Home charge points (purchase/problems/questions) (See mod note post#1)

Risteard81 · 29-01-2021 11:46PM

Kramer wrote: »

I'm not sure, but isn't 1 hour, 18 minutes, closer to 59 minutes (less than an hour), that 2 hours?

Still, a two hour install, after testing, certification etc. (not including the charge point), seems to be running upwards of €1,000 these days..........

:P.

He said 1 hour and 33 minutes, actually.

And most installs don't already have a cable run in, so don't type nonsense.

Kramer · 30-01-2021 12:05AM

Risteard81 wrote: »

And most installs don't already have a cable run in, so don't type nonsense.

Back seat modding now too? Attacking a poster?
Remember, never personalise - attack the post, not the poster

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Look, no one expects electricians to work for free. We're not all thick, or miserly - we buy Teslas, Porsches & Audis. It's the blatant fleecing of people that irks me. Not all electricians do it, obviously, but loads do.

Defend your profession by all means, but you're now even casting aspersions about the quality of an install, by a presumably, fully SAFE Electric registered electrician, just because he was too cheap, or worked too quickly - that's mad Ted :eek:.

We're EV enthusiasts. We love talking about our cars & sharing our experiences with other EV owners & prospective EV buyers. Word about ridiculously expensive electricians gets around & what seems like handy money from a well off, new expensive EV owner, could prove to be costly in the end.

[-End Rant-]

Nothing against electricians - if there is a "hug a sparky day", post lockdown, I'm in

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Aph2016 · 30-01-2021 09:32AM

If my install takes more than 3 hours I will be shocked. Consumer unit is more or less on the opposite site of the wall where the zappi will be mounted. Programming the zappi and the hub I'll do myself.

Risteard81 · 30-01-2021 03:22PM

Kramer wrote: »

Back seat modding now too? Attacking a poster?
Remember, never personalise - attack the post, not the poster .

Pointing out that someone is talking complete and utter rubbish is not a personal attack. I criticised what he typed. That is what a discussion forum is for. I'm not a nodding dog.

But I'm happy to hug anyone, any time. (Not just post so-called "lockdown".)

kaahooters · 30-01-2021 03:41PM

anyone have the link to the instulation guidelines?

kkibos · 30-01-2021 03:43PM

After some research decided on the EO mini pro. Went with Electric Ireland €1099 and was installed by KN networks. Install took about 90 minutes.

Gumbo · 30-01-2021 04:05PM

kaahooters wrote: »

anyone have the link to the instulation guidelines?

There’s a section on EVSE installs but you have to buy the document.

https://www.nsai.ie/standards/sectors/electrotechnical-standards/national-wiring-rules-faqs/

I have a soft copy on the work PC.

Risteard81 · 30-01-2021 04:08PM

Gumbo wrote: »

There’s a section on EVSE installs but you have to buy the document.

https://www.nsai.ie/standards/sectors/electrotechnical-standards/national-wiring-rules-faqs/

I have a soft copy on the work PC.

It should be remembered, of course, that not only Section 722 of the Rules is relevant. This gives additional requirements for EVSE installations - all other sections of the Rules continue to apply also.

Section 722 as introduced by Amendment No. 3 to ET101:2008 is identical in I.S. 10101:2020. (Slightly different wording in a couple of sentences, but no changes in the actual Rules.)

Kramer · 30-01-2021 06:58PM

kkibos wrote: »

After some research decided on the EO mini pro. Went with Electric Ireland €1099 and was installed by KN networks. Install took about 90 minutes.

That's a nice neat install, largely hidden by the downpipe too.
It's a pity some mandate the isolator IMO - nothing to stop random passers by switching off your EV, while you wake up to an uncharged car, needed to get to work.

Risteard81 · 30-01-2021 07:11PM

Kramer wrote: »

It's a pity some mandate the isolator IMO

Everyone has to mandate it.

WayneEnterprise · 30-01-2021 07:20PM

Risteard81 wrote: »

Everyone has to mandate it.

Not required for untethered non locking chargers I was told

kkibos · 30-01-2021 07:30PM

Yes the isolator is a pain but still nice and tidy install. Mostly hidden from the road that’s why I went for the mini.

Kramer · 30-01-2021 08:18PM

Kramer wrote: »

It's a pity some mandate the isolator IMO

Risteard81 wrote: »

Everyone has to mandate it.

I thought I'd heard recently of a large, reputable, either national or multinational company, confirming isolators were not mandatory. They weren't installing them, as a matter of course anyway.............but I'm not a REC or SAFE Electric registered, so in no way an expert. Maybe someone else can confirm?

I know of plenty who had (EVSE) charge points installed & certified, sans isolators though, but never heard of a single PHEV/BEV fire, electrocution or mishap, where an isolator would have been beneficial.

Not in what, a decade with 500,000 Leaf sales alone & hundreds of thousands of Model 3/other BEVs, across the globe.

But if SAFE Electric mandate it & it's the law here, I'm a good law abiding citizen & wholeheartedly agree, the law should be obeyed :pac:.

Gumbo · 30-01-2021 09:30PM

I’m still seeing electricians not installing the isolator.
Fully registered electricians and grants being paid out on them.

It should be clear cut, it’s either required or not.

I seen recent installations by KN that had none also.

My own personal one fitted in 2017 doesn’t have one. Grant job so certified by a registered sparky.

403 Forbidden · 03-02-2021 11:26AM

403 Forbidden wrote: »

I didn't get the Hub today but I've ordered it this afternoon. Should arrive on Tuesday. Ive got two options of placement about 3m away from the Zappi or 10m away...

I rather put it in the cabinet with the router which is 10m away.

I'll let you know!

So the Hub has been installed and is about 10m-15m away from the Harvi. So far no issues. Also if anyone is interested you can access the data and have it run into home automation. I run Home Assistant here and it's great for a quick read of what's going on.

slave1 · 03-02-2021 11:48AM

Buried on the MyEnergi website is your ability to setup an account, there you will see more data and fancy graphs, it’s not bad actually

Gumbo · 03-02-2021 08:53PM

Guys, I’ve just got my hands on a Garo charger.
No idea what I’ll use it for but it was a bargain so I grabbed it and I’ll either use it eventually or pass it on.

Anyway, it’s the Garo glb-t222wo Model.
There’s space for a meter in it to monitor consumption but I just want to know what one to get etc?

Thanks.

https://garo.co.uk/GAR1/GAR1-SHOP2/docs/Specification%20Sheets/GLB-T222WO%20%20Spec%20Sheet.pdf

Dingatron · 03-02-2021 10:03PM

slave1 wrote: »

Buried on the MyEnergi website is your ability to setup an account, there you will see more data and fancy graphs, it’s not bad actually

Hey slave1 would you happen to have a link to the website access couldn't find anywhere to access and register?

Gumbo · 03-02-2021 10:07PM

Dingatron wrote: »

Hey slave1 would you happen to have a link to the website access couldn't find anywhere to access and register?

You may have to contact them direct to create an account?

https://myenergi.com/my-account/

eddhorse · 04-02-2021 10:51AM

Gumbo wrote: »

You may have to contact them direct to create an account?

https://myenergi.com/my-account/

Its actually this now : myaccount.myenergi.com

More info here:
https://myenergi.info/the-new-myenergi-account-t2591.html#p24350

We are very pleased to launch the new myenergi account - myaccount.myenergi.com - and to give our forum members the first chance to try it out.

As we develop new features this will be the place to register your myenergi devices, look in detail at their performance, communicate with us, learn about new updates from myenergi and much more.

For the moment the new account will allow you to
view the status of your myenergi devices and check their firmware versions
look in detail at the energy usage
and for Octopus Agile customers, automatically schedule the timed boosts on you zappi and eddi to make the most of the cheap periods in the Octopus Agile flexible tariff.
We're not making a big noise about this launch just yet as there are loads more features under development - the next will be aimed at anyone with a dual rate or economy tariff so that you can also make the most of the automatic scheduling. So, tonight, we're letting members of the myenergi forum have first access.

When you first register you will be asked some basic information about your home and EV, if you drive one.
You will also be asked about who installed your myenergi devices - apologies if you have already done this, but in future all product registrations will be through the new account.

To connect your hub to the account you will need your hub serial number and the password you used when you set up the hub in the app. If you cannot remember the password then please email support@myenergi.com with your hub serial number so we can reset it for you. In the future this won't be necessary any more as the password reset will be one of the features provided through the account.

We hope you like what has been produced and will continue to enjoy the new features as they are developed.

Please let us have your feedback and suggestions for features you would like to see added,

Thanks

The myenergi team. &#55357;&#56835;

Kpk · 11-02-2021 07:31PM

Rusky rusky wrote: »

My install of wallbox pulsar plus was 1076+65 for the clamp plus tax so 1294 in total before the grant or 694 after the grant. There’s no additional charge for load balancing, just the clamp.

Hi ,
just wanted to ask in your wall box is the load balancing done via WiFi from the meter or is there a hard wire option?.

Kpk · 11-02-2021 07:55PM

Rusky rusky wrote: »

My install of wallbox pulsar plus was 1076+65 for the clamp plus tax so 1294 in total before the grant or 694 after the grant. There’s no additional charge for load balancing, just the clamp.

Hi ,
just wanted to ask in your wall box is the load balancing done via WiFi from the meter or is there a hard wire option?.

Risteard81 · 11-02-2021 10:09PM

Kpk wrote: »

Hi ,
just wanted to ask in your wall box is the load balancing done via WiFi from the meter or is there a hard wire option?.

Wallbox Pulsar Plus is hardwired.

Rusky rusky · 11-02-2021 10:10PM

Kpk wrote: »

Hi ,
just wanted to ask in your wall box is the load balancing done via WiFi from the meter or is there a hard wire option?.

There’s a C clamp wired into the charger and is placed on the live wire in the meter box. WiFi is only used to load the charging data to the servers (and software updated).

Gumbo · 12-02-2021 04:31PM

Was at an Engineers Ireland Webinar on I.S. 10101 (Electrical Wiring Regulations).

Here’s a nice image on Meter Boxes and CU height regulations. They briefly spoke about EV charging but no great detail, but this image shows an EVSE which I believe is an isolator switch so it would appear it’s required now. Section H on the image.

I think these regulations are only in force about 2 weeks now.

KCross · 12-02-2021 04:40PM

Gumbo wrote: »

Was at an Engineers Ireland Webinar on I.S. 10101 (Electrical Wiring Regulations).

Here’s a nice image on Meter Boxes and CU height regulations. They briefly spoke about EV charging but no great detail, but this image shows an EVSE which I believe is an isolator switch so it would appear it’s required now. Section H on the image.

I wonder is that just for illustration though since they dont specifically mention the isolator in the text?

Interesting that they show/detail the EVSE being fed from the meter cabinet and not the inside distribution board.

graememk · 12-02-2021 05:54PM

KCross wrote: »

I wonder is that just for illustration though since they dont specifically mention the isolator in the text?

Interesting that they show/detail the EVSE being fed from the meter cabinet and not the inside distribution board.

Thats the thing about regulations, they can always be changed.

Interesting & useful diagram.

Being able to come out of the Meter cabinet could be useful for some people.

But it does look like you'd need the ESB customer isolator and the External MCB etc.

KCross · 12-02-2021 06:07PM

graememk wrote: »

But it does look like you'd need the ESB customer isolator and the External MCB etc.

Well, if the EVSE is next to the meter box and there is a breaker just for the EVSE in the meter box would you need the isolator then?
i.e. There might be some flexibility depending on how far the EVSE is from the meter.

graememk · 12-02-2021 06:20PM

KCross wrote: »

Well, if the EVSE is next to the meter box and there is a breaker just for the EVSE in the meter box would you need the isolator then?
i.e. There might be some flexibility depending on how far the EVSE is from the meter.

No clue, Meter box usually needs a key, (well a triangle or square one, but still not many carry one in their pocket)

And the argument is that its there for safety.... Id argue theres more shock risk from an outdoor plug than an evse.

darrenheaphy · 15-02-2021 08:49AM

graememk wrote: »

Thats the thing about regulations, they can always be changed.

Interesting & useful diagram.

Being able to come out of the Meter cabinet could be useful for some people.

But it does look like you'd need the ESB customer isolator and the External MCB etc.

That's my my installer is recommended, to come out of the meter cabinet. This is in response to my internal fuse box being in an awkward position (over a basement stairs).

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