Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) **Mod warning in OP 22/01**

hesaidshesaid

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

There was a wishy washy statement sent from the DES to the schools earlier today which referred to continuing level 5 and the like. The wording made sure not to reference closure or anything of the sort. My guess the reason behind this was the impending court date on Monday.

What court date?

wirelessdude01

hesaidshesaid wrote: »

What court date?

The cases regarding kids not getting the education they are meant to.

billy_beckham

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

the lc would only make them eligible or not for a very intensive college course in order to become a surgeon they would be weeded out very very quickly if they where unable for such a demanding profession.

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Anyone who gets that far in their profession is more than capable.

1st and 2nd year weeds out those who either aren't suited to the course, don't actually like the course, aren't capable or willing to do the necessary work and/or possibly didn't research their CAO list properly.
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Stateofyou wrote: »

This logical fallacy is among the worst I've ever seen, and that's saying something.

Jaysus, it was tongue in cheek.....

Is having no sense of humour a prerequisite for the profession?

wirelessdude01

billy_beckham wrote: »

Jaysus, it was tongue in cheek.....

Is having no sense of humour a prerequisite for the profession?

Not the first person in here to say that and then try to say they meant something else.

billy_beckham

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Not the first person in here to say that and then try to say they meant something else.

oh you're right...as always...I've never heard of Medical School....

mirrorwall14

billy_beckham wrote: »

Jaysus, it was tongue in cheek.....

Is having no sense of humour a prerequisite for the profession?

As far as I’m aware only one of those posters is a teacher....

ruwithme

Eoinbmw wrote: »

Well my Little fella is now in meltdown mode!
No word of special schools opening even do its been made a "priority"
A lot of talk about health in this thread! Mental health is just as important as physical and right now Im beginning to worry about my sons mental health!
The sad thing is the school is ready willing and able to open!
What the Eff are the government and unions actually doing about this?

The unions are not concerned about school children & our government is weak. Shameful behaviour last week by unions to not return staff for schooling special needs children. Ultimately it is again weak government politicians where blame lies.

It is at least worth noting you only got one reply to this post,prior to this one.what you posted couldn't be refuted.

Note you got a couple of barbed replys on the walking observations. Clearly what you have seen is indicative across the country with children who should be returning to school on Monday.

I would urge you &anyone else on here who agrees schools need to reopen sooner than September to make contact with your local elected public representatives,it's only when the calls get louder,can we expect movement on reopening,as if it's left solely to unions to decide when they are bothered to return to a classroom it will be September.

Dickie10

will we be back in school in sept as normal or masks etc?

jimmytwotimes 2013

Dickie10 wrote: »

will we be back in school in sept as normal or masks etc?

Masks for the next couple of years will be the norm in any place with groups of people I think.

DraftDodger

Eoinbmw wrote: »

Well going by the last few evenings out walking the dog the local leaving cert and below Kids are not worried one bit about catching covid so to come out with that excuse for the leaving cert and a return to school is utterly false!
Its actually a very poor reflection on parents the size of the groups all hanging around together they may as well be in school!
The more I think about when kids like my son who just wants for a routine cant go back because of the selfish behavior of others(not teachers)!

Funny you should say that as im just back from my evening walk with my dog up in Taney Park and there was several groups of teens hanging out around the area and one particular group of about 15 kids all in a tight group drinking cans in the park itself. The parents of these teens should be absolutely ashamed.

Dickie10

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Masks few the next couple of years will be the norm in any place with groups of people I think.

no, it wont be. christ what sort of world are you going to be living in?!

wirelessdude01

Dickie10 wrote: »

will we be back in school in sept as normal or masks etc?

Highly doubt it. Masks will be part of every day life going forward for the foreseeable.

Millem

Dickie10 wrote: »

will we be back in school in sept as normal or masks etc?

I presume so. I am apparently not getting my first vaccine until December 2021 or February 2022

History Queen

ruwithme wrote: »

The unions are not concerned about school children & our government is weak. Shameful behaviour last week by unions to not return staff for schooling special needs children. Ultimately it is again weak government politicians where blame lies.

It is at least worth noting you only got one reply to this post,prior to this one.what you posted couldn't be refuted.

Note you got a couple of barbed replys on the walking observations. Clearly what you have seen is indicative across the country with children who should be returning to school on Monday.

I would urge you &anyone else on here who agrees schools need to reopen sooner than September to make contact with your local elected public representatives,it's only when the calls get louder,can we expect movement on reopening,as if it's left solely to unions to decide when they are bothered to return to a classroom it will be September.

Just following your theory there for a sec... what is the reason, in your opinion, for unions (solely???) keeping schools closed?

hesaidshesaid

ruwithme wrote: »

The unions are not concerned about school children & our government is weak. Shameful behaviour last week by unions to not return staff for schooling special needs children. Ultimately it is again weak government politicians where blame lies.

It is at least worth noting you only got one reply to this post,prior to this one.what you posted couldn't be refuted.

Note you got a couple of barbed replys on the walking observations. Clearly what you have seen is indicative across the country with children who should be returning to school on Monday.

I would urge you &anyone else on here who agrees schools need to reopen sooner than September to make contact with your local elected public representatives,it's only when the calls get louder,can we expect movement on reopening,as if it's left solely to unions to decide when they are bothered to return to a classroom it will be September.

Hi. I'm a teacher in a mainstream school, on the special ed. team. We have had 3 meetings this week alone trying to establish the best way to get as many of these kids back as safely as possible - with zero contact or useful guidance from the Department of Ed as to how this should be done or what date it might happen.

Meanwhile the INTO held meetings with members this week looking for suggestions for the return of kids with SEN to bring to the discussions with government. There were numerous branch meetings and the one I attended was full of teachers keen to return but concerned that no extra safety measures would be in place. I think that concern would be echoed by parents, especially parents of kids with SEN, many of whom have underlying health conditions.

Teachers are tired of the lazy narrative that the unions are the ones stopping the return to school. We have two big problems - Covid 19 and an inept DES. The will to return is definitely there but the plan the Dept set out was frankly bull**** and showed a shocking lack of knowledge of how special ed works in its various settings in Ireland.

Honestly I think if they brought some principal/teachers/SNAs from these various settings together to come up with a plan, we would have agreement and a phased return in no time.

Dickie10

there wont be full school attendance til after Easter holiday i would think

wirelessdude01

Dickie10 wrote: »

there wont be full school attendance til after Easter holiday i would think

I see you are reading what the government have been saying over the past week or so.

Teacher2020

ruwithme wrote: »

The unions are not concerned about school children

Nor should they be. The union represents teachers only. It takes the needs of teachers into account. It is fighting for the health and safety of teachers. I pay the union 340 a year for my membership. They are not paid to represent the pupils.

km79

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Highly doubt it. Masks will be part of every day life going forward for the foreseeable.

Depressing

Qwertyminger

Eoinbmw wrote: »

Well my Little fella is now in meltdown mode!
No word of special schools opening even do its been made a "priority"
A lot of talk about health in this thread! Mental health is just as important as physical and right now Im beginning to worry about my sons mental health!
The sad thing is the school is ready willing and able to open!
What the Eff are the government and unions actually doing about this?

I am a special needs teacher and I feel exactly the same way.

Of my six kids, two very badly need to go back. The other six are flying but the other two are trying their best and just not managing at all with the cabin fever we're all feeling.

It's sick.

quarryman

Can someone explain to me WHY the unions feel it's not safe for schools to open and in particular why a unique arrangement can't be put in place for special needs children.

wirelessdude01

quarryman wrote: »

Can someone explain to me WHY the unions feel it's not safe for schools to open and in particular why a unique arrangement can't be put in place for special needs children.

Tell us what "unique arrangement" you would like.

quarryman

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Tell us what "unique arrangement" you would like.

One that ensures vulnerable children get the care they need.

How come many other sectors can provide safe care for those in need but teaching can not?

km79

quarryman wrote: »

One that ensures vulnerable children get the care they need.

How come many other sectors can provide safe care for those in need but teaching can not?

This and your other query has been answered inside out on this thread already. Maybe have a read back over it ?
Sounds like you already have your own agenda though.....

wirelessdude01

quarryman wrote: »

One that ensures vulnerable children get the care they need.

How come many other sectors can provide safe care for those in need but teaching can not?

Just go have a think about all the services that have been stopped by the government
that these vulnerable children should currently be able to access and attend.

You use the word care, schools are educational facilities, not care ones.

quarryman

km79 wrote: »

This and your other query has been answered inside out on this thread already. Maybe have a read back over it ?
Sounds like you already have your own agenda though.....

I have no agenda. I just want the facts. I don't want to read 5000 posts to get them.

Is it not very simple to explain?

wirelessdude01

quarryman wrote: »

I have no agenda. I just want the facts. I don't want to read 5000 posts to get them.

Is it not very simple to explain?

Here's a fact then. It is a fact that it is the government who decided to close schools. Neither Forsa or the INTO directed their members not to attend their place of employment.

Gonna guess you will disagree with that though as your mind is already are up based on the aggressive tone of your posts.

Stateofyou

quarryman wrote: »

One that ensures vulnerable children get the care they need.

How come many other sectors can provide safe care for those in need but teaching can not?

That's not a question for anyone here. People should be standing up and putting the pressure on Norma Foley and the DES. Who have had 11 months to plan for this type of situation we're in now in this country, and they did F all. For any children for that matter.

Norma Foley has made absolute balls of this, and instead of sitting down properly at the proverbial table and working with all her education, government and health expert partners, she tried to ram everyone back in without a thought. When it was unsafe and unplanned and under resourced. Her actions are a complete and utter disgrace and in my opinion she should not be in that position at all. Can add Josepha in there too.


Edit to add: since you mention "care," therapists for sn children have also been stopped, nothing to do with education/teachers who are not carers.

km79

quarryman wrote: »

I have no agenda. I just want the facts. I don't want to read 5000 posts to get them.

Is it not very simple to explain?

You seem to have an interest in the topic. Suprised you haven’t been keeping up to date with the news, papers Etc which have also covered this inside out over the past few weeks ?

quarryman

So it's all Norma's fault.

What exactly was suggested that was not safe?

Why are the majority of Europe schools open to vulnerable children but Ireland is not?

Why are creches and other childcare services open but schools are not?

Why is every other essential service in the country open with safeguards but every single school is completely shut?

Why can't schools open with teachers willing to volunteer their service?

It seems that no one is saying exactly WHY it's not safe to open.