Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

Silentcorner · 28-01-2021 03:57PM

Boggles wrote: »

You live in Ireland?

Have a look at the graphs.

Restrictions = lower instance rate

Less Restrictions = high instance rate.

Can you explain to me then, why the WHO, the global entity funded by countries all over the world, who's remit it is to help manage pandemics using the best in expertise and knowledge, never for one minute considered severe lockdowns as a tool to combat virus in a pandemic?

I'll say it again, there is no science behind lockdowns...absolutely none, we are using a tool never before used and we do not understand the long term impact of that tool.

mightyreds · 28-01-2021 03:58PM

Gael23 wrote: »

He mentions that the low level of social interaction required to get us to this point cannot be maintained

Yeah he did say that but I wonder is he jostling for more restrictions and possible quarantine coming into the country ?

Windmill100000 · 28-01-2021 03:58PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Five million people are going to lose their job, their homes, their freedom and their education? Really?

Yes absolute nonsense. Now who is scaremongering?

28-01-2021 03:59PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

So you think in the summer of 2022, should there be any covid cases, RTE should announce total covid cases in Ireland from March 2020 to June 2022? Whats the benefit of announcing that?

In the middle of a pandemic reset the count because?

By 2022 this, in the west at least, will be endemic or sporadic epidemic, then counts stop. While the pandemic is ongoing why would you though?

Turtwig · 28-01-2021 03:59PM

Gael23 wrote: »

He mentions that the low level of social interaction required to get us to this point cannot be maintained

Yep everyone knows that. The more nuanced point is that even if social interactions were maintained as low as they were there is a concern that with the UK variant the r number would creep upwards anyway.

Turtwig · 28-01-2021 04:02PM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

There is data on RTAs. You can find it easy enough online. This year there has been 5 to date.

I interpreted the posters point as this RTA deaths don't generate headlines. They most certainly do.

Kunta Kinte · 28-01-2021 04:02PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Five million people are going to lose their job, their homes, their freedom and their education? Really?

The poster who made that comment is continually moaning that the Covid restrictions are hysterical over reactions. Displays a complete lack of self awareness. Not surprising really though.

Lundstram · 28-01-2021 04:04PM

Graham wrote: »

These are temporary restrictions during a global pandemic?

Those of us who can see beyond Covid19 understand that.

Temporary..

Lol.

Windmill100000 · 28-01-2021 04:05PM

Turtwig wrote: »

I interpreted the posters point as this RTA deaths don't generate headlines. They most certainly do.

Correct, RTAs always make the news and statistics to date are readily available online.

28-01-2021 04:06PM

Lundstram wrote: »

Shifted just like posters saying “we’re 4 weeks into lockdown”, forgetting about 2020.

Why is construction still banned in Ireland? Why are special needs kids banned from attending school? Why have ROI made zero effort to align things with NI? Why did it take 10 months to tackle the airport problem?

Answer those questions in a meaningful way rather that a one liner trying to come across as clever.

Lundstram wrote: »

Temporary..

Lol.

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SAMTALK · 28-01-2021 04:06PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

So you think in the summer of 2022, should there be any covid cases, RTE should announce total covid cases in Ireland from March 2020 to June 2022? Whats the benefit of announcing that?

What's the harm in announcing it ?

It's a pandemic, it's the reason all our lives have been disrupted so why not give the numbers.

Total numbers, breakdown of numbers and then you can do the maths yourself and see what falls into 2020 or 2021. Not a big issue in fairness

Windmill100000 · 28-01-2021 04:06PM

Lundstram wrote: »

Temporary..

Lol.

Let's see if they reduce restrictions when case numbers drop, as they did last year

28-01-2021 04:12PM

Boggles wrote: »

You live in Ireland?

Have a look at the graphs.

Restrictions = lower instance rate

Less Restrictions = high instance rate.

And that’s how simple it is to brainwash a person in Ireland.

No other circumstances at all played a huge part?
The virus tends to hit all of Europe at once and peaks a few weeks later, regardless of restrictions.
That doesn’t play a part? That’s a huge reason for cases dropping after several weeks.

What about testing less? Do you think not testing close contacts contributes to lower numbers?

You can’t just keep half a million people out of work and every kid in the country out of school because it “seems” like cases drop if we close everything.

That’s the most unscientific solution I’ve heard in my lifetime.

Kunta Kinte · 28-01-2021 04:12PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

In the parallel universe in which this thread exists, that never happened.

Going by their posts many here must have taken the red pill.

Ginger n Lemon · 28-01-2021 04:14PM

Deleted User wrote: »

And that’s how simple it is to brainwash a person in Ireland.

No other circumstances at all played a huge part?
The virus tends to hit all of Europe at once and peaks a few weeks later, regardless of restrictions.
That doesn’t play a part? That’s a huge reason for cases dropping after several weeks.

What about testing less? Do you think not testing close contacts contributes to lower numbers?

You can’t just keep half a million people out of work and every kid in the country out of school because it “seems” like cases drop if we close everything.

That’s the most unscientific solution I’ve heard in my lifetime.

You can. And some people will think you are doing a good job too :rolleyes:

you are saving the granny after all

Windmill100000 · 28-01-2021 04:16PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

You can. And some people will think you are doing a good job too :rolleyes:

you are saving the granny after all

You can. And it is what is happening with approval from many, especially in light of current case numbers.

Kunta Kinte · 28-01-2021 04:22PM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

You can. And it is what is happening with approval from many, especially in light of current case numbers.

With approval from the vast majority actually despite some of the cohort on here pretending otherwise.

Ginger n Lemon · 28-01-2021 04:25PM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

You can. And it is what is happening with approval from many, especially in light of current case numbers.

I definitely dont approve of this madness.

28-01-2021 04:27PM

Deleted User wrote: »

And that’s how simple it is to brainwash a person in Ireland.

No other circumstances at all played a huge part?
The virus tends to hit all of Europe at once and peaks a few weeks later, regardless of restrictions.
That doesn’t play a part? That’s a huge reason for cases dropping after several weeks.

What about testing less? Do you think not testing close contacts contributes to lower numbers?

You can’t just keep half a million people out of work and every kid in the country out of school because it “seems” like cases drop if we close everything.

That’s the most unscientific solution I’ve heard in my lifetime.

Can it not be understood that demand for testing increases when virus increases?

That the level of true asymptomatic cases is ca.30% therefore not testing close contacts is not missing a huge amount of cases? And anyone who is a contact can get a test if they want one.

And the nonsense about peaks occurring irrespective of restrictions - a cursory glance at the data tells a different story - clue - Belgium.

There is no "seems" about it. Its a certainty with overwhelming evidence.

SAMTALK · 28-01-2021 04:27PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

You can. And some people will think you are doing a good job too :rolleyes:

you are saving the granny after all

Nice !

facehugger99 · 28-01-2021 04:34PM

Lockdowns are a great public health response as long as you only view everything through the prism of 'case-numbers and are prepared to ignore all the social, educational and economic devastation that they cause.

It would seem a significant cohort of the population have been brainwashed by hysterical media reporting to do just that.

28-01-2021 04:36PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Lockdowns are a great public health response as long as you only view everything through the prism of 'case-numbers and are prepared to ignore all the social, educational and economic devastation that they cause.

It would seem a significant cohort of the population have been brainwashed by hysterical media reporting to do just that.

That's the view of those believe that its case numbers that are deciding policy. Case numbers are just a leading indicator.

SAMTALK · 28-01-2021 04:36PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Lockdowns are a great public health response as long as you only view everything through the prism of 'case-numbers and are prepared to ignore all the social, educational and economic devastation that they cause.

It would seem a significant cohort of the population have been brainwashed by hysterical media reporting to do just that.

I would imagine there are very few people who can ignore the social, educational and economic devastation as everyone is effected one way or another

Boggles · 28-01-2021 04:42PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Can you explain to me then, why the WHO, the global entity funded by countries all over the world, who's remit it is to help manage pandemics using the best in expertise and knowledge, never for one minute considered severe lockdowns as a tool to combat virus in a pandemic?

I'll say it again, there is no science behind lockdowns...absolutely none, we are using a tool never before used and we do not understand the long term impact of that tool.

One WHO representative misspoke and the pandemic denialists jumped on it if I remember correctly.

As for the WHO as a whole, western countries gave up listening to them back in May. They pay them lip service once and while to be polite.

As for restrictions never been used before, incorrect.

I have all ready linked to an article how effective they were in 1918.

Round and round we go.

Boggles · 28-01-2021 04:44PM

Deleted User wrote: »

And that’s how simple it is to brainwash a person in Ireland.

No other circumstances at all played a huge part?
The virus tends to hit all of Europe at once and peaks a few weeks later, regardless of restrictions.
That doesn’t play a part? That’s a huge reason for cases dropping after several weeks.

What about testing less? Do you think not testing close contacts contributes to lower numbers?

You can’t just keep half a million people out of work and every kid in the country out of school because it “seems” like cases drop if we close everything.

That’s the most unscientific solution I’ve heard in my lifetime.

I've all ready had this debate with you.

You attribute the drop in cases to January been a "dead" month.

I disagreed using reality as my basis.

dalyboy · 28-01-2021 04:47PM

beauf wrote: »

I see so for insurance you choose the best case scenario and don't buy any ever. You want the govt to operate on that basis.

Gael23 wrote: »

Significant acknowledgment from Holohans today acknowledging we can’t keep up this level of restrictions for much longer

I’ve checked for anything said by him other than further future restrictions today.
Have u a Link ?

Mr. Karate · 28-01-2021 04:49PM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

Let's see if they reduce restrictions when case numbers drop, as they did last year

The week we had a 7000 case drop they announced a 6 week extension to the current lockdown.

Silentcorner · 28-01-2021 04:50PM

Boggles wrote: »

One WHO representative misspoke and the pandemic denialists jumped on it if I remember correctly.

As for the WHO as a whole, western countries gave up listening to them back in May. They pay them lip service once and while to be polite.

As for restrictions never been used before, incorrect.

I have all ready linked to an article how effective they were in 1918.

Round and round we go.

Who is denying the existence of a pandemic? Are you hearing voices in your head, as it would explain a lot!!!!!

Comparing this to the Spanish Flu is like comparing the conflict in Libya to WW1.

This is more in the realm of bad flu seasons.

Restrictions? Restrictions are what Sweden did...we did lockdowns nearly 6 months of severe lockdowns destroying an important part of our economy and imposing huge human sacrifices on ordinary people.

So again...you can't produce a single morsel of science that suggests using severe lockdowns as a tool for combating a virus.

Boggles · 28-01-2021 04:51PM

Mr. Karate wrote: »

The week we had a 7000 case drop they announced a 6 week extension to the current lockdown.

No we didn't.

The government have stated several times that easing of restrictions will be dependent on clearing out the hospitals in particular ICU and not just instance rate of the virus.

Boggles · 28-01-2021 04:52PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Who is denying the existence of a pandemic? Are you hearing voices in your head, as it would explain a lot!!!!!

Comparing this to the Spanish Flu is like comparing the conflict in Libya to WW1.

This is more in the realm of bad flu seasons.

Restrictions? Restrictions are what Sweden did...we did lockdowns nearly 6 months of severe lockdowns destroying an important part of our economy and imposing huge human sacrifices on ordinary people.

So again...you can't produce a single morsel of science that suggests using severe lockdowns as a tool for combating a virus.

Indeed.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings