Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

Graham · 31-01-2021 12:55PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Realistically anyone that a hobby or social life now has to sit in front of a TV for the next few months, or the spare time is spent on here.

If all you're doing is sitting in front of the television or posting here, it's no surprise you're getting frustrated. It's not healthy.

Find a hobby you can do from home, do an online course, learn something, start something.

Arghus · 31-01-2021 12:57PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

“Dashed red arrows indicate the timeline of the first, second and third waves of COVID-19 infection in Ireland (Second wave of infection commenced in week 32; week beginning 02/08/2020 and the third wave commenced in week 48 (22/11/2020)).”

There’s text rather than a chart. Straight from the HSPCs report. No alterations. You’ll retract your scurrilous accusation that I’ve lied I presume??

Cases may have been increasing by the end of November again, but the increase at the time was very wasn't totally uncontrolled spread like what we had as December progressed.

There's a difference between cases rising and a surge.

Cases rose during the Summer, slightly initially, from a low base - but the second surge only really got going well into September/early October.

copeyhagen · 31-01-2021 01:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You know what median means?

obviously :rolleyes: you know what i meant.

FintanMcluskey · 31-01-2021 01:18PM

Philip Nolan on newstalk has said restrictions will be as they are until September.

No travel in Ireland or abroad.

Schools may open

I must take up knitting

weldoninhio · 31-01-2021 01:19PM

Arghus wrote: »

Cases may have been increasing by the end of November again, but the increase at the time was very wasn't totally uncontrolled spread like what we had as December progressed.

There's a difference between cases rising and a surge.

Cases rose during the Summer, slightly initially, from a low base - but the second surge only really got going well into September/early October.

HSPC literally state that the third surge began 22/11/20. Another case of, ‘Listen to the experts, except when I don’t agree with them.’

KrustyUCC · 31-01-2021 01:22PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Philip Nolan on newstalk has said restrictions will be as they are until September.

No travel in Ireland or abroad.

Schools may open

I must take up knitting

Good luck getting public buy in for a 9 month lockdown

That's mad from Nolan predicting that

Malcomex · 31-01-2021 01:25PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Good luck getting public buy in for a 9 month lockdown

That's mad from Nolan predicting that

Its sh1t but predictable

31-01-2021 01:25PM

Arghus wrote: »

Cases may have been increasing by the end of November again, but the increase at the time was very wasn't totally uncontrolled spread like what we had as December progressed.

There's a difference between cases rising and a surge.

Cases rose during the Summer, slightly initially, from a low base - but the second surge only really got going well into September/early October.

They actually weren’t increasing at the end of November though. There was a slight increase mid November before it started falling again. This may be why the end of wave 2 was called that time

FintanMcluskey · 31-01-2021 01:25PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Good luck getting public buy in for a 9 month lockdown

That's mad from Nolan predicting that

People will still follow the rules.

They will be fined otherwise

KrustyUCC · 31-01-2021 01:28PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

People will still follow the rules.

They will be fined otherwise

I doubt that

So Nolan is predicting 9 months of not seeing friends, family, partners both within and outside your county

Even with the threat of a fine that won't happen

31-01-2021 01:28PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

HSPC literally state that the third surge began 22/11/20. Another case of, ‘Listen to the experts, except when I don’t agree with them.’

An epidemiological time period does not equal a surge. The end of wave 2 was called mid November when cases stopped falling for a few days. This was not however the lowest point which followed a couple of weeks later.

Responder XY · 31-01-2021 01:30PM

Didn't hear Nolan today - but based on his history why is anyone surprised he'd say that.

Quicker likes of him are pushed aside the better. No comprehension or understanding of real life displayed.

Malcomex · 31-01-2021 01:30PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

People will still follow the rules.

They will be fined otherwise

Smell of trollbait off this

Isn't this a repeat post too , I've seen it before

FintanMcluskey · 31-01-2021 01:34PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

I doubt that

So Nolan is predicting 9 months of not seeing friends, family, partners both within and outside your county

Even with the threat of a fine that won't happen

Public adherence to the guidelines is very high though, if the public followed the guidelines up to now they will likely for some time yet.

Can’t see how businesses can survive this year continuing like this

cheezums · 31-01-2021 01:38PM

once the first 3 or so groups are vaccinated fully, it will nigh on impossible to keep current levels of restrictions in place. people simply will not put up with it.

Malcomex · 31-01-2021 01:40PM

cheezums wrote: »

once the first 3 or so groups are vaccinated fully, it will nigh on impossible to keep current levels of restrictions in place. people simply will not put up with it.

Peoples mental health is getting badly strained from what I see

Not sure many can last and I see suicides evident in the death notices

Windmill100000 · 31-01-2021 01:42PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

HSPC literally state that the third surge began 22/11/20. Another case of, ‘Listen to the experts, except when I don’t agree with them.’

I am looking at the daily cases on statista.com for Ireland and it states that on

22/11/20 there were 318 cases

29/11/20 299 cases

5/12/20 456 cases

10/12/20 310 cases

15/12/20 329 cases

20/12/20 764 cases

25/12/20 1,025 cases

1/1/21 1,754 cases

5/1/21 5,325 cases

10/1/21 6.888

I know people can take up two weeks to show symptoms from infection but average is 5/6 days. There appeared to be more of a 'surge' between October 14-22 when we were over 1,000 cases daily

KrustyUCC · 31-01-2021 01:42PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Public adherence to the guidelines is very high though, if the public followed the guidelines up to now they will likely for some time yet.

Can’t see how businesses can survive this year continuing like this

Some time yet is not 9 months

We're only one month into this level 5 with at least 6 more weeks to go

That's 10 weeks of level 5 without the government tacking on any additional time

Businesses definitely won't survive 9 months of lockdown and I don't think the government could afford it either

The 6 weeks lockdown before December cost €1.5 billion

These level 5 has more shut so will be more expensive again

FintanMcluskey · 31-01-2021 01:51PM

Malcomex wrote: »

Smell of trollbait off this

Isn't this a repeat post too , I've seen it before

What are you on about?

31-01-2021 01:52PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Philip Nolan on newstalk has said restrictions will be as they are until September.

No travel in Ireland or abroad.

Schools may open

I must take up knitting

Do you believe that people cannot go back and confirm what he actually said? Which was that large scale gatherings won’t be possible and we prioritise reopening in a controlled manner based on what is more important and that we would be living with “some level of restrictions, whether that is level 3 or level 2 for some months to come”

Malcomex · 31-01-2021 01:53PM

Lundstram wrote: »

Restrictions running 'til Septemeber won't be decided by what happens or what anyone says on this island. Summer will be a whole different ball game, the UK will be lightyears ahead of us, they will have a near normal summer. There's no way in hell the Irish are going to be locked down while those across the water and the few up the road in the North are enjoying life. Phillip Nolan can talk all the nonsense he wants. He, NPHET or the government will not be the ones who decide we put up with these restrictions across summer. The Irish people will.

I'd urge anyone who gets fined NOT to pay it, let it go to court, they will be all thrown out eventually. There's so many loopholes in the laws they rushed in. I still can't get my head around a man all on his own out walking on a beach was handed a €100 fine. Sickening.

We will have endured 14/15 months of this nonsnse by the time summer rolls around, that's more than enough time wasted from our lives for the government and Paul Reid to get their house in order. The EU have made a complete balls of procuring vaccines and are more interested in arguing the toss with suppliers than fixing this mess.

Come summer, businesses need to get together an open up.

Enough is enough.

Once the 80% are vaccinated and hospitalizations are at a low level life will have to go on

We certainly can't be cowering in anticipation of what might happen next

Wouldn't be any point to life otherwise

FintanMcluskey · 31-01-2021 02:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Do you believe that people cannot go back and confirm what he actually said? Which was that large scale gatherings won’t be possible and we prioritise reopening in a controlled manner based on what is more important and that we would be living with “some level of restrictions, whether that is level 3 or level 2 for some months to come”

I’ll quote him directly so

"There's a shared objective here to bring case numbers to a very low level, as far as practicable to zero, that's the only way that we can begin to safely reopen our priorities," he said.

Arghus · 31-01-2021 02:04PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

HSPC literally state that the third surge began 22/11/20. Another case of, ‘Listen to the experts, except when I don’t agree with them.’

Cases were lower at later dates in November and even in early December than they were on November 22nd.

Raind has explained some of the reasons for their use of terminology in his post above, but I understand a surge to mean acceleration in growth at an increasing rate. It's a strange surge that begins with numbers actually falling.

FintanMcluskey · 31-01-2021 02:09PM

cheezums wrote: »

once the first 3 or so groups are vaccinated fully, it will nigh on impossible to keep current levels of restrictions in place. people simply will not put up with it.

To be honest people said the same last March when people suggested the restrictions would continue for months into Summer.

Bottom line is the majority of Irish people will follow whatever NPHET or government advice is in place. Even if they don’t non essential retail, restaurants etc will be shut.

Leo, Donnelly and Nolan have all essentially expanded the same message this week about length of restrictions.

31-01-2021 02:09PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I’ll quote him directly so

I quoted him directly. Again you took a single sentence and ignored the context. He was asked about zero Covid and basically said it’s not possible but everyone’s goal is to get to zero ultimately. He said priorities should be opened first and when specifically a said “we will be living with some level of restrictions, whether level 3 or level 2, for some months to come”.

So by all means, selectively quote to build your own picture and drive the thread hysteria. However, expect reality to be pointed out to you

dalyboy · 31-01-2021 02:14PM

Malcomex wrote: »

Once the 80% are vaccinated and hospitalizations are at a low level life will have to go on

We certainly can't be cowering in anticipation of what might happen next

Wouldn't be any point to life otherwise

Once the aged and vulnerable are vaccinated by right should spell the end however look at what’s running the country . I wouldn’t trust them to run a bath and they’d just blame someone else for f€uking that up too.

I expect a media campaign (propaganda campaign) over the next couple of months that will shift the narrative fully to “previous long covid” and “fear of new strains from abroad” or “historical under 50 year old deaths” etc with a view to smoke and mirrors our lack of cases or deaths that’ll remain low in the months approaching summer.

It’ll be the only way they’ll placate our itchy feet for foreign holidays and less life restrictions.
Also expect their fantastic “genuine” polls to fully support this existence instead of life and the Sinn Fein etc to constantly demand more and more tyranny.

Negative view admittedly however based on the last 11 months it’s realistic.

FintanMcluskey · 31-01-2021 02:16PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I quoted him directly. Again you took a single sentence and ignored the context. He was asked about zero Covid and basically said it’s not possible but everyone’s goal is to get to zero ultimately. He said priorities should be opened first and when specifically a said “we will be living with some level of restrictions, whether level 3 or level 2, for some months to come”.

So by all means, selectively quote to build your own picture and drive the thread hysteria. However, expect reality to be pointed out to you

I’m quoting what he said

“the reality is that we're going to be living with social distancing, masks, very limited social gatherings, no non-essential travel for some considerable time”.

As for whether he expects the current level five restrictions to be extended beyond March 5th, he added that he could not "prejudge" it, but said that by looking back on previous reopenings of society last year, the lessons learned can be applied to the coming months.

Graham · 31-01-2021 02:19PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I’m quoting what he said

As usual, you left out the part that gave meaning to 'restrictions'.

It's just getting silly at this stage, it's impossible to take any of your posts at face value.

Denny61 · 31-01-2021 02:23PM

Not so ..the three arena telling us to buy tickets now as acts are,rolling in from April on ..ive counted about ten music acts coming involving over a hundred thousand people mixing . Plus Ryan Air telling us to pack our suitcases as its VAX OR JAB AND GO !!!SO ALL WILL BE GREAT BY APRIL..PANADEMIC WILL BE A DISTANT MEMORY

FintanMcluskey · 31-01-2021 02:23PM

Graham wrote: »

As usual, you left out the part that gave meaning to 'restrictions'.

It's just getting silly at this stage, it's impossible to take any of your posts at face value.

No non essential travel and lessons learned from reopening last Summer?

What way would you interpret that Graham?

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