1011 wrote: »
    Since when? Only very recently and they did without them for most of the time last year. That, with third world countries like most of the Africa without restrictions and even functioning health system clearly contradict your doom prediction.

    So many absolute thickos were saying all Summer but but sweden has no restrictions. They've had loads since last Spring. You didn't even know that. My god.


  • #2500
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,354 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    landofthetree wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1355835797090541568

    And yet, despite a months head start, they probably won't be finished before any other country......


  • #2501
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The HorsesMouth wrote: »
    Everyone saying we should open up after 65 and over are vaccinated maybe just have a look at these figures:

    Im ignoring the 0-24 age group here because the hospital and death figures are so low.
    But in the 25 to 65 age group here are the stats:

    Cases: 114635
    Deaths: 198
    Percentage rate: 0.17%

    If we were to open up completely and let people get on with no protection here's what we could end up with with the same death rate.

    Population of 25-65 year olds is 2598000. Say for argument sake half these people get it with no restrictions in place. Thats 1299000 people. If you put the cases to deaths ratio as above that would leave 2208 people between the ages of 25-65 dead.

    I understand its hypothetical and who knows if even half would get it or would more get it.
    But it's food for thought. I want things to open up same as everyone else but with those stats I can understand why those in power would be reluctant..
    All of these hypotheticals ignore that we had relatively iight restrictions last summer and the virus didn't run wild. Its seems completely reasonable to reduce restrictions from April onwards, with low case numbers and vaccinations increasing all of the time.

    Level 4/level 5 until September just is not a runner


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  • #2502
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,940 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    If Mehole Marty got on phone to Boris to supply Ireland with vaccines then the UK would step up to help us. All he has to do is make that call, and then Boris would see that we get extra supply, supply that doesn't effect UKs supply.
    Uk have lots, all sitting there waiting for people, they could easily give Ireland 7000 doses per week.


  • #2503
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Ireland has spent the last year comparing ourselves to Britain and America, and comparing ourselves in a favourable light.

    We're worse than Britain when it comes to comparisons when it suits us.

    The British are going to rewrite history on covid quite nicely by the looks of things. Even if the Brits and US manage to vaccinate everyone a couple of months before us they will still have over twice our deaths per capita.


  • #2504
    SCOOP 64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,626 ✭✭✭SCOOP 64


    Wow that twitter post as touch a few nerves on here.


  • #2505
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    If Mehole Marty got on phone to Boris to supply Ireland with vaccines then the UK would step up to help us. All he has to do is make that call, and then Boris would see that we get extra supply, supply that doesn't effect UKs supply.
    Uk have lots, all sitting there waiting for people, they could easily give Ireland 7000 doses per week.
    I suspect this will happen as the UK won't want a well of virus on their doorstep particularly due to the CTA and shared border.


  • #2506
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    lawred2 wrote: »
    All that's missing is a Dunkirk reference

    To be fair to the Brits, I don’t think any other country can present such a horrendous defeat into a victory.


  • #2507
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,782 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    The HorsesMouth wrote: »
    Everyone saying we should open up after 65 and over are vaccinated maybe just have a look at these figures:

    Im ignoring the 0-24 age group here because the hospital and death figures are so low.
    But in the 25 to 65 age group here are the stats:

    Cases: 114635
    Deaths: 198
    Percentage rate: 0.17%

    If we were to open up completely and let people get on with no protection here's what we could end up with with the same death rate.

    Population of 25-65 year olds is 2598000. Say for argument sake half these people get it with no restrictions in place. Thats 1299000 people. If you put the cases to deaths ratio as above that would leave 2208 people between the ages of 25-65 dead.

    I understand its hypothetical and who knows if even half would get it or would more get it.
    But it's food for thought. I want things to open up same as everyone else but with those stats I can understand why those in power would be reluctant..

    Why stop at 50%? Why not 80% infected? 100% infected?

    For argument sake!


  • #2508
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    landofthetree wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1355835797090541568

    Overall, more than 7.8 million people have now received a first dose of a vaccine, but only 470,000 people have had a second. It'll stay that way for quite a bit.
    For comparison that's 6% with 2nd shots for them and 9% for us.


  • #2509
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,354 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    SCOOP 64 wrote: »
    Wow that twitter post as touch a few nerves on here.

    Yes, the idea of the uk having any sort of moral high ground is hilarious, no where has gotten it right, but nowhere has been the dumpster fire that is the uk.


  • #2510
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,940 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I suspect this will happen as the UK won't want a well of virus on their doorstep particularly die to the CTA and shared border.


    But he hasn't made the call, while 60 people a day here die. No excuse not to try, yet he hasn't.


  • #2511
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,435 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    AdamD wrote: »
    The British are going to rewrite history on covid quite nicely by the looks of things. Even if the Brits and US manage to vaccinate everyone a couple of months before us they will still have over twice our deaths per capita.

    There we go again with comparisons with Britain again .

    Irish people can be cringey, surely we should compare ourselves with similar countries to our own.


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  • #2512
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,354 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Overall, more than 7.8 million people have now received a first dose of a vaccine, but only 470,000 people have had a second. It'll stay that way for quite a bit.

    Meanwhile, we've second jabbed nearly 10% of our vaccinated, despite one less vaccine and the supposed shackles of the EU..... Not bad.


  • #2513
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Charles Babbage wrote: »
    Over half the people in ICU are under 65. You could reduce deaths and still have bunged hospitals.

    And the vast majority of those are in the vulnerable cohort. I have clearly stated that once over 65 AND vulnerable are vaccinated we should begin to open up. If anyone outside of those groups is fearful they should restrict their movements until they get a vaccine.


  • #2514
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,435 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Michael Martin just said on the radio that an announcement on the LC will be made this week.

    He appeared to imply the exams won't happen. That was my impression.


  • #2515
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Why stop at 50%? Why not 80% infected? 100% infected?

    For argument sake!

    Your figures include the vulnerable but the vulnerable will be vaccinated.

    Apologies lawred, my reply was meant for the post you replied to.


  • #2516
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    polesheep wrote: »
    And the vast majority of those are in the vulnerable cohort. I have clearly stated that once over 65 AND vulnerable are vaccinated we should begin to open up. If anyone outside of those groups is fearful they should restrict their movements until they get a vaccine.

    And in this scenario what do we do with the vulnerable and over 65 if there is a variant that needs a booster shot for vaccination to be effective? (Which there already is...hence the vaccine manufacturers making booster shots already)
    Do we shut down again until that next vaccination drive is over? And so on.


  • #2517
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    polesheep wrote: »
    And the vast majority of those are in the vulnerable cohort. I have clearly stated that once over 65 AND vulnerable are vaccinated we should begin to open up. If anyone outside of those groups is fearful they should restrict their movements until they get a vaccine.

    The economy will start opening up. It will not be fully open but the narrative will change when cases are down, over 65’s and at risk are vaccinated and at that point in time hospital cases will have reduced. There is a panic at the moment but that will soon lift - on the 28th of Feb (4 weeks) things will be different.


  • #2518
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Michael Martin just said on the radio that an announcement on the LC will be made this week.

    He appeared to imply the exams won't happen. That was my impression.

    Does anyone actually still think that they will happen?


  • #2519
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    polesheep wrote: »
    And the vast majority of those are in the vulnerable cohort. I have clearly stated that once over 65 AND vulnerable are vaccinated we should begin to open up. If anyone outside of those groups is fearful they should restrict their movements until they get a vaccine.

    You are saying it's down to being afraid. If no-one in that cohort is 'fearful' we'd still have overwhelmed hospitals and 4K deaths total. Not including the effect of overflowing ICUs which causes a significant uptake in mortality.

    So you think that we should risk 4000 + deaths in under 65s?

    You'd make a great WW1 general. Over the top lads !


  • #2520
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    Meanwhile, we've second jabbed nearly 10% of our vaccinated, despite one less vaccine and the supposed shackles of the EU..... Not bad.
    TBH we seem to be the one of the only EU countries with a plan that is responding to supplies, others look to have just gone out jabbing all they can. Nothing wrong with that but it leaves you at the mercy of delays and shortfalls.


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  • #2521
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,352 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Does anyone actually still think that they will happen?

    I'd say Norma Foley does anyway.


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