Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

Elmo

political analyst wrote: »

Given RTÉ's financial predicament, why is it still wasting money on the unadulterated crap 'Pulling with My Parents'?

Not even Virgin Media (the former TV3) bothers with Irish reality shows anymore - the only reality shows it has are imports from the UK.

Gogglebox Ireland remains one of their most important shows.

Atlantic Dawn

Would RTE rather US taxpayers money was spent outside this country instead?

Protection for then-president Donald Trump's two-day visit to his golf resort in Doonbeg, Co Clare, in June 2019 cost the US Secret Service more than $524,000.

Back in May 2019, ahead of his visit to Ireland, Donald Trump said that he would be staying at his golf resort in Doonbeg because it was "convenient".

https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2021/0125/1191961-doonbeg-trump-trip/

elperello

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Would RTE rather US taxpayers money was spent outside this country instead?

I doubt it.

Brian O'Donovan simply put in an FOI in Washington and made an interesting report out of it.

I just heard C Perry on the TV news making the point that such visits inject quite a bit of money into the local economy.

I expect Trumps next visit will cost a few bob as well but a bit more low key.

RabbleRouser2k

Elmo wrote: »

Gogglebox Ireland remains one of their most important shows.

Is that reality TV though? I mean, there's no phone in competition. Nobody is voted out.

Rubberchikken

Does anyone actually watch rte2?

Young people aren't, on the whole, watching rte in any form not listening to their radio stations.

Why would they when there's much better choice to be had on sky, netflix amazon etc.

AndyBoBandy

Rubberchikken wrote: »

Does anyone actually watch rte2?

maybe, just maybe, if they are showing a sport game I'd have a mild interest in watching.... but even these days that'd be a stretch for me.

RabbleRouser2k

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

maybe, just maybe, if they are showing a sport game I'd have a mild interest in watching.... but even these days that'd be a stretch for me.

Same. And since sports was reduced, greatly, due to the pandemic... I don't watch that channel at all.

Scotty #

Rubberchikken wrote: »

Does anyone actually watch rte2?

3rd most watched channel in Ireland believe it or not, after RTE1 and VM1. As many people in Ireland watch RTE2 and BBC1&2 combined!

All conventional TV is declining though with On Demand & Online slowly but surely taking over.

RabbleRouser2k

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Same. And since sports was reduced, greatly, due to the pandemic... I don't watch that channel at all.

they lost the majority of good sports tbf, lost Champions league bar one crappy match (which only united or Liverpool are shown - Chelsea fan) ....Ryle Nugent's obsession's with only making an effort in putting on rugby when he had the chance and (when they lost the rugby games people want to watch) him selecting underage Rugby instead of other sports - killed the sports variety on the network

RabbleRouser2k

Wesley Teeny Oasis wrote: »

they lost the majority of good sports tbf, lost Champions league bar one crappy match (which only united or Liverpool are shown - Chelsea fan) ....Ryle Nugent's obsession's with only making an effort in putting on rugby when he had the chance and (when they lost the rugby games people want to watch) him selecting underage Rugby instead of other sports - killed the sports variety on the network

Ryle was a disaster. Folks working in RTE, at the time, were very critical of the sports Dept. Very rare for employees to speak out about their employer while still employed there.
But that's how bad it had gotten. Didn't help they lost so much of the talent too.

Elmo

Scotty # wrote: »

3rd most watched channel in Ireland believe it or not, after RTE1 and VM1. As many people in Ireland watch RTE2 and BBC1&2 combined!

All conventional TV is declining though with On Demand & Online slowly but surely taking over.

Scotty we've been through this in 2020 RTÉ2 will still be 3rd most watched but it down to 4.46% of the TV view audience. In 2016 it was nearly the 2nd most watched TV channel just pipped by TV3 and UTV Ireland, since the demise of UTV Ireland it has become the 3rd most watch channel from 4th but has lost its audience share! (Note: Actually RTÉ2 was still 3rd, when you discount UTV proper from 2015 and 2016)

Irish TV broadcasters represent just 45% of the total viewing audience, 55% of people watch English TV. And I know "...but there are far more stations", vast majority are watching BBC, ITV, Sky and C4 channels. The failure of Irish Broadcasters to create new digital TV station in the early years of Digital TV is all to apparent. Indeed according to BARB BBC 1, 2, ITV and C4 still manage a 41% share, compared to RTÉ 1, 2, VMT1 and TG4's 36%.

You might think that in some way RTÉ2 is yuff but its has really no aim, most of its alternative programmes have moved to RTÉ Player and there is a huge question to the quality of those shows, most are just You Tube videos at best.

And as pointed out RTÉ2's yearly audience share relies on Sport. In 2020 it could have reached 15% during the world cup and 10% during the olympics, giving them a 7% share for the year, the lack of these "special events" or "events that occur on a 4 year basis" has caused that hemorrhage of viewers along with the lack of news and other content on the channel.

Also RTÉ's 2024 strategy moves big sporting events to RTÉ ONE.

Broadcast still has a lot to offer.

Scotty #

Elmo wrote: »

Scotty we've been through this in 2020 RTÉ2 will still be 3rd most watched but but but...

Elmo why the constant need to elaborate on everything I say? Have I posted anything that was incorrect??

All I said was that RTE2 is the 3rd most popular channel in the state, which it is, after a poster questioned if anyone still watched it. You've agreed that it is the 3rd most popular channel but have to go into a rant about it anyway.

Some might call it trolling.

Elmo

Scotty # wrote: »

Elmo why the constant need to elaborate on everything I say? Have I posted anything that was incorrect??

All I said was that RTE2 is the 3rd most popular channel in the state, which it is, after a poster questioned if anyone still watched it. You've agreed that it is the 3rd most popular channel but have to go into a rant about it anyway.

Some might call it trolling.

RTÉ2 is the 3rd most popular channel in the state, largely due to sport.

TG4 is the 6th most popular channel in the state. 1.8% share

RTÉ2 once had a 10% share, while TG4 once had a 3.1% share.

These are pure headlines from both RTÉ2 and TG4, I have no problem with TG4 but RTÉ2 well if I was interested in live sport during the summer I am sure I would watch.

I didn't say you were wrong, I am only pointing out a different way of interpreting those figures.

It is not trolling I am just putting a different view from your own. I am sorry if you think it is trolling.

iseegirls

RTE2's top rated programme last week was Rick Stein's Secret France with 87,000, followed by Great American Railroad Journeys (72k), Home And Away (71k) and Treasures From The Bog (69k). Repeat of Young Offenders at 9pm on Thursday is their highest "home produced" (shared with BBC) with 51,000.

Hop back 5 years ago - RTE2 had The X Files, Blue Bloods and Grey's Anatomy over 100k weekly in Jan 2016. Don't Tell The Bride 127k avg.

10 years ago, Grey's Anatomy reached 325k for one episode, Shameless (199k) along with home produced programming like Katherine Lynch's Working Girls (154k), ICA Bootcamp (153k), Premier Soccer Saturday (148k), Savage Eye (135k)

15 years ago, Desperate Housewives - huge for the channel - 340k, with other home produced programming like Anonymous (229k), Des Bishop: Joy in the Hood (207k)

The fall from grace for the channel has been amazing. In saying that, all channels have fallen a lot - all the soaps are down about 50% of it's audience over 10-15 years. But for RTE2 they seemed to have really fallen behind. Really poor US and UK acquisitions, poorly scheduled, very little home produced programming, a RTE Teen/Jnr strand in the afternoon that seems to be on repeat also lobs in Shortland Street in the middle between Simpsons and the Aussie soaps.

RabbleRouser2k

iseegirls wrote: »

RTE2's top rated programme last week was Rick Stein's Secret France with 87,000, followed by Great American Railroad Journeys (72k), Home And Away (71k) and Treasures From The Bog (69k). Repeat of Young Offenders at 9pm on Thursday is their highest "home produced" (shared with BBC) with 51,000.

Hop back 5 years ago - RTE2 had The X Files, Blue Bloods and Grey's Anatomy over 100k weekly in Jan 2016. Don't Tell The Bride 127k avg.

10 years ago, Grey's Anatomy reached 325k for one episode, Shameless (199k) along with home produced programming like Katherine Lynch's Working Girls (154k), ICA Bootcamp (153k), Premier Soccer Saturday (148k), Savage Eye (135k)

15 years ago, Desperate Housewives - huge for the channel - 340k, with other home produced programming like Anonymous (229k), Des Bishop: Joy in the Hood (207k)

The fall from grace for the channel has been amazing. In saying that, all channels have fallen a lot - all the soaps are down about 50% of it's audience over 10-15 years. But for RTE2 they seemed to have really fallen behind. Really poor US and UK acquisitions, poorly scheduled, very little home produced programming, a RTE Teen/Jnr strand in the afternoon that seems to be on repeat also lobs in Shortland Street in the middle between Simpsons and the Aussie soaps.

God that's depressing. The drop I mean.
Tbf, I probably watch more youtube and streaming services now than I do television. I think I tune into the news, and that's it. But I usually tune into the BBC news, over the RTE news.

Elmo

Just wanted to say that for me its not about how good audience are or if RTÉ are make a loss.

I just want quality content and in some cases just content.

I may never have any interest in the content that RTÉ provide, but they should provide content.

Dead Still might not have got an audience, but at least it was produced.
I might think The Southwesterlies is the biggest load of crap, but at least it was produced.

But that few and far between.

My parents watch RTÉ a good bit, they've moved over to TG4 on occasion and they're other channel hopping really is Discovery channels like Quest, DMax or UKTV channels like Yesterday, also ITV4 and maybe Sony Channel for Classic WWTBAM, these are RTÉ viewers and even they don't even seem all that impressed.

jmcc

iseegirls wrote: »

RTE2's top rated programme last week was Rick Stein's Secret France with 87,000, followed by Great American Railroad Journeys (72k), Home And Away (71k) and Treasures From The Bog (69k). Repeat of Young Offenders at 9pm on Thursday is their highest "home produced" (shared with BBC) with 51,000.

Hop back 5 years ago - RTE2 had The X Files, Blue Bloods and Grey's Anatomy over 100k weekly in Jan 2016. Don't Tell The Bride 127k avg.

10 years ago, Grey's Anatomy reached 325k for one episode, Shameless (199k) along with home produced programming like Katherine Lynch's Working Girls (154k), ICA Bootcamp (153k), Premier Soccer Saturday (148k), Savage Eye (135k)

15 years ago, Desperate Housewives - huge for the channel - 340k, with other home produced programming like Anonymous (229k), Des Bishop: Joy in the Hood (207k)

The fall from grace for the channel has been amazing. In saying that, all channels have fallen a lot - all the soaps are down about 50% of it's audience over 10-15 years. But for RTE2 they seemed to have really fallen behind. Really poor US and UK acquisitions, poorly scheduled, very little home produced programming, a RTE Teen/Jnr strand in the afternoon that seems to be on repeat also lobs in Shortland Street in the middle between Simpsons and the Aussie soaps.

It may also be due to improvements in how viewing audiences are monitored. As most of the population is in cities with cable networks that require subscriptions and settop boxes, that means that viewing figures can be more accurately "monitored" for advertising purposes (of course). Ten years ago, Cablelink/NTL/UPC/Virgin was still carrying analogue channels which required no STB.

Regards...jmcc

Elmo

jmcc wrote: »

It may also be due to improvements in how viewing audiences are monitored. As most of the population is in cities with cable networks that require subscriptions and settop boxes, that means that viewing figures can be more accurately "monitored" for advertising purposes (of course). Ten years ago, Cablelink/NTL/UPC/Virgin was still carrying analogue channels which required no STB.

Regards...jmcc

TAM Ireland have a viewing panel, I don't think they are using digital in that way. It's a daily look at the viewing habits of 1000 or so households. You would need to give permission to allow Sky and Virgin to allow TAM Ireland to use your data for viewing figures. Same goes for BARB in the UK, though their panel is larger.

retalivity

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Ryle was a disaster. Folks working in RTE, at the time, were very critical of the sports Dept. Very rare for employees to speak out about their employer while still employed there.
But that's how bad it had gotten. Didn't help they lost so much of the talent too.

God he was awful, I remember him doing football once and he hadn't a clue. And how do you go from a commentator to head of sport?? Actually, I think I already know...


I see he know works for Channel 4 - talk about failing upwards.

RabbleRouser2k

retalivity wrote: »

God he was awful, I remember him doing football once and he hadn't a clue. And how do you go from a commentator to head of sport?? Actually, I think I already know...


I see he know works for Channel 4 - talk about failing upwards.

They tried Aidan Power on Sports (he who is now at Ireland AM)... it was a genuine 'what are you doing?' moment.

Aidan was no Bill O'Herlihy.

Scotty #

retalivity wrote: »

God he was awful, I remember him doing football once and he hadn't a clue.

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

They tried Aidan Power... Aidan was no Bill O'Herlihy.

Lads have ye not been reading the thread? Any trained monkey on minimum wage can present TV.

Elmo

Scotty # wrote: »

Lads have ye not been reading the thread? Any trained monkey on minimum wage can present TV.

A monkey with a personality :pac:

The J Stands for Jay

Scotty # wrote: »

Lads have ye not been reading the thread? Any trained monkey on minimum wage can present TV.

See Ray D'Arcy for evidence

McGaggs

McGaggs wrote: »

See Ray D'Arcy for evidence

I think Ray needs a refresher course. Especially on the sound desk.

fritzelly

Deleted User wrote: »

I think Ray needs a refresher course. Especially on the sound desk.

Maybe a beginners course would be a better start!

To think in one of his recent interviews (i.e. I need to be relevant so I need some puff piece in a rag website) he said he's always fearful of being fired and having to be a wedding DJ - god save the couple that would ever hire him

RabbleRouser2k

fritzelly wrote: »

Maybe a beginners course would be a better start!

To think in one of his recent interviews (i.e. I need to be relevant so I need some puff piece in a rag website) he said he's always fearful of being fired and having to be a wedding DJ - god save the couple that would ever hire him

'And Betty and James requested 'Baby it's Cold outside' as their first dance as a couple...

....Awww...

But we won't be playing that, because that song's problematic and encourages rape culture, so here's 'Perfect' by Ed Sheeran instead'.

AndyBoBandy

Ray’s been on €450k a year for the last few years (paying contractor tax), so if he hasn’t got his financial future handsomely secured at this stage he is indeed a very silly man.

RabbleRouser2k

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Ray’s been on €450k a year for the last few years (paying contractor tax), so if he hasn’t got his financial future handsomely secured at this stage he is indeed a very silly man.

Gerry Ryan was another fella on huge money, but never had spare change.

We all know, now, why that was. If Ray was one of those unfortunate people who bought property that's now worth nothing, or invested it in schemes that are now worth nothing, then that might explain why he's not... wise with money. That and why he's still working.

I'd say the flop of his chatshow has probably dented his value somewhat.

Kivaro

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Gerry Ryan was another fella on huge money, but never had spare change.

We all know, now, why that was. If Ray was one of those unfortunate people who bought property that's now worth nothing, or invested it in schemes that are now worth nothing, then that might explain why he's not... wise with money. That and why he's still working.

I'd say the flop of his chatshow has probably dented his value somewhat.

He has a chat show?

For Forks Sake

fritzelly wrote: »

To think in one of his recent interviews (i.e. I need to be relevant so I need some puff piece in a rag website) he said he's always fearful of being fired and having to be a wedding DJ - god save the couple that would ever hire him

Can you imaging having that miserable yoke as your wedding DJ?

"stay away from that wedding cake now, too many empty calories"