Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee poll not working - pl ignore

elperello · 30-01-2021 04:13PM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

We're still paying for it.

Why is one specific type of music subsidised by the taxpayer? Let's face it it only appeals to a tiny minority of people and is completely elitist.

You are correct, it matters little which budget the funding comes from we are still paying for the orchestras.

You have put your finger on why it is subsidised too. It's because having orchestras like that is not a commercially viable operation.

The State has made a political decision to keep the orchestras for cultural reasons.

Like museums, galleries, national parks etc. not everyone uses them but they are considered good things to have.

Tickets to hear the orchestras in concert are not very expensive and could even be considered a bargain compared to some other music genres.

If you are really exercised about the orchestras you could consider complaining to your local TD.

Elmo · 30-01-2021 04:19PM

elperello wrote: »

The State has made a political decision to keep the orchestras for cultural reasons.

The "indendpent" report also pointed out that "the state" or government of the day may not wish to consider that an Orchestra is of cultural significance and was against the idea that the Goverment should fund either on its own. Which this government has chosen to do.

I can see their reasoning, firstly there are other cultural and arts that are funded by the government, is the extra funding to the NCH/NSO taking from those other important cultural/artistic attractions? and in the future an new government may decided that 8m would be better spend on the many other cultural things that need money. RTÉ on the other hand has to spend its money on the NCO, even if it is just for a new logo.

What do you think of the old one?

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elperello · 30-01-2021 07:26PM

I'd be happy enough to see my tax money going to keep the orchestras.

I don't see any groundswell of opinion one way or the other from the general public.

For the amount of money involved would a future Government bother trying to defund either?

I don't know, I suppose it's always a risk.

As for the logo, is it a case of less is more?

Elmo · 30-01-2021 07:29PM

elperello wrote: »

I'd be happy enough to see my tax money going to keep the orchestras.

I don't see any groundswell of opinion one way or the other from the general public.

For the amount of money involved would a future Government bother trying to defund either?

I don't know, I suppose it's always a risk.

As for the logo, is it a case of less is more?

I agree, as for the logo honestly when you're begging for money it should not be a priority.

ShamNNspace · 30-01-2021 09:16PM

Just on rte's obsession with misery, just watching a programme there on channel 5 it was about ballyfin hotel in laois, anyways the presenter was talking to the gardener and he happened to mention he was there since 67 and the convent that was there before took him in and gave him work as a maintenance guy, he said in passing he was an orphran, the presenter passed no remark on this and carried on chatting not a bother on her, now if it was one of our crew they'd have been in like Flynn to drill down for misery till they found something

RabbleRouser2k · 30-01-2021 09:22PM

political analyst wrote: »

At least that would have educational value.

Yes. Schindler's List is has merit, and value...

Something the Late Late show doesn't. It used to... legitimately used to.
Literally watch an archived interview with Gay Byrne, or even Pat Kenny... and it's more valuable than an entire year's worth of Tubridy.

elperello · 30-01-2021 09:39PM

ShamNNspace wrote: »

Just on rte's obsession with misery, just watching a programme there on channel 5 it was about ballyfin hotel in laois, anyways the presenter was talking to the gardener and he happened to mention he was there since 67 and the convent that was there before took him in and gave him work as a maintenance guy, he said in passing he was an orphran, the presenter passed no remark on this and carried on chatting not a bother on her, now if it was one of our crew they'd have been in like Flynn to drill down for misery till they found something

I didn't see the programme you refer to but Ballyfin was never a convent.

It was a boarding school run by the Patrician Brothers and there were allegations of abuse some years ago.

No reason to attach any negativity to the current enterprise there.

The current owners have made a fine job of the place.

It depends on the nature of the programme if it was just about Ballyfin now then no need to mention the allegations. If it was supposed to be a thorough
history wrong to leave them out.

Either way nothing to do with RTE.

Hotblack Desiato · 30-01-2021 10:22PM

elperello wrote: »

You are correct, it matters little which budget the funding comes from we are still paying for the orchestras.

You have put your finger on why it is subsidised too. It's because having orchestras like that is not a commercially viable operation.

The State has made a political decision to keep the orchestras for cultural reasons.

Like museums, galleries, national parks etc. not everyone uses them but they are considered good things to have.

Tickets to hear the orchestras in concert are not very expensive and could even be considered a bargain compared to some other music genres.

If you are really exercised about the orchestras you could consider complaining to your local TD.

I like Big Band music, but they're pretty much extinct these days due to the expense of running them - the taxpayer isn't expected to fund them though. If I were to go to such a concert I'd be contributing towards the full economic cost of running a big band tour.

They are making a judgement that one type of "culture" is more valuable than another, and forcing us all to pay for it.

Classical music is outdated and has next to no appeal, it also has no connection to Irish culture.

ShamNNspace · 30-01-2021 10:29PM

elperello wrote: »

I didn't see the programme you refer to but Ballyfin was never a convent.

It was a boarding school run by the Patrician Brothers and there were allegations of abuse some years ago.

No reason to attach any negativity to the current enterprise there.

The current owners have made a fine job of the place.

It depends on the nature of the programme if it was just about Ballyfin now then no need to mention the allegations. If it was supposed to be a thorough
history wrong to leave them out.

Either way nothing to do with RTE.

Ok it was a boarding school not a convent my mistake, dismount from your high horse there for a minute, you completely misunderstood my comment, in fact it was just a passing comment on different styles of presenting between an English and an Irish broadcaster, an observation, an opinion if you will

Elmo · 30-01-2021 10:30PM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

I like Big Band music, and Big Bands are pretty much extinct these days due to the expense of running them, the taxpayer isn't expected to fund them though.

The "independent" report also mentioned the lack of regional Orchestras in the country. Though possibly not mentioning Big Bands.

Do you consider the Garda Band to be a big band? And the Army has a band also?

RTÉ did have a quartet at one point.

elperello · 30-01-2021 10:30PM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

I like Big Band music, and Big Bands are pretty much extinct these days due to the expense of running them, the taxpayer isn't expected to fund them though.

I get you.

I have a wide range of interests myself.

Some receive direct or indirect funding from the public purse.

Some I have to bear the full economic cost from my own after tax income.

It's just the luck of the draw.

Historically some music genres get a few bob, others sink or swim.

elperello · 30-01-2021 10:39PM

ShamNNspace wrote: »

Ok it was a boarding school not a convent my mistake, dismount from your high horse there for a minute, you completely misunderstood my comment, in fact it was just a passing comment on different styles of presenting between an English and an Irish broadcaster, an observation, an opinion if you will

That's ok.

No high horse here, sorry if you feel I misunderstood you.

Without seeing the programme it's hard to tell if the presenting style was appropriate or not.

You have the advantage of having seen it and you are just imagining how a different film crew would have produced it.

That's just my opinion.

Hotblack Desiato · 30-01-2021 10:41PM

elperello wrote: »

I don't see any groundswell of opinion one way or the other from the general public.

I'd say that most people aren't even aware that their taxes and licence fee are going to fund orchestras,

For the amount of money involved would a future Government bother trying to defund either?

It all adds up.

Hotblack Desiato · 30-01-2021 10:43PM

ShamNNspace wrote: »

Just on rte's obsession with misery, just watching a programme there on channel 5 it was about ballyfin hotel in laois, anyways the presenter was talking to the gardener and he happened to mention he was there since 67 and the convent that was there before took him in and gave him work as a maintenance guy, he said in passing he was an orphran, the presenter passed no remark on this and carried on chatting not a bother on her, now if it was one of our crew they'd have been in like Flynn to drill down for misery till they found something

Proper order too, those scumbag nuns inflicted massive abuse and misery on our society and yet some people still defend them.

They own private hospital chains worth billions but won't compensate their victims.

Hotblack Desiato · 30-01-2021 10:57PM

ShamNNspace wrote: »

Ok it was a boarding school not a convent my mistake, dismount from your high horse there for a minute, you completely misunderstood my comment, in fact it was just a passing comment on different styles of presenting between an English and an Irish broadcaster, an observation, an opinion if you will

So you're ok with twee Paddies on Parade but not any sort of serious reportage. Gotcha.

Hotblack Desiato · 30-01-2021 10:58PM

Elmo wrote: »

The "independent" report also mentioned the lack of regional Orchestras in the country. Though possibly not mentioning Big Bands.

Do you consider the Garda Band to be a big band? And the Army has a band also?

RTÉ did have a quartet at one point.

No, no you don't understand, Big Band = Swing jazz.

ShamNNspace · 30-01-2021 10:59PM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Proper order too, those scumbag nuns inflicted massive abuse and misery on our society and yet some people still defend them.

They own private hospital chains worth billions but won't compensate their victims.

It was a boarding school ran by the brothers as I've already been corrected on by esperello fair enough, nuns, christian brothers and the rights and wrongs of their institutions had nothing to do with my post, it was merely an observation on different styles of interviewing between an English and an Irish interviewer, there is no defence of any actions present or past in my post, I do hope you are not implying that there was

Hotblack Desiato · 30-01-2021 11:01PM

Twee nonsense brushing over the past excuses by omission the abuses which went on.

ShamNNspace · 30-01-2021 11:21PM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

So you're ok with twee Paddies on Parade but not any sort of serious reportage. Gotcha.

Ah give over and stop completely misrepresenting my post, you've no idea what im ok with or not

irishproduce · 01-02-2021 12:13AM

Eoghan Harris gives a good account of a new book about covid, about to hit our shelves this month, in today's Sindo. 100 days that changed the world: The Corona virus wars.
It would be great to have the author on the late late this month.
Maybe if RTE are reading they could consider it. It would be another perspective on the virus

fritzelly · 01-02-2021 12:44AM

irishproduce wrote: »

Eoghan Harris gives a good account of a new book about covid, about to hit our shelves this month, in today's Sindo. 100 days that changed the world: The Corona virus wars.
It would be great to have the author on the late late this month.
Maybe if RTE are reading they could consider it. It would be another perspective on the virus

Dunno - the LLS tends to not even mention covid

RabbleRouser2k · 01-02-2021 02:31AM

irishproduce wrote: »

Eoghan Harris gives a good account of a new book about covid, about to hit our shelves this month, in today's Sindo. 100 days that changed the world: The Corona virus wars.
It would be great to have the author on the late late this month.
Maybe if RTE are reading they could consider it. It would be another perspective on the virus

Even if the LLS wasn't creaming it's jeans at the thoughts of another Covid story, I don't think Eoghan can do interviews at the moment. I believe he's getting treatment for cancer.

irishproduce · 01-02-2021 10:02AM

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Even if the LLS wasn't creaming it's jeans at the thoughts of another Covid story, I don't think Eoghan can do interviews at the moment. I believe he's getting treatment for cancer.

No I was suggesting the books author be interviewed. Harris was just giving an account of the book in the paper.

RabbleRouser2k · 01-02-2021 10:07AM

irishproduce wrote: »

No I was suggesting the books author be interviewed. Harris was just giving an account of the book in the paper.

Ah,my apologies. Totally misread your post.

carq · 01-02-2021 10:28AM

So the orchestra get funded by the licence payer ?
Where does the money go from the concerts they put on with the likes of Jenny Greene and 'songs from the movies' etc?
Is this a side earner for them or does it go back to RTE ?

Public getting hit twice in the pocket

Elmo · 01-02-2021 10:40AM

carq wrote: »

So the orchestra get funded by the licence payer ?
Where does the money go from the concerts they put on with the likes of Jenny Greene and 'songs from the movies' etc?
Is this a side earner for them or does it go back to RTE ?

Public getting hit twice in the pocket

The Orchestra's earn around ~2m in ticket sales (including the Jenny Greene or John Willams or Star Wars products) each year, ~13m of their funding comes from the license fee and the other ~2m comes from ticket sales.

In 2021 this should become ~7m with ~1m from ticket sales. Though I suspect the move to the NCH will cost RTÉ millions, even thought the NCH got 8m for the move!

I would argue that RTÉ should produce full accounts for the Orchestra's rather than a basic overview of their income and expenditure. In reality the Orchestra's have little to do with the rest of the organization. The Broadcasting Authority of Ireland's reply to me about the "independent" report in to the Orchestras was "it has nothing to do with us" .... the authority of RTÉ takes no interest in the Orchestras or around 7% of their total costs!

Elmo · 03-02-2021 06:32PM

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0203/1194886-rte-proposes-pay-cuts-and-redundancies-to-reduce-costs/

Really not going to change anything. To me that reads, "we will except these cuts but only in the hope that the reform of the license fee will put the company on a secure footing."

Rather than working towards reforms with in RTÉ and showing the importance of RTÉ, the unions and RTÉ have at the last minute had to cut wages and offer redundancy packages. Much of this could have been avoided if the organization had reformed.

I sympathies with people getting pay cuts and losing their jobs, but the mis-management of the broadcaster over the last 10 years has lead to these cuts.

IMO.

fritzelly · 03-02-2021 06:40PM

They've been saying that for over a year (from the last time they had to be bailed out)
Also note it's only for 2 years then back to business as usual - totally pointless, what is going to change in 2 years that they suddenly won't be begging for more money from the government/us

Last round of redundancies was so inconsequential as to may have not bothered - why leave a cushy job, so cannot see it being any different this time.

And let's be realistic - these pay cuts amount to around 20 euro a week less on an already substantial wage - they won't be going hungry any time soon

Ash.J.Williams · 03-02-2021 07:01PM

Staff earning over 40k is the ordinary joes

The big fish are contractors

Brendan Bendar · 03-02-2021 07:25PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Staff earning over 40k is the ordinary joes

The big fish are contractors

Pure window dressing..... nobody should be taken in by this.

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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee poll not working - pl ignore