Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

Windmill100000 · 28-01-2021 03:07PM

Boggles wrote: »

Have you made yourself the unofficial spokesperson for 5 million people?

You do realize the vast majority of people understand the restrictions and the need for them, they also understand their is a marginal fringe element who base their hubris on feelings and not science.

And I think therein lies the problem. Most people do agree with restrictions, are getting on and looking forward to restrictions lifting in a monitored way. The issue on here is a) it's not happening fast enough; and b) not enough people are angry and ready to protest about it.

28-01-2021 03:07PM

Interesting to suggest we’ve only been in lockdown for a few weeks and completely disregard the last year because it was lifted for 3 weeks.

Will we do the same with the deaths? Just start reporting for 2021 and put the 2020 deaths to one side.

If not, why not?

Whatsisname · 28-01-2021 03:15PM

Penfailed wrote: »

From which perspective are you judging this?

The perspective of people saying we've never been told to stay at home and can travel freely. It's only been a few weeks. etc etc. It's just not true.

Lundstram wrote: »

It’s the people who can see beyond Covid19. The 5M lives it won’t affect except losing their job, their homes, their freedom and their education.

We don’t all look at life through the miserable prism of Covid19.

If you do, you’re “gaslighting”.

Think you've missed who my post was directed at tbh.

Ginger n Lemon · 28-01-2021 03:17PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Interesting to suggest we’ve only been in lockdown for a few weeks and completely disregard the last year because it was lifted for 3 weeks.

Will we do the same with the deaths? Just start reporting for 2021 and put the 2020 deaths to one side.

If not, why not?

Very good point. But as Noxx said many months ago you want people to be afraid. THe bigger the number the more afraid they are, presumably.

Except for it doesnt actually work that way.

I dont know if you recall but back in the day the health damage smoking was causing was advertised on TV consistently, and it wasnt a pretty thing to look at. They found that the more they were advertising the quicker people changed the channel as it was a bit over the top and no1 wanted to look at that. I'd say daily doom mongering at 6.01 has the same effect now since probably June. I dont know who in the gods name would still be tuning in to 6.01 still to hear Tony being concerned.. man must have said "concern" more times in the last 10 months than Leo flip flopping on alcohol only pubs re opening.

SAMTALK · 28-01-2021 03:26PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I think good few here are WFH warriors who are actually saving money due to restrictions.

You will never prove or show them that lockdown costs outweigh benefits. Not for them.

And what do you base this on ?

Gael23 · 28-01-2021 03:26PM

Significant acknowledgment from Holohans today acknowledging we can’t keep up this level of restrictions for much longer

SAMTALK · 28-01-2021 03:28PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Very good point. But as Noxx said many months ago you want people to be afraid. THe bigger the number the more afraid they are, presumably.

Except for it doesnt actually work that way.

I dont know if you recall but back in the day the health damage smoking was causing was advertised on TV consistently, and it wasnt a pretty thing to look at. They found that the more they were advertising the quicker people changed the channel as it was a bit over the top and no1 wanted to look at that. I'd say daily doom mongering at 6.01 has the same effect now since probably June. I dont know who in the gods name would still be tuning in to 6.01 still to hear Tony being concerned.. man must have said "concern" more times in the last 10 months than Leo flip flopping on alcohol only pubs re opening.

Or this ?

Silentcorner · 28-01-2021 03:29PM

Boggles wrote: »

Have you made yourself the unofficial spokesperson for 5 million people?

You do realize the vast majority of people understand the restrictions and the need for them, they also understand their is a marginal fringe element who base their hubris on feelings and not science.

You do realise that there is actually no science behind these lockdowns, absolutely none...there are differing opinions based on the interpretation of data and indeed trust in that data....but there is no science, just because you've been convinced that there is "science" doesn't make it so!!!

The majority of people do understand the need for restrictions.

Not allowing mass gatherings is a fairly severe restriction in ordinary times we seem to forget that, no sporting occasions, music, nightclubs, theatre, cinema, half capacity in pubs would all be understandable but a serious imposition on people's lives.

There is currently no sport allowed at all in this country.
No where to spend any free time.
No one is allowed to make household visits.
No gatherings of any description
Schools are closed again
Businesses have been shut again

There is a scale of restrictions, we are on the very extreme end of them, it is that which is causing the consternation and anger in people...because if you haven't been sucked into the endless hysteria you see in media every day, there is no logic behind half of those severe restrictions and indeed there is plenty of evidence as to how damaging they are!!!

Stop kidding yourself that there is any "science" behind this!!!

Ginger n Lemon · 28-01-2021 03:29PM

SAMTALK wrote: »

Or this ?

well, do you want to tell us why total covid numbers are still being reported daily instead of starting a new count for 2021, from 1 Jan?

Boggles · 28-01-2021 03:32PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Very good point. But as Noxx said many months ago you want people to be afraid. THe bigger the number the more afraid they are, presumably.

Nope, I have no idea who Noxx is but they are talking scutter, you certainly don't want people to be afraid, that could lead to panic.

That's the last thing you want in a pandemic. Someone has been watching too many movies.

Pandemic Denial which is largely this thread is also based around fear, but again denial is far better than panic.

Denial will just cause (at least in ireland) ranting and raving online and not much else. You'll get the odd bunch of simpletons out marching, but if it wasn't Covid they'd be out marching against faster broadband or whatever weak minded nonsense they have conjured up.

The vast majority of the populous understand the need for restrictions and adherence is high, that's why instance rates are plummeting.

Turtwig · 28-01-2021 03:32PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Significant acknowledgment from Holohans today acknowledging we can’t keep up this level of restrictions for much longer

That wasn't his acknowledgement at all. In a briefing two weeks ago Philip Nolan said that as the new varaint becomes dominant they expect ou reproduction number to rise a little bit due to its increased transmissiblity. If the UK analysis is correct it will require more effort to keep the same rate of suppression. As modeling suggests that's impractical they expect the R number to creep upwards slightly. Especially when you consider some fatigue is inevitable.

CMOs letter is just an extension of that.

Boggles · 28-01-2021 03:32PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

You do realise that there is actually no science behind these lockdowns, absolutely none.!

I stopped reading there TBH.

Windmill100000 · 28-01-2021 03:33PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

You do realise that there is actually no science behind these lockdowns, absolutely none...there are differing opinions based on the interpretation of data and indeed trust in that data....but there is no science, just because you've been convinced that there is "science" doesn't make it so!!!

The majority of people do understand the need for restrictions.

Not allowing mass gatherings is a fairly severe restriction in ordinary times we seem to forget that, no sporting occasions, music, nightclubs, theatre, cinema, half capacity in pubs would all be understandable but a serious imposition on people's lives.

There is currently no sport allowed at all in this country.
No where to spend any free time.
No one is allowed to make household visits.
No gatherings of any description
Schools are closed again
Businesses have been shut again

There is a scale of restrictions, we are on the very extreme end of them, it is that which is causing the consternation and anger in people...because if you haven't been sucked into the endless hysteria you see in media every day, there is no logic behind half of those severe restrictions and indeed there is plenty of evidence as to how damaging they are!!!

Stop kidding yourself that there is any "science" behind this!!!

What's your rationale behind the surge in cases after Christmas and the reduction since this level 5 lockdown?

SAMTALK · 28-01-2021 03:36PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

well, do you want to tell us why total covid numbers are still being reported daily instead of starting a new count for 2021, from 1 Jan?

And why not. It's total number from Covid

You think they do this to make us afraid ? Really

28-01-2021 03:38PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

well, do you want to tell us why total covid numbers are still being reported daily instead of starting a new count for 2021, from 1 Jan?

Why?

Gael23 · 28-01-2021 03:42PM

Turtwig wrote: »

That wasn't his acknowledgement at all. In a briefing two weeks ago Philip Nolan said that as the new varaint becomes dominant they expect ou reproduction number to rise a little bit due to its increased transmissiblity. If the UK analysis is correct it will require more effort to keep the same rate of suppression. As modeling suggests that's impractical they expect the R number to creep upwards slightly. Especially when you consider some fatigue is inevitable.

CMOs letter is just an extension of that.

He mentions that the low level of social interaction required to get us to this point cannot be maintained

Ginger n Lemon · 28-01-2021 03:42PM

SAMTALK wrote: »

And why not. It's total number from Covid

You think they do this to make us afraid ? Really

Make a guess?

If you are going to answer questions with "why not" we are not gonna get far.

PS have you heard of total number from cancer, or road crashes, or flu, being announced daily?

Mr. Karate · 28-01-2021 03:43PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Significant acknowledgment from Holohans today acknowledging we can’t keep up this level of restrictions for much longer

Has he finally gotten over his lockdown fetish? Or is the Country nearly bankrupt and now his paycheck is in jeopardy?

Silentcorner · 28-01-2021 03:44PM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

What's your rationale behind the surge in cases after Christmas and the reduction since this level 5 lockdown?

The same rationale that we see every year with viral infections at this time of year....the flu drops off after a 6 week surge every year and we never change our behaviour.

Which is why we didn't see the same thing happen back in June/July/August.

All we managed to do was create a log jam of susceptible immune systems in the depth of winter.

At best, one could argue we mitigated the damage by a small percentage (based on what we see from other countries) but we don't know by what amount and we have created huge problems for ourselves in doing so, that we cannot sustain.

Silentcorner · 28-01-2021 03:46PM

Boggles wrote: »

I stopped reading there TBH.

Probably because you were afraid to be asked to produce the science you believe exists...weren't you were asked before in this thread and you disappeared?

Gael23 · 28-01-2021 03:46PM

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Has he finally gotten over his lockdown fetish? Or is the Country nearly bankrupt and now his paycheck is in jeopardy?

Mostl likely the latter

Graham · 28-01-2021 03:47PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Interesting to suggest we’ve only been in lockdown for a few weeks and completely disregard the last year because it was lifted for 3 weeks.

Will we do the same with the deaths? Just start reporting for 2021 and put the 2020 deaths to one side.

If not, why not?

At no point have deaths been lifted. Restrictions however have been varied throughout.

Pretending you've been restricted to your house for the last 9 months really isn't helping whatever point it is you're tying to make.

Boggles · 28-01-2021 03:48PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Probably because you were afraid to be asked to produce the science you believe exists...weren't you were asked before in this thread and you disappeared?

You live in Ireland?

Have a look at the graphs.

Restrictions = lower instance rate

Less Restrictions = high instance rate.

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28-01-2021 03:49PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Significant acknowledgment from Holohans today acknowledging we can’t keep up this level of restrictions for much longer

Most reasonable people know that

Windmill100000 · 28-01-2021 03:49PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Make a guess?

If you are going to answer questions with "why not" we are not gonna get far.

PS have you heard of total number from cancer, or road crashes, or flu, being announced daily?

I dont think there is anywhere near the public interest in daily deaths by road accidents as there is in a pandemic. Maybe that's why.

SAMTALK · 28-01-2021 03:50PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Make a guess?

If you are going to answer questions with "why not" we are not gonna get far.

PS have you heard of total number from cancer, or road crashes, or flu, being announced daily?

I did answer if you bothered to read. It's the total number of Covid .

I don't see the issue with giving the total number

Turtwig · 28-01-2021 03:51PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Make a guess?

If you are going to answer questions with "why not" we are not gonna get far.

PS have you heard of total number from cancer, or road crashes, or flu, being announced daily?

Flu is zero last I checked.
Road deathes are always headline news. Even serious accidents are.

Cancer is a very broad term but why stop with that? At this point you might as well look for all the various causes of deaths to be headline numbers and thoroughly analysed- not very useful in a pandemic. Waste of resources I would say too.

Windmill100000 · 28-01-2021 03:54PM

Turtwig wrote: »

Flu is zero last I checked.
Road deathes are always headline news. Even serious accidents are.

Cancer is a very broad term but why stop with that? At this point you might as well look for all the various causes of deaths to be headline numbers and thoroughly analysed- not very useful in a pandemic. Waste of resources I would say too.

There is data on RTAs. You can find it easy enough online. This year there has been 5 to date.

Penfailed · 28-01-2021 03:55PM

Lundstram wrote: »

It’s the people who can see beyond Covid19. The 5M lives it won’t affect except losing their job, their homes, their freedom and their education.

We don’t all look at life through the miserable prism of Covid19.

If you do, you’re “gaslighting”.

Five million people are going to lose their job, their homes, their freedom and their education? Really?

Ginger n Lemon · 28-01-2021 03:56PM

SAMTALK wrote: »

I did answer if you bothered to read. It's the total number of Covid .

I don't see the issue with giving the total number

So you think in the summer of 2022, should there be any covid cases, RTE should announce total covid cases in Ireland from March 2020 to June 2022? Whats the benefit of announcing that?

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