Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) Mod warning in OP 22/01

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 28-01-2021 12:27PM

paddyirish23 wrote: »

Next ye will want them in their own plastic cubes!

let's just give ye extra pay and longer holidays while we're at it!

Good man Paddy. They are fantastic ideas.

Students could decorate their cubes and only a fool would say no to more money and longer holidays.

I like you Paddy

Mrsmum · 28-01-2021 12:29PM

mohawk wrote: »

You would hope people will have learned their lesson from Christmas and will have cop on not to travel to see family for Easter. Another peak at Easter will cost us the opportunity to have a semi decent summer where we can bring the kids swimming, hiking, surfing, canoeing etc.

I wouldn't trust that people won't. The weather is usually getting nice then, people feel locked up for ever, not everyone travelled/met up at Christmas so due a visit, holiday homes beckoning, off they go again.

Millem · 28-01-2021 12:32PM

My son needs SLT. All the hse speech and language therapists in my area have been redeployed. I spoke to the manager two days ago to get a copy of his files as I am now looking for private sessions. I can’t find any private speech and language therapists who are working face to face. They all seem to be operating online.
I would love to find one that is doing face to face sessions but I totally understand why they are operating online.

SusanC10 · 28-01-2021 12:40PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

I wouldn't trust that people won't. The weather is usually getting nice then, people feel locked up for ever, not everyone travelled/met up at Christmas so due a visit, holiday homes beckoning, off they go again.

Yeah, I am not sure either.
We had an Airbnb in Ireland booked for Easter weekend. Yesterday we moved it to August.

Mrsmum · 28-01-2021 12:45PM

SusanC10 wrote: »

Yeah, I am not sure either.
We had an Airbnb in Ireland booked for Easter weekend. Yesterday we moved it to August.

Exactly. A lot cheaper to book accommodation and activities normally at Easter time too. Lots of people on reduced wages could stretch to a weekend in Dingle or Clifden at Easter when they couldn't during the summer.

Bananaleaf · 28-01-2021 12:50PM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Good man Paddy. They are fantastic ideas.

Students could decorate their cubes and only a fool would say no to more money and longer holidays.

I like you Paddy

Will these cubes have wheels? And will teacher's have to pay for their own?

Murple · 28-01-2021 12:53PM

Bananaleaf wrote: »

Will these cubes have wheels? And will teacher's have to pay for their own?

Ha! That’s funny- will teachers have to pay for their own? Of course they will!
Otherwise they’d have to warn us not to take them home.

Lillyfae · 28-01-2021 12:55PM

Bananaleaf wrote: »

Will these cubes have wheels? And will teacher's have to pay for their own?

Yes, and mandatory, iron- on name tags will be available from the only school uniform supplier in the town, at a cost of €50 :pac:

mohawk · 28-01-2021 12:59PM

khalessi wrote: »

WHO recommended for children on August 6th. On this thread I keep seeing oh welll SEN schools are open in other countries. Well children in primary schools all over the world wear masks,what is so special that the Irish primary children can't?

Regarding SLT, those children would be in the minority and there could be a work around similar to OTs, who are seeing children for 15 minutes slots, so the mask could be off for a 15 minute lesson of SLT.

I have seen children in shops successfully wearing them, and most times better than the adults with the nose hammock, bear slings and one eared bandits

Ireland isn’t the only country where primary children don’t wear masks. Some countries mandate it others don’t.

My point regarding SLT children is when you put masks on them it will be harder for them to communicate. They are a minority sure but most primary schools have children who have communication issues.

Yes my lad like majority of kids wore a mask in shops (He stopped going into shop once numbers got high again). You don’t spend long in a shop.

Like I said teachers want more protections which is fair enough so the government should be providing them with high grade masks both at primary and secondary level.
It looks like the coldest months will be passed before the children go back to school which will make open windows for ventilation easier to handle. Although ventilation should be improved in schools anyway. Most years colds and flus run rampant through them better ventilation would improve the situation.

Maybe the government will make all children wear masks as a way of getting teachers back to schools who knows. I will say that the best, by far the most effective way to reduce Covid transmission in schools is low level of covid in the community. When the cases started to climb in December it was starting to cause big problems for schools.

History Queen · 28-01-2021 12:59PM

paddyirish23 wrote: »

Glad ye are all amused by it, PUP would change the tune fairly quickly!
I hope the Dept calls ye all back after the midterm and let's see who doesn't show up, will tell a tale of who's really interested in their pupils education then!

Why so aggressive?

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 28-01-2021 01:02PM

paddyirish23 wrote: »

Glad ye are all amused by it, PUP would change the tune fairly quickly!
I hope the Dept calls ye all back after the midterm and let's see who doesn't show up, will tell a tale of who's really interested in their pupils education then!

G'man Paddy, take no prisoners

History Queen · 28-01-2021 01:03PM

Weekly testing in special schools in Northern Ireland has just been announced. It's a saliva based test.

https://twitter.com/emma_okelly/status/1354745463552024584?s=19

The Wordress · 28-01-2021 01:07PM

History Queen wrote: »

Weekly testing in special schools in Northern Ireland has just been announced. It's a saliva based test.

https://twitter.com/emma_okelly/status/1354745463552024584?s=19

Wow, that is brillant news.

I assume that applies to all staff and pupils.

It will create a much safer working and learning environment for everyone.

History Queen · 28-01-2021 01:08PM

The Wordress wrote: »

Wow, that is brillant news.

I assume that applies to all staff and pupils.

It will create a much safer working and learning environment for everyone.

Seems to. It's brilliant news. Particularly as it is saliva based so less invasive for children with sensory issues. I hope we can do similar. It'd be a game changer.

downthemiddle · 28-01-2021 01:18PM

Lillyfae wrote: »

But that's not allowed, right?

Wrong.

helpful · 28-01-2021 01:29PM

paddyirish23 wrote: »

Glad ye are all amused by it, PUP would change the tune fairly quickly!
I hope the Dept calls ye all back after the midterm and let's see who doesn't show up, will tell a tale of who's really interested in their pupils education then!

An unemployment payment to people working from home? Is this across every sector or just the sectors that you don’t like?
I hope we’re all back in school after midterm too. Now if we are all brought back to work after midterm and when everyone shows up will you be on here apologising for insinuating that teachers don’t care about their pupils education?

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 28-01-2021 01:34PM

helpful wrote: »

An unemployment payment to people working from home? Is this across every sector or just the sectors that you don’t like?
I hope we’re all back in school after midterm too. Now if we are all brought back to work after midterm and when everyone shows up will you be on here apologising for insinuating that teachers don’t care about their pupils education?

Don't even bother with genuine replies to this rubbish, someone else will be PUPing later again today or definitely tomorrow

wirelessdude01 · 28-01-2021 01:42PM

paddyirish23 wrote: »

Glad ye are all amused by it, PUP would change the tune fairly quickly!
I hope the Dept calls ye all back after the midterm and let's see who doesn't show up, will tell a tale of who's really interested in their pupils education then!

No need to chew Paddy when you can swallow us whole!!!

Bananaleaf · 28-01-2021 02:10PM

paddyirish23 wrote: »

Glad ye are all amused by it, PUP would change the tune fairly quickly!
I hope the Dept calls ye all back after the midterm and let's see who doesn't show up, will tell a tale of who's really interested in their pupils education then!

PUP would change the tune indeed, lol but not of the teachers.

Stateofyou · 28-01-2021 02:10PM

paddyirish23 wrote: »

Schools not due to open until 12th April after Easter... if you think that's a short time after paddy's day ye really have too much time off!
I will fight the good fight, my child as a right to be educated.
Mandatory masks for primary kids, will ye cop on. Next ye will want them in their own plastic cubes! We can't even get ye to agree to go back with a smaller class size, what makes ppl think wearing a mask will change ye're mind?
What happens to the kids who can't wear a mask? Honestly gone ridiculous, let's just give ye extra pay and longer holidays while we're at it!

1. Teacher's haven't had more time off than usual. They are working, from home, just like me and hundreds of thousands of other parents and citizens.

2. Would you ever cop on to the fact that this virus is airborne and all health experts now say masks are an important tool for limiting spread.

3. Plastic cubes are not recommended. Ventilation is.

4. No plan for smaller class sizes for primary or secondary has been suggested or implemented as far as I'm aware. You've completely made that up.

5. Children wear masks in many countries without issue. My two in primary wore them every day this school year as did a small handful of others in their classes/in the school. VERY few would have issue wearing a mask.

6. Extra pay for our teachers is a great idea, instead of inflating minister salaries. Teachers mould and nurture our children, and look after the vulnerable children in society - all of who are our country's future. Very important job if you ask me. Most don't have the resources they need, either. By far your best sentence in that rant.

Stateofyou · 28-01-2021 02:12PM

billy_beckham wrote: »

Politicians tried to get schools back open and failed, teacher's and the Unions driving the bus now!!

Someone has to drive the bus as quite clearly Norma Foley is asleep at the wheel.

Bananaleaf · 28-01-2021 02:15PM

Lunch time! Do you know what is really sh1tty? I just had two back-to-back classes with 1st years and they were both asking me if I knew when we would be back to school. They are actually enjoying the online learning, but they had initially been told it would be back to normal on Monday and they were wondering if that was still the case.

I told them that I didn't think that they would be back on Monday, with all the talk of a staggered return to schools, but that also the government has not actually officially said one way or the other. One girl said to me "But, it's Thursday, when are they going to let us know?'

The amount of organisational skills we drum into kids from such an early age. We teach them that these are qualities that they will need in life to thrive. And the leaders of our country on the other hand can't find their way out of a paper bag. I'm mortified for them

Stateofyou · 28-01-2021 02:20PM

paddyirish23 wrote: »

Glad ye are all amused by it, PUP would change the tune fairly quickly!
I hope the Dept calls ye all back after the midterm and let's see who doesn't show up, will tell a tale of who's really interested in their pupils education then!

All teachers went back in Sept.

And if the unions have to step in again as the only adult in the room to ensure health and safety of school staff and children and leave politics out of it, then so be it.

The dept has underfunded the education sector but especially so with SN's for decades and then failed to properly plan for any of our children the last 11 months so yeah, we can tell who's really (not) interested in our children's education.

Bananaleaf · 28-01-2021 02:26PM

Stateofyou wrote: »

we can tell who's really (not) interested in our children's education.

this isn't just true of the government either. Quite a few here that are running their own resentful agenda too

Stateofyou · 28-01-2021 02:35PM

mohawk wrote: »

Ireland isn’t the only country where primary children don’t wear masks. Some countries mandate it others don’t.

But some countries do, and those children didn't melt

My point regarding SLT children is when you put masks on them it will be harder for them to communicate. They are a minority sure but most primary schools have children who have communication issues.

Being in school getting on the best they can wearing masks is probably better than everyone staying at home.

Yes my lad like majority of kids wore a mask in shops (He stopped going into shop once numbers got high again). You don’t spend long in a shop.

So.... wearing a mask in a setting that in you're in for a longer period time that is far riskier is a good idea then, yeah?

Maybe the government will make all children wear masks as a way of getting teachers back to schools who knows. I will say that the best, by far the most effective way to reduce Covid transmission in schools is low level of covid in the community. When the cases started to climb in December it was starting to cause big problems for schools.

Yes, but it was also a far bigger problem than government would allow. And now we have more serious strains..

Lillyfae · 28-01-2021 02:36PM

Stateofyou wrote: »

6. Extra pay for our teachers is a great idea, instead of inflating minister salaries. Teachers mould and nurture our children, and look after the vulnerable children in society - all of who are our country's future. Very important job if you ask me. Most don't have the resources they need, either. By far your best sentence in that rant.

Instead of inflated minister salaries, pump money into school infrastructure, facilities, more staff etc etc. Paying teachers more is completely unnecessary and will do nothing to improve the systemic issues that exist in education.

Stateofyou · 28-01-2021 02:40PM

Bananaleaf wrote: »

this isn't just true of the government either. Quite a few here that are running their own resentful agenda too

Yep. Yet when it comes to solutions making schools safer so that they can reopen, suddenly there's a huge personal problem on their end. Hypocritical.

Stateofyou · 28-01-2021 02:43PM

Lillyfae wrote: »

Absolutely not. Instead of inflated minister salaries, pump money into school infrastructure, facilities, more staff etc etc. Paying teachers more is completely unnecessary and will do nothing to improve the systemic issues that exist in education.

Oh absolutely! For one teachers often spend their own money for proper resources to teach our kids, especially SN's from what I hear. 2. Higher salaries are not only deserved for the role that's in it but it can attract talent into the sector.

Proper sector funding/support too, which I've said all along on this thread.

Bananaleaf · 28-01-2021 02:44PM

Stateofyou wrote: »

Oh absolutely! For one teachers often spend their own money for proper resources to teach our kids, especially SN's from what I hear. 2. Higher salaries are not only deserved for the role that's in it but it can attract talent into the sector.

Proper sector funding/support too, which I've said all along on this thread.

A lot need to be hit where it hurts (actually being responsible for their own children :eek: ) before they're willing to even acknowledge the issue

Lillyfae · 28-01-2021 02:55PM

Bananaleaf wrote: »

A lot need to be hit where it hurts (actually being responsible for their own children :eek: ) before they're willing to even acknowledge the issue

That's really unfair. Parents have no say whatsoever in any pay or funding allocated. They're doing their best dealing with a myriad of issues at the moment. Who could ever have expected to be homeschooling and keeping a roof over their children's heads when family planning? With no support or understanding whatsoever from employers or government I might add.

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Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) Mod warning in OP 22/01