Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

fritzelly

Some loaded questions in that survey

Elmo

Maysa07 wrote: »

Now you all have a chance to, have your say .

A number of years back RTE held public meeting around the country.

Under the Broadcasting Act (2009), RTÉ is required to consult with the public and prepare a Public Service Statement every five years. This statement sets out the principles to be observed and activities to be undertaken by RTÉ in order to fulfil its public service objects.

www.rte.ie/haveyoursay

well if that's not a joke what is, absolutely hopeless survey

Kivaro

fritzelly wrote: »

Some loaded questions in that survey

Just like the skewed Claire Byrne polls on RTE. They are experts at it.

Kivaro

Elmo wrote: »

well if that's not a joke what is, absolutely hopeless survey

After just taking a look, I recommend posters have a go. Specifically for questions like this:

Q2. To what extent do you agree or disagree with each of the following statements?
RTÉ is an organisation people in Ireland can be proud of:
RTÉ is an important part of Irish life:

I couldn't find an option more negative than "Disagree Strongly", so that's the one I picked.

It is unfortunate that you are forced, no matter what you do, so select this option on the question of "Please rank how important each of the following principles should be in guiding how RTÉ operates as a public service media organization.":
Creating content which reflects the diversity that exists in Ireland.

So you have to select the diversity response, even though it may be your least favourite option.

At the very end, you do get the opportunity to submit your own views of RTE.

EDIT: * Warning *. This is one hell of a long survey. Typical of RTE of course due to their interpretation of their own self-importance.

rightmove

click on the link and you see the video into with the words "Its YOURS" and a selection of faces behind the words. The selection consists of 5 women 3 white and 2 black and just 3 men whom are white. Oh my oh my they must have an unconscious bias against men in general and black men in particular....I suggest they need some diversity training from a black man from blanch.

RabbleRouser2k

Elmo wrote: »

Did Brendan O'Connor have someone on a few weeks ago about, but framed in a completely different manner. ???? :pac: saying nothing.

So did Joe Duffy- saw folks calling people Joe out on twitter.
(If I'm ever kidnapped, my coded 'I'm in danger' will be 'I'm happily sitting here listening to Joe Duffy. I never listen to him ever).

Anyways, lots of it is scaremongering. Lots of it is like 'your poor, innocent, sweet daughter will be selling herself, doing all sorts of disgusting things in the name of money'.

'But what if my son does it?'

'Ah sure, fair play to him.... entrepreneur... etc'...

Just high five either one... the scaremongering is just bullcrap. But that's the media for you.
Happy to scare people about the unknown.

Elmo

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

So did Joe Duffy- saw folks calling people Joe out on twitter.
(If I'm ever kidnapped, my coded 'I'm in danger' will be 'I'm happily sitting here listening to Joe Duffy. I never listen to him ever).

Anyways, lots of it is scaremongering. Lots of it is like 'your poor, innocent, sweet daughter will be selling herself, doing all sorts of disgusting things in the name of money'.

'But what if my son does it?'

'Ah sure, fair play to him.... entrepreneur... etc'...

Just high five either one... the scaremongering is just bullcrap. But that's the media for you.
Happy to scare people about the unknown.

I see your point but it was framed in a completely different manner, to even that.

Kivaro

Just a reminder that RTÉ have an online survey going on at the moment to find out what we think of them and what we want from them. Here are a couple of statements from the survey that we can have a say on:
RTÉ is an organisation people in Ireland can be proud of.
RTÉ is an important part of Irish life.

This is a good opportunity to convey to our national broadcaster our views on the job that they are doing at the moment:
https://www.rte.ie/haveyoursay

The J Stands for Jay

I was thinking at the weekend that if rte brought back No Disco, I'd probably stop all this complaining. Except for when I have my annual attempt at working the rte player for the kids to see the toy show.

Elmo

Kivaro wrote: »

Just a reminder that RTÉ have an online survey going on at the moment to find out what we think of them and what we want from them. Here are a couple of statements from the survey that we can have a say on:
RTÉ is an organisation people in Ireland can be proud of.
RTÉ is an important part of Irish life.

This is a good opportunity to convey to our national broadcaster our views on the job that they are doing at the moment:
https://www.rte.ie/haveyoursay

The survey is a load of BS, very little that you can disagree with and it is unlikely that they will ever meet any of the things suggested in the survey. You be better off writing into feedback@rte.ie or info@rte.ie, in that way they don't have to pretend they are listening to their audience.

RabbleRouser2k

News Item about a teenage girl helping to deliver twin calves.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Is this really news? Really? Reee-hee-heeelly?

I grew up on a farm, twin calves were hardly a rareity. Helped deliver calves quite often, couple of twins too.
Didn't get a news item about it.

And I'm not mocking the girl- would NEVER target a child. But rather, the cost of this 'news' item seemed like a waste of money.

RabbleRouser2k

Ten Pin wrote: »

"Thank you for registering your device for the forthcoming broadcasting charge, payment details will be sent to your ISP who will add the fee to your next bill and thereafter each month for 10 years.

Truth matters...
Trust matters...
We're all in this together....

Thanks folks,
Dee

<drives off in 21 Range Rover, laughing maniacally>"

Interesting article in the Irish examiner, RTe folks pretty much admitting the whole organization is stagnant, no new talent being hired or emerging, and pretty much no new blood for the last 6 or 7 years.

jippo nolan

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Interesting article in the Irish examiner, RTe folks pretty much admitting the whole organization is stagnant, no new talent being hired or emerging, and pretty much no new blood for the last 6 or 7 years.

A cesspool of mediocrity!

AndyBoBandy

Aren’t there 2 relatively new presenters on PrimeTime? (New to me anyway),

Though I fear and suspect that they are only there because they are somebodies cousin, or niece/nephew....

glenfieldman

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Aren’t there 2 relatively new presenters on PrimeTime? (New to me anyway),

Though I fear and suspect that they are only there because they are somebodies cousin, or niece/nephew....

Or the fact they tick woke boxes

rightmove

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

News Item about a teenage girl BOY helping to deliver twin calves.
.

Sorry that couldnt happen. Toxic masculinity

Elmo

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Interesting article in the Irish examiner, RTe folks pretty much admitting the whole organization is stagnant, no new talent being hired or emerging, and pretty much no new blood for the last 6 or 7 years.

Yeah there excuse for not producing anything is down to money, yet they have a massive staff of people.

As I said, RTÉ plan was cut content and get out the poor box.

It is strange that it took RTÉ's HR 18 months after her 65th birthday to tell the Producer to leave, I don't see how they could say they have a strick policy or that for new producers to get a change that older ones had to retire as it took them 18 months to get rid of her, and if they are so underfunded there would be no room to replace her, or replace the person who replaced her.

RTÉ should be asked who took over her role or if she was replace?

steddyeddy

jippo nolan wrote: »

A cesspool of mediocrity!

A cesspool of mediocratic nepotism. There's a large amount that only have jobs there because of who's private parts helped conceive them. Excuse the vulgarity but I think nepotism is vulgar.

RabbleRouser2k

rightmove wrote: »

Sorry that couldnt happen. Toxic masculinity

Again, wouldn't say anything about the child-it could have been a boy, girl, non-binary kid or whatever. I'd have no issue with that.

I wouldn't it had anything to do with masculinity/ femininity, but I've noticed it's RTE trying to make all these 'upbeat' positive stories after folks called them out for their 'Misery' porn.

The only thing is, they're just odd stories, frankly.

Made me wonder if someone in the family was represented by Noel Kelly.

Elmo

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Again, wouldn't say anything about the child-it could have been a boy, girl, non-binary kid or whatever. I'd have no issue with that.

I wouldn't it had anything to do with masculinity/ femininity, but I've noticed it's RTE trying to make all these 'upbeat' positive stories after folks called them out for their 'Misery' porn.

The only thing is, they're just odd stories, frankly.

Made me wonder if someone in the family was represented by Noel Kelly.

Kind of soft local report that RTÉ often do for Six-one from their local reporters.

99nsr125

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Interesting article in the Irish examiner, RTe folks pretty much admitting the whole organization is stagnant, no new talent being hired or emerging, and pretty much no new blood for the last 6 or 7 years.

There's no children's tv

That's where new talent has traditionally come from

RabbleRouser2k

99nsr125 wrote: »

There's no children's tv

That's where new talent has traditionally come from

Tradtionally, yes. But media has evolved quite a bit. There were/are some new faces who started out on youtube, then slowly found their way into RTe.
(Stephen Byrne got some notice from having a youtube channel. Helped him develop his presenting style. Not a bad presenter, imo. But your mileage may vary).

But he still found his way into Children's TV, and progressed from there. Bloody tragic there's no children's programming now.
But then again, they're trying to compete with Nickelodeon, CBBC, Cartoon Network, etc etc etc.

It's, sadly, not worth it.

fritzelly

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

But then again, they're trying to compete with Nickelodeon, CBBC, Cartoon Network, etc etc etc.

It's, sadly, not worth it.

By that logic RTE should just close up shop completely - what is the point of them when we have BBC, ITV, Sky, Netflix....

RabbleRouser2k

fritzelly wrote: »

By that logic RTE should just close up shop completely - what is the point of them when we have BBC, ITV, Sky, Netflix....

I was speaking more of 'divisions' in RTE. The children's programming was probably getting more expensive.
The rights to air these shows were probably getting more costly, (back in the day, many of these Murakami/ Wolf animated shows were made in IReland. So the rights were much lower for home produced content. But then those studios shut down). Nowadays, the likes of Nickelodeon or CArtoon Network are behemoths.

They produce these shows, monetize em, make money on the merchandise. It's a major business now.

They won't be able to compete. We see that with RTE's sports division now, which is shadow of what it once was. And they used to be seriously proud of their sports coverage.
Now, they're lucky to get GAA.

Elmo

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

I was speaking more of 'divisions' in RTE. The children's programming was probably getting more expensive.

Sorry there Children's department had seen cuts from I think 2004 until 2015 when it had stagnated for a few years at €10 million. They dropped the department in 2016, saying we are committed to kids TV and we are just farming it out to indpendents, meaning we are keeping it at €10million, they spend just €7 on Children's in 2016 and then in 2017 the cut it to €3m, its fluctuated between €3 and €5m since then or as RTÉ like to put it when talking about their top stars .... just 1% of our budget our spend goes on "other things".

The rights to air these shows were probably getting more costly, (back in the day, many of these Murakami/ Wolf animated shows were made in IReland. So the rights were much lower for home produced content. But then those studios shut down). Nowadays, the likes of Nickelodeon or CArtoon Network are behemoths.

In fairness RTÉ did little to support animation in the 1990s but by the 2000s they were focusing more on indo productions. Most US and UK programming come from the €25 million the spend each year on imports, part of this package of shows, most of these shows are cost between 2000 and 3000 per hour (AFAIK children's TV is even less) doesn't help that they repeat that bitchy Dance show from Canada consistently.

They produce these shows, monetize em, make money on the merchandise. It's a major business now.

Look at how Zig and Zag did in the ****ing 80s on Merchandising, RTÉ had a major show like THE DEN ready for that type of thing.

They won't be able to compete. We see that with RTE's sports division now, which is shadow of what it once was. And they used to be seriously proud of their sports coverage. Now, they're lucky to get GAA.

Few cuts to sport. Though I haven't full looked into this.

RabbleRouser2k

Elmo wrote: »

Sorry there Children's department had seen cuts from I think 2004 until 2015 when it had stagnated for a few years at €10 million. They dropped the department in 2016, saying we are committed to kids TV and we are just farming it out to indpendents, meaning we are keeping it at €10million, they spend just €7 on Children's in 2016 and then in 2017 the cut it to €3m, its fluctuated between €3 and €5m since then or as RTÉ like to put it when talking about their top stars .... just 1% of our budget our spend goes on "other things".



In fairness RTÉ did little to support animation in the 1990s but by the 2000s they were focusing more on indo productions. Most US and UK programming come from the €25 million the spend each year on imports, part of this package of shows, most of these shows are cost between 2000 and 3000 per hour (AFAIK children's TV is even less) doesn't help that they repeat that bitchy Dance show from Canada consistently.



Look at how Zig and Zag did in the ****ing 80s on Merchandising, RTÉ had a major show like THE DEN ready for that type of thing.

Different era, too. When there was far less options on TV, and not everyone had Sky. RTE were getting 1 million viewers (or more) per week on the Late Late Show. Zig and Zag were so popular, they were poached by the UK for the Big Breakfast.

I think the closest, RTE got, afterwards, was Podge and Rodge. Even made toys out of them.

But of course, the idea doesn't sell abroad. (Apparently, they tried a different property abroad, but it didn't take off).

Nowadays, RTE fudge the numbers. Even the Toy Show, which was usually a MASSIVE audience (easily edging close to 2 million when Gay Byne hosted it) now has to fudge the numbers with a 'it had an audience of over a million people.... *'

*In 180 countries, who probably tried to watch it with the RTE player, but gave up after 15 minutes.

They dare not release the real numbers now, lest they make the doves cry.

Few cuts to sport. Though I haven't full looked into this.

The funding probably hasn't changed too much, but that's the problem. Others are constantly outbidding them for the rights. Virgin Media 1 has major money behind them now, and so they'll be expanding their sports division more. As will Sky.

One of the things Eamon Dunphy denounced, when he left RTE, was how far the sports department had fallen from grace.

Brendan Bendar

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Different era, too. When there was far less options on TV, and not everyone had Sky. RTE were getting 1 million viewers (or more) per week on the Late Late Show. Zig and Zag were so popular, they were poached by the UK for the Big Breakfast.

I think the closest, RTE got, afterwards, was Podge and Rodge. Even made toys out of them.

But of course, the idea doesn't sell abroad. (Apparently, they tried a different property abroad, but it didn't take off).

Nowadays, RTE fudge the numbers. Even the Toy Show, which was usually a MASSIVE audience (easily edging close to 2 million when Gay Byne hosted it) now has to fudge the numbers with a 'it had an audience of over a million people.... *'

*In 180 countries, who probably tried to watch it with the RTE player, but gave up after 15 minutes.

They dare not release the real numbers now, lest they make the doves cry.



The funding probably hasn't changed too much, but that's the problem. Others are constantly outbidding them for the rights. Virgin Media 1 has major money behind them now, and so they'll be expanding their sports division more. As will Sky.

One of the things Eamon Dunphy denounced, when he left RTE, was how far the sports department had fallen from grace.

Payin dudes like him 240k was probably one of the reasons.

Elmo

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Different era, too. When there was far less options on TV, and not everyone had Sky. RTE were getting 1 million viewers (or more) per week on the Late Late Show. Zig and Zag were so popular, they were poached by the UK for the Big Breakfast.

I think the closest, RTE got, afterwards, was Podge and Rodge. Even made toys out of them.

But of course, the idea doesn't sell abroad. (Apparently, they tried a different property abroad, but it didn't take off).

RTÉ still had The Den for years after that, I think all of the characters from The Den were merchandised by Double Z (fortunately for them RTÉ didn't hold those rights).

I am pointing out that in a small market like Ireland that is really tiny they were able to get something from merchadizing, by the 1990s they've also got the UK on board so that does not count as much. (BTW while Ireland is small, I don't think it is that small even back then, but that's just my opinion).

Even still RTÉ have cut funding drastically to children's TV, in the last 5 years, not by the 25% that they had cuts by, but by nearly 75%.

Look at how much adulation that they have got from just producing Home School Hub, Children's TV is worth that in PR alone, and good animation will also sell abroad.

RabbleRouser2k

Elmo wrote: »

RTÉ still had The Den for years after that, I think all of the characters from The Den were merchandised by Double Z (fortunately for them RTÉ didn't hold those rights).

I am pointing out that in a small market like Ireland that is really tiny they were able to get something from merchadizing, by the 1990s they've also got the UK on board so that does not count as much. (BTW while Ireland is small, I don't think it is that small even back then, but that's just my opinion).

Even still RTÉ have cut funding drastically to children's TV, in the last 5 years, not by the 25% that they had cuts by, but by nearly 75%.

Look at how much adulation that they have got from just producing Home School Hub, Children's TV is worth that in PR alone, and good animation will also sell abroad.

Much of the adulation was PR tho. My cousin has 3 young children-they find the homeschool hub thing useless. What they want to learn is math, english, irish etc. What they get is none of the above.

As far as animation goes... Ireland produces quite a bit of animation. But it's a mixed bag in terms of success.

For example, there was quite a bit of PR about a new Flintstones show being produced in IReland by Salty Dog studios. Got a lot of attention in the press. By the time the show came out... it didn't. As in it's never aired in the US, and wasn't shown over here either.
For good reason too-you can find the episodes online, and the quality on display is lacklustre. (It's name is Yabba Dabba Dinosaurs). Before the show aired, the studio who financed it were unhappy with the results, and so it got a one season order of 13 episodes, cut down from 22.

While the big film productions get attention (Wolfwalkers, for example) they don't recoup their budgets very quickly. Some of their earlier movies are still recouping their budget. (Wolfwalkers suffered by being on the little seen Apple TV, and also being hit by a pandemic. It's audience was miniscule when compared to the likes of Soul or Klaus). Once the money comes in, they have to pay it back to the people who helped finance their films.

Similar when they do TV shows. IT can take 7 years to get funding for a TV project. And just as long to repay the financers.

Elmo

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Much of the adulation was PR tho. My cousin has 3 young children-they find the homeschool hub thing useless. What they want to learn is math, english, irish etc. What they get is none of the above.

Have they tried TG4 Cula4 Sa Scoil?

My point really is this. RTÉ cut funding when they said they wouldn't. As a public service broadcaster IMO there are 2 area that are worth more than all the Because .... and RTÉ Supporting the Arts ... PR stunts and that's both Children's and Drama. This is regardless of if they make money.

Love/Hate for example only did relatively well internationally, but from a national perspective it was a huge hit.
The same goes for Home School Hub its make children's TV and the PR from it is noticable.

You get rid of these (which RTÉ have) and all your left with is

RTÉ Because....... Just Because ...... Just Because