Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

RabbleRouser2k

Kivaro wrote: »

He has a chat show?

Had... it was quietly killed off after an embarassing run.

Lucky for Ray, he blamed covid for it ending.

https://www.rsvplive.ie/news/celebs/rtes-ray-darcy-explains-saturday-22975183

Maysa07

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It used to be the case that the Main Evening News bulletin (usually broadcast at or some time before or after 9 on Saturday) was shown some time after 11 on the evening of the Eurovision Song Contest Final. However, the increased number of countries involved in the contest means the coverage is much longer.

On the evening of the final in 2019, the bulletin wasn't broadcast at all. Given that I had read the TV schedule for that evening, I wasn't surprised. But I was astonished that viewers didn't even bat an eyelid at this!

Why couldn't RTÉ have just shown the bulletin on RTÉ2 instead? That's what was done when the final and the announcement of the same-sex marriage referendum took place on the same day.

celt262

political analyst wrote: »

It used to be the case that the Main Evening News bulletin (usually broadcast at or some time before or after 9 on Saturday) was shown some time after 11 on the evening of the Eurovision Song Contest Final. However, the increased number of countries involved in the contest means the coverage is much longer.

On the evening of the final in 2019, the bulletin wasn't broadcast at all. Given that I had read the TV schedule for that evening, I wasn't surprised. But I was astonished that viewers didn't even bat an eyelid at this!

Why couldn't RTÉ have just shown the bulletin on RTÉ2 instead? That's what was done when the final and the announcement of the same-sex marriage referendum took place on the same day.

Has this been eating you up all this time?

political analyst

political analyst wrote: »

It used to be the case that the Main Evening News bulletin (usually broadcast at or some time before or after 9 on Saturday) was shown some time after 11 on the evening of the Eurovision Song Contest Final. However, the increased number of countries involved in the contest means the coverage is much longer.

On the evening of the final in 2019, the bulletin wasn't broadcast at all. Given that I had read the TV schedule for that evening, I wasn't surprised. But I was astonished that viewers didn't even bat an eyelid at this!

Why couldn't RTÉ have just shown the bulletin on RTÉ2 instead? That's what was done when the final and the announcement of the same-sex marriage referendum took place on the same day.

How could you??! Coming on here with your sensible suggestions, wondering why RTE is as it is, with its numerous foibles and idiosyncrasies, and by so doing utterly dismissing the union issues, not to mention custom and practice??

Elmo

Maysa07 wrote: »

The Future of Media Commission Online Thematic Dialogue is taking place today at 4:30 if any of you would like to register and fire some questions.

I bet that they only allow questions via text and no time to allow people to ask a question, I asked a question at the FIS summit which was reduced down to the first part, had people been given the ability to ask a question they could put it as they like not in the way the moderator wants to call it out. Hopefully we will get to ask rather than type.

Elmo

political analyst wrote: »

It used to be the case that the Main Evening News bulletin (usually broadcast at or some time before or after 9 on Saturday) was shown some time after 11 on the evening of the Eurovision Song Contest Final. However, the increased number of countries involved in the contest means the coverage is much longer.

On the evening of the final in 2019, the bulletin wasn't broadcast at all. Given that I had read the TV schedule for that evening, I wasn't surprised. But I was astonished that viewers didn't even bat an eyelid at this!

Why couldn't RTÉ have just shown the bulletin on RTÉ2 instead? That's what was done when the final and the announcement of the same-sex marriage referendum took place on the same day.

RTÉ had cut their late night bulletins at that point. The Friday night news on ONE was pretty much a replacement for NEWS2/NEWS ON 2 which used to air Monday - Thursday, it was always an extended edition of the late news on RTÉ ONE which no longer exists. Along with News on 2 and Morning news bulletins on RTÉ ONE.

I think the only TV news bulletins are now at lunch time on RTÉ ONE on Sat and Sun along with a bulletin before the TODAY show.

RTE2's only news is News2Day.

Not forgetting that 2FM lost its nightly news bulletins also.

This is an organisation that runs a 24 hour news channel !!!!!

Sorry the Late Night News Bulletin was re-Eurovision, so it aired on Saturday night and went out because the 9 news was moved from the schedule for the Eurovision, but the above still applies.

political analyst

celt262 wrote: »

Has this been eating you up all this time?

I think it's worth mentioning because it's unprecedented.

Hotblack Desiato

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

very good value. Especially for LyricFM

The orchestras are a complete waste of money. The general public are not forced to subsidise any other types of music. It's not as if people can't listen to whatever they want from around the world for free anyway.

Elmo

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

The orchestras are a complete waste of money. The general public are not forced to subsidise any other types of music. It's not as if people can't listen to whatever they want from around the world for free anyway.

NSO has moved to NCH, with €8m going to it from budget 2021.

99nsr125

Scotty # wrote: »

Yes, but they bring in no revenue, so it's funded entirely from the licence fee.

The big presenters bring in ad revenue, and therefor are not funded by the licence fee.

They do in their fuk

1874

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

The orchestras are a complete waste of money. The general public are not forced to subsidise any other types of music. It's not as if people can't listen to whatever they want from around the world for free anyway.

I would disagree with that, Id have an Orchestra or two paid and sack all the top earners (arent they private contractors anyway to get around tax, so it should be used against them), I consider an Orchestra of musicians is more valuable than the handful of top earners, who imo are holding up positions, especially the like Joe Duffy, that guy is painful to listen to, is an Orchestra? Ray Darcy stutters a good bit too and seems to fumble his way through stuff, I would point blank turn him off if I happened to come across him and I did not use to mind him because he seemed more young at heart, but he has gotten quite self righteous imo and at one point I heard him cutting down someone, I had enough.
Now I did used to think Tubridy wasnt bad on the Radio, I used to have him on when I was driving home but there was a risk of falling asleep, so he was moderately lively, I dont think he should be on TV, awful.
Dont listen to any of them anymore, it'd be by chance.

Whatever they do does not justifiably command the money they are on, if they think so RTE should let them see how much they can get, small fish in a very small pond, wouldnt get the adulation and pay for the same work in the UK.

Elmo wrote: »

NSO has moved to NCH, with €8m going to it from budget 2021.

Could you elaborate, they arent within the remit of RTE?

retalivity

Whatever happened the second orchestra, where is that?

Who the hell produces the Late LATE and allowed that supposedly "light entertainment" show to see the light of day with one misery story after another...dont we get enough of it with the news/prime time/Claire Byrne ....It comes off as a show dedicated to getting Joe Duffy aroused

RabbleRouser2k

Wesley Teeny Oasis wrote: »

Who the hell produces the Late LATE and allowed that supposedly "light entertainment" show to see the light of day with one misery story after another...dont we get enough of it with the news/prime time/Claire Byrne ....It comes off as a show dedicated to getting Joe Duffy aroused

The promotion of Pieta House was sickening.

https://www.echo.ie/lucan/article/pieta-house-criticised-over-salaries-of-staff

Pieta has been raking in money, but those who need it are being abandoned. Some of their locations are closing down, across the country... relying on volunteers who've helped out close friends of mine (and some extended family) and yet the organisation is squandering money (and this is pre-covid, not post covid).

fritzelly

Wesley Teeny Oasis wrote: »

Who the hell produces the Late LATE and allowed that supposedly "light entertainment" show to see the light of day with one misery story after another...dont we get enough of it with the news/prime time/Claire Byrne ....It comes off as a show dedicated to getting Joe Duffy aroused

RTE has been misery 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for a long time now

Pretty much every show on RTE radio HAS to have at least one misery slot to make sure we never feel happy with our lives

RTE One is completely devoid of entertainment in fact more a case of forcing misery down your throat every evening is their warped sense of entertainment
LLS being a prime example of if you're not feeling miserable you should be ashamed of yourself - it's like the Catholic church all over

It's quite sickening that we are paying for this (and soon to be everyone will be forced to pay for it) when you look at other broadcasters around the world who actually provide entertainment (and in many places you don't even have to pay a licence fee)

RabbleRouser2k

fritzelly wrote: »

RTE has been misery 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for a long time now

Pretty much every show on RTE radio HAS to have at least one misery slot to make sure we never feel happy with our lives

RTE One is completely devoid of entertainment in fact more a case of forcing misery down your throat every evening is their warped sense of entertainment
LLS being a prime example of if you're not feeling miserable you should be ashamed of yourself - it's like the Catholic church all over

It's quite sickening that we are paying for this (and soon to be everyone will be forced to pay for it) when you look at other broadcasters around the world who actually provide entertainment (and in many places you don't even have to pay a licence fee)

It's worse that there's few if any options right now, because folks are being hit in the pocket. And they can't go out.

So it's just 'stay home, watch tv'... tune into the most depressing thing on TV outside of a repeat of Schindler's List.

fritzelly

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

It's worse that there's few if any options right now, because folks are being hit in the pocket. And they can't go out.

So it's just 'stay home, watch tv'... tune into the most depressing thing on TV outside of a repeat of Schindler's List.

Or Mrs Brown Boys Christmas Special in summer - like WTF, do they even bother

Atlantic Dawn

retalivity wrote: »

Whatever happened the second orchestra, where is that?

What I don't understand is whoy doesn't RTE tell Dept Of Music People, Arts (whatever it's called now) that financing of the Orchestras should not fall under their remit and exposure to this blowing of money should be to a government agency only.

RabbleRouser2k

I see many were irritated and ticked off by the Late Late's obsession with Covid.

Plenty of tweets speaking about this.

Montage of Feck

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

The promotion of Pieta House was sickening.

https://www.echo.ie/lucan/article/pieta-house-criticised-over-salaries-of-staff

Pieta has been raking in money, but those who need it are being abandoned. Some of their locations are closing down, across the country... relying on volunteers who've helped out close friends of mine (and some extended family) and yet the organisation is squandering money (and this is pre-covid, not post covid).

The mental health sector is saturated with shysters at the moment, from unqualified "celebs" self promotion to the charities themselves. Again and again we have seen that when essential services are left in the hands of ngo's it leads to abuses.

1874

Montage of Feck wrote: »

The mental health sector is saturated with shysters at the moment, from unqualified "celebs" self promotion to the charities themselves. Again and again we have seen that when essential services are left in the hands of ngo's it leads to abuses.

I may be accused of being incorrect, but this farming out of services is what I describe/have come to learn/know as Neo-liberalism or at least one part of it.
One part is the excuse to farm out what should be public/state services to private entities, some may be better at managing certain aspects of the problems they cater to, but many may not. It seems like an excuse to pay directors of these organisations a hefty salary, of unknown qualification, while hard working volunteers or staff get get nothing or very poor recompense.
I see no reason why many charities which seem to overlap could not fall under one umbrella and be subsumed into either an organisation that at least has oversight of a professional body, to protect those working at the lower end of the scale, to ensure it is effective at what it does and not filled with charlatans or unqualified individuals, they should certain performance indicators, although the HSE itself could do with an organisational review, many staff are actual professionals, and necessary, Id say there is just a historic organisational record of not managing resources in of itself.
The names of all charities should be on a state (possibly HSE) accessible list online, with their charity ID/code thats often flouted, what the limits and remit of their charity, a measure of their effectiveness (ie do they actually meet key indicators and what they are), what CEO's get paid.


I support 2 charities, with small monthly amounts, but I really need to review both.

Mal-Adjusted

Wesley Teeny Oasis wrote: »

Who the hell produces the Late LATE and allowed that supposedly "light entertainment" show to see the light of day with one misery story after another...dont we get enough of it with the news/prime time/Claire Byrne ....It comes off as a show dedicated to getting Joe Duffy aroused

Welcome to the Late Late Show. Tonight I'll be talking to finance minister Paschal Donohoe ahead of next weeks budget, our musical guest is Kodaline playing from their new album. Then i'll be speaking to Maura who tragically lost her entire family in a house fire before Russel Crowe drops in to talk about his latest film. All that and more, don't go away!

StevenToast

The late late show needs to go...wheel out tubridy for the toy show once a year...

A 10k appearance fee...

Represents 490k saving...

Youre welcome Dee..

Elmo

1874 wrote: »

Could you elaborate, they arent within the remit of RTE?

As part of budget 2021 The NSO was moved to the NCH. 8m in additional funding was given to the NCH for this move.

This followed on from an "independent" report commissioned by RTÉ which advised of different options for the orchestras.

No change
Close either of them
Move NSO to NCH with RTÉ involvement
And a few others

However it did not suggest no involvement from RTÉ on the move, which has happened.

I assume the move will cost much more than assumed.

For Forks Sake

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

The promotion of Pieta House was sickening.

https://www.echo.ie/lucan/article/pieta-house-criticised-over-salaries-of-staff

Pieta has been raking in money, but those who need it are being abandoned. Some of their locations are closing down, across the country... relying on volunteers who've helped out close friends of mine (and some extended family) and yet the organisation is squandering money (and this is pre-covid, not post covid).

It's alright, Jebus is minding the accounts for them :rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/newsworthy_ie/status/1036994445118464000

political analyst

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

It's worse that there's few if any options right now, because folks are being hit in the pocket. And they can't go out.

So it's just 'stay home, watch tv'... tune into the most depressing thing on TV outside of a repeat of Schindler's List.

At least that would have educational value.

Hotblack Desiato

For Forks Sake wrote: »

It's alright, Jebus is minding the accounts for them :rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/newsworthy_ie/status/1036994445118464000

An absolute shyster but she and some voters thought she was qualified to be President!

The whole charity industry in Ireland is rotten to the core and infested with religious nutcases in a position to take advantage of vulnerable people.

Hotblack Desiato

Elmo wrote: »

NSO has moved to NCH, with €8m going to it from budget 2021.

We're still paying for it.

Why is one specific type of music subsidised by the taxpayer? Let's face it it only appeals to a tiny minority of people and is completely elitist.

Elmo

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

We're still paying for it.

Why is one specific type of music subsidised by the taxpayer? Let's face it it only appeals to a tiny minority of people and is completely elitist.

NSO and NCO have a wider remit as cultural organisations, I think RTÉ have rarely used them properly. Even that "independent" reported pointed out how little they were used on TV and even Radio with I think a weekly show on Lyric and the "independent" report even put the 4 times the NCO was on TV over a 2 year period, rather then just saying 2 times in the last year.

During COVID they've been used more on TV but not much.

Classical music is an important aspect of culture and music culture. However the cost of both should be under review, it seems to me the Government has given the NSO an extra 2m in funding in 2021 and that the 15m that they were given by RTÉ from the license fee should be fully reviewed.

The NCO got a new logo last year, why? RTÉ were unwilling to release it costs. what do you think?