Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

ypres5 · 29-01-2021 01:21AM

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Well maybe crowing was a poor choice of words but when you state you will be "****ing your mask into the nearest bin"as in the below quote then I don`t think it would be too wild an assumption to make. Anyway apologies for any offence caused.

I just said I don't plan on wearing one as soon as I don't have to you do whatever you want

Kunta Kinte · 29-01-2021 01:22AM

Lundstram wrote: »

If they don't work in the most restricted country in Europe, they won't work in any other EU state. What makes Ireland special that it felt the need to close constrution and special needs schools? Why have no other EU state closed them?

Why were we heavily restricted in the summer with two digit case numbers per day and 2-3 weeks death free?

No one on here said just let it rip, you seem to have conjured up that synopsis in your head. We are asking why are restrictions getting tighter while case numbers and hospital numbers are plummeting?

All very valid questions but no one on here seems to be able to answer them. All we get is smart alec replies. Edit: Just as i submit this post, I see another pointless retort above me. Sums it up.

Ireland has not been the most restricted country in Europe in this wave of the virus and this has been pointed out time after time. Stop posting nonsense.

FintanMcluskey · 29-01-2021 01:24AM

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Ireland has not been the most restricted country in Europe in this wave of the virus and this has been pointed out time after time. Stop posting nonsense.

What wave are you talking about?

Numerically

Idbatterim · 29-01-2021 01:24AM

Iteland gets what you would expect the easiest short term decision at every turn, is going to lead to bad outcomes... we dont have politicians, we have yes men, who say no to nothing... all of the same opinion, non will dare step out of " pander to the morally superior " leftist position they all take

Kunta Kinte · 29-01-2021 01:24AM

ypres5 wrote: »

I just said I don't plan on wearing one as soon as I don't have to you do whatever you want

I absolutely will be doing just that.

Jinglejangle69 · 29-01-2021 01:27AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/donohoe-sees-political-trap-amid-rising-debts-1.4470468?mode=amp

Donohue sees political trap amid rising debts... I literally cant wait to see the outcome politically and from the clappy seals, when the **** hits the fan, due to idiotoc spineless decision making or people better off now , not thinking payback will come...

Budget 2022 cant come soon enough, forget a few years down the line, the repercussions start from this budget!

What do you suggest?

FintanMcluskey · 29-01-2021 01:29AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/donohoe-sees-political-trap-amid-rising-debts-1.4470468?mode=amp

Donohue sees political trap amid rising debts... I literally cant wait to see the outcome politically and from the flappy seals, when then the **** hits the fam, due to idiotoc spineless decision making or people better off now , not thinking payback will come...

That’s grim.

The massive expansion in State spending to support public services and businesses was “extraordinary . . . and needed”

No it wasn’t, we kept strict measures in place twice as long as most of Europe

But he has also signalled that when the pandemic is over - there will be a reckoning.

Ironic really. If they only managed it properly. NPHET are to blame though.

“I think it’s an opportunity to reimagine the role of the State,” says Labour Senator and economist Marie Sherlock. “For example to reimagine the sort of health service we want.”

Yep, a 3rd world health service is on the way

ypres5 · 29-01-2021 01:36AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

That’s grim.

No it wasn’t, we kept strict measures in place twice as long as most of Europe

Ironic really. If they only managed it properly. NPHET are to blame though.

Yep, a 3rd world health service is on the way

I don't blame nphet i blame the government for letting the public finances hit such dire straits. that v shaped recovery just feels further away

Arghus · 29-01-2021 01:36AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Couldn’t agree more.

Nobody get bullied out of this thread for having a varying opinion.

It’s perhaps much more balanced even if a bit of cod acting goes on from time to time.

It's the most unbalanced thread I've ever participated in on boards.

It only exists to corall these opinions in one place.

Idbatterim · 29-01-2021 01:41AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

What do you suggest?

For a start, paying out e350 a week to people made unemployed, when they had been earning e80 a week working, was lunacy. There should be a proper PAY RELATED unemployment payments, like you have in Germany etc...

They had no idea how long this would last, it's the idiocy and lunacy I've come to expect here though... getting out the rosary beads was their only plan.

I thi k its fair to ask, why was much of the country shut during the summer with barely any cases and no deaths many days...

There are now so many holes in the bucket, that financially, in a country with zero leadership, sh*t is going to hit the fan , politically economically or both... and it's not too far away...

Graham · 29-01-2021 01:43AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

For a start, paying out e350 a week to people made unemployed, when they had been earning e80 a week working, was lunacy. There should be a proper PAY RELATED unemployment payments, like you have in Germany etc...

I'd have advocated for more, for longer.

You're not going to austerity the world out of this. Were you not around 10 years ago?

Kunta Kinte · 29-01-2021 01:44AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

What wave are you talking about?

Numerically

Since late autumn/ early winter when other European countries tightened their restrictions while Ireland was loosening or on the verge of loosening ours.

Lundstram · 29-01-2021 01:45AM

ypres5 wrote: »

I don't blame nphet i blame the government for letting the public finances hit such dire straits. that v shaped recovery just feels further away

Agree. I think NPHET are looking after their brief which is public health, they couldn't give a sh1t about anyone else as they're in nice comfy well paid jobs with nice pensions to come when they finish.

Problem is the government have handed them free rein without showing a semblence of balance regarding the economy, health of the U65s and overall society. They have coward away from this.

Neither NPHET or any government official will be picking up the pieces after this sorry mess. They'll all ride off in the sunset with their pensions.

No such luxury for the ordinary man, woman and child.

FintanMcluskey · 29-01-2021 01:46AM

Arghus wrote: »

It's the most unbalanced thread I've ever participated in on boards.

It only exists to corall these opinions in one place.

No Argus.

It’s a thread posters don’t hoover thanks in because they post in some populist nonsense every night.

There is a relatively even spread of debate in here.

There is a lot of good posters on each side.

It’s not in any way an echo chamber like the main thread.

And there is no way posters get ganged up on by a kangaroo court for suggesting or posting the wrong thing

Idbatterim · 29-01-2021 01:46AM

Graham wrote: »

I'd have advocated for more, for longer.

You're not going to austerity the world out of this. Were you not around 10 years ago?

Is austerity earning a multiple of what you did working, on welfare? We are robbing serious future living standard increases now to take easy street at every turn now. This is going to be written about to death in the media, on boards etc in due course. When what is so obvious to some now, becomes reality and the masses see what the true cost of this is...

FintanMcluskey · 29-01-2021 01:48AM

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Since late autumn/ early winter when other European countries tightened their restrictions while Ireland was loosening or on the verge of loosening ours.

Ok, but let’s remember the rest of the world had resumed “liveable/sociable” restrictions for 6/7 months while Ireland didn’t.

The alternative was keep Ireland locked down for over a year.

The policy was wrong from last May, not just December

Arghus · 29-01-2021 01:54AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No Argus.

It’s a thread posters don’t hoover thanks in because they post in some populist nonsense every night.

There is a relatively even spread of debate in here.

There is a lot of good posters on each side.

It’s not in any way an echo chamber like the main thread.

And there is no way posters get ganged up on by a kangaroo court for suggesting or posting the wrong thing

It's a thread where posters can hoover up the thanks by posting any vaguely anti restrictions statement, usually the more wound up the better. It doesn't even have to be factual or largely coherent.

A particular form of populism unique to this thread.

I'll grant you there's a bit more back and forth here than there used to be.

Graham · 29-01-2021 01:56AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

Is austerity earning a multiple of what you did working, on welfare? We are robbing serious future living standard increases now to take easy street at every turn now.

Tosh.

Austerity is not spending when you really should be.

While I'd generally advocate balanced budgets, sensible spending, now is not the time.

The best way to guarantee economic collapse when this thing ends is to stop spending.

Right now I'd like to see the minister for finance spending like a drunk sailor on shore leave.

Infrastructure projects, yes please while money is 0%

Stimulus payments (aka helicopter money), bring it on.

Large scale house building, ohh yeah.

Education, 3rd level. Free please

FintanMcluskey · 29-01-2021 01:59AM

Arghus wrote: »

It's a thread where posters can hoover up the thanks by posting any vaguely anti restrictions statement, usually the more wound up the better. It doesn't even have to be factual or largely coherent.

A particular form of populism unique to this thread.

I'll grant you there's a bit more back and forth here than there used to be.

There is posters here since the beginning that have argued the toss.

There is many more now and they are just as welcome.

There is as many facts here as on any thread relating to Covid

Jinglejangle69 · 29-01-2021 02:00AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

For a start, paying out e350 a week to people made unemployed, when they had been earning e80 a week working, was lunacy. There should be a proper PAY RELATED unemployment payments, like you have in Germany etc...

They had no idea how long this would last, it's the idiocy and lunacy I've come to expect here though... getting out the rosary beads was their only plan.

I thi k its fair to ask, why was much of the country shut during the summer with barely any cases and no deaths many days...

There are now so many holes in the bucket, that financially, in a country with zero leadership, sh*t is going to hit the fan , politically economically or both... and it's not too far away...

All you have given is rants.

Once again what do you suggest?

Arghus · 29-01-2021 02:01AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

There is posters here since the beginning that have argued the toss.

There is many more now and they are just as welcome.

There is as many facts here as on any thread relating to Covid

Let's respectfully disagree.

Kunta Kinte · 29-01-2021 02:02AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ok, but let’s remember the rest of the world had resumed “liveable/sociable” restrictions for 6/7 months while Ireland didn’t.

The alternative was keep Ireland locked down for over a year.

The policy was wrong from last May, not just December

So you are still claiming that Ireland was "locked down" and that nobody was allowed to resume some level of non essential activity during the entire period from last May to October?

Idbatterim · 29-01-2021 02:06AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

All you have given is rants.

Once again what do you suggest?

I suggest watching how all this pans out. It wont end well and I've put up hundreds of posts on this thread, about why that will be the case... the state just gets bigger and bigger. As if they will cut anything, it will be the small minority already paying far more than their fair share, picking up the pieces. You can hammer them when they only make up less than ten percent of the electorate...

Graham · 29-01-2021 02:09AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

I suggest watching how all this pans out. It wont end well

I disagree entirely.

As long as we don't try and stingy our way out of this, the generations behind will have something to look forward to.

29-01-2021 02:11AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

There is posters here since the beginning that have argued the toss.

There is many more now and they are just as welcome.

There is as many facts here as on any thread relating to Covid

Don't rise to the bait, let it wallow in self-pity and bitterness. Out of its natural habitat in the other thread where...you guessed correctly...it basks in broad acclaim. Such ego-stroking can inflate a false sense of superiority. And now that the passive aggressive efforts at benign control fall limply short, resorting to outright antagonism. The whole kit caboodle has been cast out of the pram along with any concept of nuance.

Arghus · 29-01-2021 02:24AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Don't rise to the bait, let it wallow in self-pity and bitterness. Out of its natural habitat in the other thread where...you guessed correctly...it basks in broad acclaim. Such ego-stroking can inflate a false sense of superiority. And now that the passive aggressive efforts at benign control fall limply short, resorting to outright antagonism. The whole kit caboodle has been cast out of the pram along with any concept of nuance.

In a way I'm flattered to inspire such purple prose.

Windmill100000 · 29-01-2021 02:52AM

There are clearly more people on this particular thread that want lockdown to end while cases are still high. It makes sense they are all here because there is safety in numbers and their views will be supported whereas they would not be so applauded in the wider community.

I think they need that support from each other. It must be difficult seeing everyone following along with government guidelines and rules when you so staunchly oppose it.

growleaves · 29-01-2021 02:59AM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

There are clearly more people on this particular thread that want lockdown to end while cases are still high. It makes sense they are all here because there is safety in numbers and their views will be supported whereas they would not be so applauded in the wider community.

I think they need that support from each other. It must be difficult seeing everyone following along with government guidelines and rules when you so staunchly oppose it.

Safety in numbers lol

I know plenty of people in the wider community who support my views.

I'm not out collecting fixed-penalty notices myself, don't see why witnessing people following the rules would be difficult.

SusieBlue · 29-01-2021 03:24AM

What I find interesting is that anecdotally many of the people I know who think the lockdowns are necessary and were happy to go to level 5 are actively breaking the rules themselves.
However they justify it, making exceptions for themselves, as if they are above the rules they expect others to abide to.

I have a friend who is healthcare worker who was chomping at the bit for level 5 in late December, because she feels unsafe in work with such high cases. Completely fair enough and understandable.
Yet she has continued to go to and from her boyfriends house (also a frontline worker) who lives with his parents (one of whom is a frontline worker) and then back to her own where she lives with her elderly parents.
Now I have no issue with couples mixing households, but the sheer hypocrisy infuriates me.
Can you imagine how many close contacts the 3 of those frontline workers have between them?
Yet when the topic of continued lockdown was raised in the group chat earlier she said she was relieved it was extended to March 5th.
She needs level 5 to feel safe at work but she isn’t abiding to level 5 herself, when it comes down to it. Do as I say and not what I do.

Loads of other sanctimonious posts on my social media of people pleading with others to stay at home, while putting up a snap at granny’s house, mixing indoors with friends, or staying at their partners place.
Which again, I don’t necessarily have a problem with, but at least be consistent.
If a person is advocating for level 5 the very, very least they can do is actually follow the rules themselves and hold themselves to the same standard they expect of others.

People are making these exceptions for themselves left, right and centre, I honestly don’t know anyone who isn’t, to some degree.
It annoys me that they expect others to be out of jobs and the country to be shut down in order to make them feel ‘safer’, while they pick and choose while rules apply to them and blatantly break them when suited.

Windmill100000 · 29-01-2021 03:38AM

growleaves wrote: »

Safety in numbers lol

I know plenty of people in the wider community who support my views.

I'm not out collecting fixed-penalty notices myself, don't see why witnessing people following the rules would be difficult.

Of course others in the wider community will agree with you, that's a no brainer, but not to any significant number because people are adhering to rules and prepared to ride this out.

I know that's frustrating if you don't see the point of lockdown. Someone on here said protests are the only way things will change. Others were visibly happy that violence had broken out in Europe. But that's unlikely to happen here and especially while case numbers are high. People went along with lockdown with far fewer numbers when hospitals weren't at capacity.

There's clearly a big divide though. And with some impacted more than others it is hardly surprising.

The irony is in insulting those that support government measures and sentiment you are alienating the very people that you want to be seeing and agreeing to your point of view.

This isnt directed at 'you' personally.

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