Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) Mod warning in OP 22/01

History Queen · 30-01-2021 12:18PM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

A new report issued by the CSO and tucked away in the back pages of the times,course it wouldn't make the front page was interesting.

8/10 dying have an underlying illness and many if them had 3 serious underlying issues. Now dont worry the other 2 well let's break it down.

NOT A SINGLE RECORDED covid death between 0-24. There have been 25 deaths out of 194k positive clashes between the range of 25-45 as a percentage that is.....0.012 yes 1/10th of a percentage and yet schools are not opening...how os this in anyway an issue as long as single family bundles are adhered to.

The bottom line here is teachers do not want to work and this is evident in the constant homework given out with little feedback.

In most schools a teacher has their laptop hooked to an interactive white board, why can they not give PPT presentations over Zoom or Webex or teams...actually teach the children the concepts rather that shrieking the responsibility over to parents.

It's a disgrace the way kids are being abandoned.

The bottom line here is you don't understand the issues but decide to be outraged anyway.

wirelessdude01 · 30-01-2021 12:20PM

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

No actually I have given the news a skip in recent days. Besides, every time Norma announces something, it doesn't come to pass. And she is prone to hiding. I know they aren't opening on Feb 1 as originally planned, my question was around the replan date. Ok smarty?

They won't announce any dates until they are 100% sure they can actually follow through and achieve them. They need a win at this stage.

wirelessdude01 · 30-01-2021 12:21PM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

A new report issued by the CSO and tucked away in the back pages of the times,course it wouldn't make the front page was interesting.

8/10 dying have an underlying illness and many if them had 3 serious underlying issues. Now dont worry the other 2 well let's break it down.

NOT A SINGLE RECORDED covid death between 0-24. There have been 25 deaths out of 194k positive clashes between the range of 25-45 as a percentage that is.....0.012 yes 1/10th of a percentage and yet schools are not opening...how os this in anyway an issue as long as single family bundles are adhered to.

The bottom line here is teachers do not want to work and this is evident in the constant homework given out with little feedback.

In most schools a teacher has their laptop hooked to an interactive white board, why can they not give PPT presentations over Zoom or Webex or teams...actually teach the children the concepts rather that shrieking the responsibility over to parents.

It's a disgrace the way kids are being abandoned.

Ohh mo dhia, the OUTRAGE.

Bananaleaf · 30-01-2021 12:21PM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

A new report issued by the CSO and tucked away in the back pages of the times,course it wouldn't make the front page was interesting.

8/10 dying have an underlying illness and many if them had 3 serious underlying issues. Now dont worry the other 2 well let's break it down.

NOT A SINGLE RECORDED covid death between 0-24. There have been 25 deaths out of 194k positive clashes between the range of 25-45 as a percentage that is.....0.012 yes 1/10th of a percentage and yet schools are not opening...how os this in anyway an issue as long as single family bundles are adhered to.

The bottom line here is teachers do not want to work and this is evident in the constant homework given out with little feedback.

In most schools a teacher has their laptop hooked to an interactive white board, why can they not give PPT presentations over Zoom or Webex or teams...actually teach the children the concepts rather that shrieking the responsibility over to parents.

It's a disgrace the way kids are being abandoned.

Agree with some of what you say. You can make a good point without the nasty 'teacher's don't want to work comment' It's unfair, not true and very insensitive to the fact that some of us are having a horrible time ourselves at home and would do anything to get back into the classroom.

I have wondered about the reported deaths myself. I've noticed that the deaths being reported seem very high, but with only one or two of those being accounted for in ICU numbers, I'm wondering where are the rest of them coming from and is it fair to be calling them Covid deaths.

I also think the kids have been abandoned. Parents too. Teachers too. They have been for a long time though, this is just highlighting it.

If your child's teachers are not performing to the standard they should be - well tell them. If it doesn't change, get on to the principal, the BOM, the local county counsellor. If you have done all that then fair enough and I hope it changes. If your child is of secondary school age, PM me and I will see what I can provide for English.

Not saying this is the case with you, but some parents claim that teachers don't give enough of a **** about their child to teach them properly, yet the same parents don't give enough of a **** about their child to actually complain about it.

Stateofyou · 30-01-2021 12:22PM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

A new report issued by the CSO and tucked away in the back pages of the times,course it wouldn't make the front page was interesting.

8/10 dying have an underlying illness and many if them had 3 serious underlying issues. Now dont worry the other 2 well let's break it down.

NOT A SINGLE RECORDED covid death between 0-24. There have been 25 deaths out of 194k positive clashes between the range of 25-45 as a percentage that is.....0.012 yes 1/10th of a percentage and yet schools are not opening...how os this in anyway an issue as long as single family bundles are adhered to.

The bottom line here is teachers do not want to work and this is evident in the constant homework given out with little feedback.

In most schools a teacher has their laptop hooked to an interactive white board, why can they not give PPT presentations over Zoom or Webex or teams...actually teach the children the concepts rather that shrieking the responsibility over to parents.

It's a disgrace the way kids are being abandoned.

What a ridiculous post. Why are you still in this place asking those questions in Jan 2021 when you know better - you just want to have an easy pop at teachers.

Death from covid is not the only bad outcome here. Serious illness and long term symptoms and organ damage is another huge factor. It may also be permanent.

Another bad outcome here is transmitting the virus to those who will end up in hospital and overrun our health care system. Which is happening here and all over the world. We ALL know this at this stage, that the reason our entire population is on lockdown is FOR THIS REASON.

The bottom line here is you chose to ignore common sense and the messaging/lessons learned from the past year of us all living with covid, and have a little pop at teachers anyway.

Another bottom line is that teachers are in fact working, and my kids teachers are playing a blinder. As are many others from what I'm hearing. Delivering an education remotely is also more time consuming and labour intensive as I've read time and time again and can plainly see from my kids teacher's and seeing their daily feedback through corrections, emails, calls to parents, etc. My kids teachers use whiteboards and upload videos, Irish lesson videos, as well as live chats with all the kids in the classroom.

It's a disgrace that you don't take any complaints you have to your kids' own teachers instead of having cheap shots at people here.

km79 · 30-01-2021 12:22PM

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

No actually I have given the news a skip in recent days. Besides, every time Norma announces something, it doesn't come to pass. And she is prone to hiding. I know they aren't opening on Feb 1 as originally planned, my question was around the replan date. Ok smarty?

I think as predicted earlier a genuine poster with a genuine question has got caught in the crossfire !

No she didn’t
She has gone into hiding
Schools got a wishy washy email with neither said whether they were actually still to continue with remote learning Monday or when the return dates .
As usual appalling communication which leaves schools in the situation where they are then being accused of the same thing as they can’t give any information to staff ,student and parents .

Pringles123 · 30-01-2021 12:35PM

km79 wrote: »

Schools got a wishy washy email with neither said whether they were actually still to continue with remote learning Monday or when the return dates .
As usual appalling communication which leaves schools in the situation where they are then being accused of the same thing as they can’t give any information to staff ,student and parents .

I was thinking about this myself and you may know more than me but have schools got an official announcement from the department that they are still working online Monday then?

As far as I am aware remote learning was to take place for three weeks and I was expecting them to make some announcement as we just finished week three but absolutely nothing.

wirelessdude01 · 30-01-2021 12:51PM

Pringles123 wrote: »

I was thinking about this myself and you may know more than me but have schools got an official announcement from the department that they are still working online Monday then?

As far as I am aware remote learning was to take place for three weeks and I was expecting them to make some announcement as we just finished week three but absolutely nothing.

My own theory is that the statement that was sent to schools yesterday was very carefully worded and put together with the impending court date on Monday in mind.

Pringles123 · 30-01-2021 01:01PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

My own theory is that the statement that was sent to schools yesterday was very carefully worded and put together with the impending court date on Monday in mind.

I see. It sounds like they have said then "We are not telling you to physically come to work on Monday, but also not saying to work from home. We will let you figure it out". I can't see any other employer in the country saying that to their employees, only the department of ed.

Meanwhile their lack of clarity is impacting students too. My 6th years said to me last week (and were delighted by the way) that they were to hear about the plan for the leaving cert this week. I think they're beginning to see now how the department of education operates.

sReq | uTeK · 30-01-2021 01:35PM

History Queen wrote: »

The bottom line here is you don't understand the issues but decide to be outraged anyway.

Okay, nice fallacy. Argue my points, stop creating strowman arguments that have nothing to do with my post what so ever.

In sure there is a thread somewhere that discusses the inability of peoples concept of what's going on, I suggest you go there

TTLF · 30-01-2021 02:01PM

Pringles123 wrote: »

Meanwhile their lack of clarity is impacting students too. My 6th years said to me last week (and were delighted by the way) that they were to hear about the plan for the leaving cert this week. I think they're beginning to see now how the department of education operates.

I was delighted to hear that we would've been given clarification this week, however that never came to pass... now we’re still waiting in limbo, however the ISSU have come out with details regarding what’s been going on in the “stakeholder” talks they attend, and they said they’d hope to get a detailed plan out to us on what’s going to happen in the next week or 2 depending on how things go.

km79 · 30-01-2021 02:01PM

Pringles123 wrote: »

I was thinking about this myself and you may know more than me but have schools got an official announcement from the department that they are still working online Monday then?

As far as I am aware remote learning was to take place for three weeks and I was expecting them to make some announcement as we just finished week three but absolutely nothing.

No they have not
So for anyone who wants to know where the real problem lies for all this you have your answer
Schools and their staff have done their best throughout the pandemic with little or no guidance from the Department of Education.
I know that won’t sit well with some narratives but it’s the truth of the matter
Health and education are not priorities in this country.
So
Here
We
Are

History Queen · 30-01-2021 02:31PM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Okay, nice fallacy. Argue my points, stop creating strowman arguments that have nothing to do with my post what so ever.

In sure there is a thread somewhere that discusses the inability of peoples concept of what's going on, I suggest you go there

I suggest you read the thread before spouting falsehoods, it was clear from your original post that you don't understand the issues at hand. Or at the very least are labouring under false illusions. They have been discussed extensively throughout the thread.

The fact that you said
"The bottom line here is teachers do not want to work" proves my point.

deiseindublin · 30-01-2021 03:23PM

quarryman wrote: »

Can someone explain to me WHY the unions feel it's not safe for schools to open and in particular why a unique arrangement can't be put in place for special needs children.

Does this help? :rolleyes:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/ireland/

Cluedo Monopoly · 30-01-2021 03:28PM

I actually think the teachers have improved significantly since the 1st lockdown (March-June 2020). Then again that would not be hard. Some were absolutely pathetic in that first lockdown. Our child in primary school got 3 emails during those 3.5 months. Enough work for 2 weeks maybe.
Some of the teachers are much better than others at the online classes now in secondary school but there seems to be a lot of 'free' classes where the teacher doesn't turn up or leaves after 5-10 mins after barking a few instructions. It's a mixed bag but it is improving.

Bananaleaf · 30-01-2021 03:33PM

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

there seems to be a lot of 'free' classes where the teacher doesn't turn up or leaves after 5-10 mins after barking a few instructions. It's a mixed bag but it is improving.

that shouldn't be happening. Have you contacted the teacher or brought it to the attention of the principal?

Not asking that to be smart - a lot of people just don't think of doing that.

deiseindublin · 30-01-2021 03:34PM

km79 wrote: »

No she didn’t
She has gone into hiding

Imo she has gone WAS SENT into hiding

History Queen · 30-01-2021 03:37PM

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

I actually think the teachers have improved significantly since the 1st lockdown (March-June 2020). Then again that would not be hard. Some were absolutely pathetic in that first lockdown. Our child in primary school got 3 emails during those 3.5 months. Enough work for 2 weeks maybe.
Some of the teachers are much better than others at the online classes now in secondary school but there seems to be a lot of 'free' classes where the teacher doesn't turn up or leaves after 5-10 mins after barking a few instructions. It's a mixed bag but it is improving.

If your child is not getting what they should be, complain to the school. Teachers won't defend lazy colleagues. There is a document outlining what should be happening. I think it is called Guide to Remote learning.

sReq | uTeK · 30-01-2021 03:41PM

History Queen wrote: »

I suggest you read the thread before spouting falsehoods, it was clear from your original post that you don't understand the issues at hand. Or at the very least are labouring under false illusions. They have been discussed extensively throughout the thread.

The fact that you said
"The bottom line here is teachers do not want to work" proves my point.

They dont, its evident. They're giving the same workload for their homework as they're are for their daily school and not actually doing any teaching,expecting the parents to teach the concepts.

20 mins twice a week zoom calls pathetic.

wirelessdude01 · 30-01-2021 03:43PM

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

I actually think the teachers have improved significantly since the 1st lockdown (March-June 2020). Then again that would not be hard. Some were absolutely pathetic in that first lockdown. Our child in primary school got 3 emails during those 3.5 months. Enough work for 2 weeks maybe.
Some of the teachers are much better than others at the online classes now in secondary school but there seems to be a lot of 'free' classes where the teacher doesn't turn up or leaves after 5-10 mins after barking a few instructions. It's a mixed bag but it is improving.

I'm gonna assume that you have had a quiet word with the relevant teachers to ascertain why this is occurring? That is your first step.

I know a few of my parents have had a quiet word with me to either reduce work on a particular day for their child(just a case of unticking them from the schedule) or to say that their child is getting slack and that a word regarding same on zoom will give them the kick that they need.

Teachers generally like to be made aware of things. If they choose to ignore your concerns then contact the principal to raise your concerns in a constructive manner.

Bananaleaf · 30-01-2021 03:44PM

Bananaleaf wrote: »

Agree with some of what you say. You can make a good point without the nasty 'teacher's don't want to work comment' It's unfair, not true and very insensitive to the fact that some of us are having a horrible time ourselves at home and would do anything to get back into the classroom.

I have wondered about the reported deaths myself. I've noticed that the deaths being reported seem very high, but with only one or two of those being accounted for in ICU numbers, I'm wondering where are the rest of them coming from and is it fair to be calling them Covid deaths.

I also think the kids have been abandoned. Parents too. Teachers too. They have been for a long time though, this is just highlighting it.

If your child's teachers are not performing to the standard they should be - well tell them. If it doesn't change, get on to the principal, the BOM, the local county counsellor. If you have done all that then fair enough and I hope it changes. If your child is of secondary school age, PM me and I will see what I can provide for English.

Not saying this is the case with you, but some parents claim that teachers don't give enough of a **** about their child to teach them properly, yet the same parents don't give enough of a **** about their child to actually complain about it.

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

They dont, its evident. They're giving the same workload for their homework as they're are for their daily school and not actually doing any teaching,expecting the parents to teach the concepts.

20 mins twice a week zoom calls pathetic.

See above. Call me a lazy teacher, but I'm not bothered typing it out for you again.

wirelessdude01 · 30-01-2021 03:44PM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

They dont, its evident. They're giving the same workload for their homework as they're are for their daily school and not actually doing any teaching,expecting the parents to teach the concepts.

20 mins twice a week zoom calls pathetic.

Have you raised your concerns with the teacher directly? If not, why not?

helpful · 30-01-2021 03:46PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Have you raised your concerns with the teacher directly? if not, why not?

Probably lazy parenting. Cut their child benefit they’re not working hard enough I say

Locotastic · 30-01-2021 03:49PM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

A new report issued by the CSO and tucked away in the back pages of the times,course it wouldn't make the front page was interesting.

8/10 dying have an underlying illness and many if them had 3 serious underlying issues. Now dont worry the other 2 well let's break it down.

NOT A SINGLE RECORDED covid death between 0-24. There have been 25 deaths out of 194k positive clashes between the range of 25-45 as a percentage that is.....0.012 yes 1/10th of a percentage and yet schools are not opening...how os this in anyway an issue as long as single family bubbles are adhered to.

The bottom line here is teachers do not want to work and this is evident in the constant homework given out with little feedback.

In most schools a teacher has their laptop hooked to an interactive white board, why can they not give PPT presentations over Zoom or Webex or teams...actually teach the children the concepts rather that shrieking the responsibility over to parents.

It's a disgrace the way kids are being abandoned.

I know it's crazy when you look beyond what the media are feeding the general public re the numbers and cases and hospitalisations.

I really don't know how they are getting away with the biased coverage.

Suppose the truth doesn't instill enough fear to keep us all in our place.

Locotastic · 30-01-2021 03:56PM

Random sample wrote: »

I will feel safe going back to school when close contacts are being tested.

They started back testing them yesterday.

Plenty of close contacts have been tested over the past few weeks but officially all contacts being tested again as of yesterday.

History Queen · 30-01-2021 03:59PM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

They dont, its evident. They're giving the same workload for their homework as they're are for their daily school and not actually doing any teaching,expecting the parents to teach the concepts.

20 mins twice a week zoom calls pathetic.

Are you equating zoom call time as teaching time because it isn't. Also not every teacher is doing what you are complaining about. What methodologies are they using? What assessment strategies? Formative or summative? What aspects of the curriculum are being missed?

Even if they are only doing what you say, they clearly are working, in spite of your previous announcement, just not in a way that is to your liking.

If you have genuine concerns contact your school. If you're just here to inflame, well , been there done that.

History Queen · 30-01-2021 04:01PM

Locotastic wrote: »

Suppose the truth doesn't instill enough fear to keep us all in our place.

Do you really think that? Who is keeping us in our place" and for what purpose? Or are you being sarcastic?

wirelessdude01 · 30-01-2021 04:04PM

History Queen wrote: »

Are you equating zoom call time as teaching time because it isn't. Also not every teacher is doing what you are complaining about. What methodologies are they using? What assessment strategies? Formative or summative? What aspects of the curriculum are being missed?

Even if they are only doing what you say, they clearly are working, in spite of your previous announcement, just not in a way that is to your liking.

If you have genuine concerns contact your school. If you're just here to inflame, well , been there done that.

Notice how these type of posters never say what they would like to see and then let us actually say whether it is possible or not.

Also never say what age or classes their kids are in.

Millem · 30-01-2021 04:05PM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

They dont, its evident. They're giving the same workload for their homework as they're are for their daily school and not actually doing any teaching,expecting the parents to teach the concepts.

20 mins twice a week zoom calls pathetic.

It’s a tough situation. What age are your kids? If they are young I am guessing you would need to be bedside them anyway with zoom etc?

My son’s teacher puts up videos on each piece of work on seasaw. As a teacher I know how long a 5 minute video takes to make!!! (Ages!!!) He is in senior infants and would get distracted if I let him sit there by himself. I have to be beside him anyway. He gets loads of work. It takes hours!! I give him a break after each piece and then he wants snacks/drinks.
Zoom once a week which lasts an hour and it is torture for me here with 3 kids. At one stage I had to breastfeed the baby then the younger boy arrives in with no pants on because he wet himself!!!

I actually preferred the last lockdown when the teacher just put up a list of work.
Chalk and talk with me! I loathe Aistear

I am a secondary school teacher and my colleagues are teaching through teams. The feedback from parents is that it is very intense and they want the lessons shortened.

sReq | uTeK · 30-01-2021 04:09PM

Bananaleaf wrote: »

See above. Call me a lazy teacher, but I'm not bothered typing it out for you again.

You're the exception not the rule. Teachers like you do exist in this pandemic its just finding then is like a needle in a haystack. L Safety this and safety that is a total excuse not to go back when the deaths are non existent amongst the age groups being discussed.

It still does not change the time and interaction often given is again non existent. I am doing HOMEWORK with my children that is all. There is no teaching.

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Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) Mod warning in OP 22/01