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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #1532
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    From the guardian live feed

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2021/jan/28/coronavirus-live-news-who-says-covid-war-can-be-won-white-house-predicts-90000-more-deaths-by-march?CMP=share_btn_tw&page=with:block-6012785d8f089620aae27e40#block-6012785d8f089620aae27e40
    Portugal says situation is 'terrible'
    Portugal is in a terrible phase of the coronavirus pandemic, the prime minister, António Costa said, warning that it would be some weeks before things might start to improve and only limited help could be expected from abroad.

    With a total of 668,951 confirmed Covid-19 cases and 11,305 deaths, including a record 293 dead on Wednesday, Portugal has the world’s highest seven-day average of new daily cases and deaths per million inhabitants.

    The situation was not “bad”, it was “terrible”, Costa told the TVI broadcaster overnight.

    “There is no point in feeding the illusion that we are not facing the worst moment,” he said. “And we’ll face this worst moment for a few more weeks, that is for sure.”

    Costa said the situation had worsened partly because his government relaxed restrictive measures between Christmas and the end of the year, but also due to the virulence of a new variant of the virus first detected in Britain, Reuters reports.

    Germany said on Wednesday that it was sending military medical experts to Portugal to see what kind of support it could bring. But Costa warned there was only so much Germany and other European partners could do, adding that “one should be cautious” about the idea of sending patients to foreign countries - like Germany, for instance, did last year with patients just across the border in France.


  • #1533
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Don't know if anyone posted this yesterday. Didn't someone mention a doctor dying recently and was given grief over it.

    Tributes to Dublin doctor who died with Covid-19
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/tributes-to-dublin-doctor-who-died-with-covid-19-1.4468457?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


  • #1534
    Le Bruise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭Le Bruise


    funnydoggy wrote: »
    Need to get a few bits for college. Anyone know - are Easons open? It says so on google but it may be outdated info.

    Eason's are indeed open. Was in the one in Liffey Valley last week picking up some bits for work.


  • #1535
    J Mysterio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,189 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I'm far more interested in the creation of a COVID spy network.

    For instance, hire Brazilian spies to spy on what is happening in the community; social media etc.; and report it to the authorities before these spreader events take place. Those found guilty of breaching the guidelines are jailed for at least 14-days, and allowed back into the community if a negative PCR test is produced. Repeat offenders are deported.

    A permanent ban on Brazilians and Portuguese people from entering the country.

    Furthermore, a database must be created for any undocumented Brazilians in the country, who must be asked to prove their status. In time, they can be deported from the country.

    They are generally a young and lax community and robust law enforcement must be applied disproportionately to those more likely to increase the spread of the virus.

    Ah, the new Gestapo. Sounds great Herr Himmler.


  • #1536
    DOCARCH
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,906 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    spookwoman wrote: »
    Don't know if anyone posted this yesterday. Didn't someone mention a doctor dying recently and was given grief over it.

    Somebody did. Not sure they got grief?


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  • #1537
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,844 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    spookwoman wrote: »
    Don't know if anyone posted this yesterday. Didn't someone mention a doctor dying recently and was given grief over it.

    Tributes to Dublin doctor who died with Covid-19
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/tributes-to-dublin-doctor-who-died-with-covid-19-1.4468457?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

    Yes, timeline seems to fit.


  • #1538
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    J Mysterio wrote: »
    Ah, the new Gestapo. Sounds great Herr Himmler.

    Absurd conclusion.

    If these avoidable social events were to continue unimpeded, the virus would continue to spread far more than it otherwise needs to - and this is at a critical juncture of the pandemic, too.

    If that happened, you would be first in line to argue that government should have taken additional steps to ensure the public were compliant.

    In other words: damned if you do, damned if you don't.


  • #1539
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,371 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Portugal about to declare a state of emergency as their hospitals are under severe pressure.

    Have we banned flights to Portugal?


  • #1540
    DraftDodger
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 284 ✭✭DraftDodger


    Oh dear i see some posters actually think zero covid means zero cases. After a year of this you'd imagine a little bit of reading and research would go a long way :o


  • #1541
    Cerveza
    Closed Accounts Posts: 424 ✭✭Cerveza


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Portugal about to declare a state of emergency as their hospitals are under severe pressure.

    Have we banned flights to Portugal?

    No, neighbour is flying off to Faro tomorrow for a week. Taking one of the small recovery trucks to get around the Garda and their questions.


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  • #1542
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,039 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Absurd conclusion.

    Well, if you suggest setting up a spy network to deport dodgy Brazilians, it's not just the conclusions that can be absurd.


  • #1543
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    Le Bruise wrote: »
    Eason's are indeed open. Was in the one in Liffey Valley last week picking up some bits for work.




    GRMA :)


  • #1544
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Polar101 wrote: »
    Well, if you suggest setting up a spy network to deport dodgy Brazilians, it's not just the conclusions that can be absurd.

    Spy networks are used all the time in law enforcement.

    And in many respects, we already have them: for example, citizens reporting parties that are ongoing etc. The principle is exactly the same.

    This is not a novel concept; and it's not limited to the extreme examples you cite - a la 1930s etc.


  • #1545
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    Somebody did. Not sure they got grief?
    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Yes, timeline seems to fit.

    Just remember a having a go becuase nothing to back it up.

    User since banned and it was back on the 6th when they posted about hearing of the death.


  • #1546
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    DraftDodger wrote: »
    Oh dear i see some posters actually think zero covid means zero cases. After a year of this you'd imagine a little bit of reading and research would go a long way :o

    Well, maybe all those Ryans and McConkeys out there would have been well served to not have called it zero Covid and gone on and on and on and on about it. And instead looked at a pragmatic approach which would have suppressed the virus while at the same time acknowledging that elimination is literally impossible. But, no, they have not shifted from their elimination strategy. If they’d been more pragmatic then they might have got somewhere


  • #1547
    Kimbot
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,857 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    Cerveza wrote: »
    No, neighbour is flying off to Faro tomorrow for a week. Taking one of the small recovery trucks to get around the Garda and their questions.

    So your neighbour is going on a little holiday?


  • #1548
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Well, maybe all those Ryans and McConkeys out there would have been well served to not have called it zero Covid and gone on and on and on and on about it. And instead looked at a pragmatic approach which would have suppressed the virus while at the same time acknowledging that elimination is literally impossible. But, no, they have not shifted from their elimination strategy. If they’d been more pragmatic then they might have got somewhere

    So it's the fault of those that advocated a certain approach that we didn't pursue the approach they advocated for?


  • #1549
    Cerveza
    Closed Accounts Posts: 424 ✭✭Cerveza


    Kimbot wrote: »
    So your neighbour is going on a little holiday?

    A two week break, him and his partner. They do it every year.


  • #1550
    Kimbot
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,857 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    Cerveza wrote: »
    A two week break, him and his partner. They do it every year.

    Regardless of doing it every year, its not essential.


  • #1551
    Cerveza
    Closed Accounts Posts: 424 ✭✭Cerveza


    Kimbot wrote: »
    Regardless of doing it every year, its not essential.

    I’m not going to be a little Hitler and telling them what they can and can’t do.


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  • #1552
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Cerveza wrote: »
    A two-week break, him and his partner. They do it every year.

    Report it to the authorities at once.

    It should not go ahead under any circumstances.


  • #1553
    Derek Zoolander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Derek Zoolander


    DraftDodger wrote: »
    Oh dear i see some posters actually think zero covid means zero cases. After a year of this you'd imagine a little bit of reading and research would go a long way :o

    I don't think anyone thinks that - outside of the fact that there is no implementation plan and no tangible way to address the border and the way to import good to ireland - there is also no tangible exit strategy for zero covid - and with vaccines around the corner thats not something that is palatable to a lot of people...

    I'd favour a quasi zero covid strategy of enforced quarantine until May / make cross-border travel as difficult/awkard as possible - but lay out specific timing/ conditions for easing of this.

    The problem with full NZ/Aus strategy is they've said borders will remain closed for all of 2021 and potentially well into 2022.


  • #1554
    Kimbot
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,857 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    Cerveza wrote: »
    I’m not going to be a little Hitler and telling them what they can and can’t do.

    Well they should be playing their part in this not being part of the problem!


  • #1555
    Cerveza
    Closed Accounts Posts: 424 ✭✭Cerveza


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Report it to the authorities at once.

    It should not go ahead under any circumstances.

    I’ll make a note of it in my diary.


  • #1556
    Derek Zoolander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Derek Zoolander


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So it's the fault of those that advocated a certain approach that we didn't pursue the approach they advocated for?

    if you want something implemented you need to provide a full implementation roadmap... otherwise you're just another hurler on the ditch


  • #1557
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Derek Zoolander wrote: »
    if you want something implemented you need to provide a full implementation roadmap... otherwise you're just another hurler on the ditch

    A roadmap you say?

    https://www.pbp.ie/zero-covid-strategy/


  • #1558
    alexonhisown
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 667 ✭✭✭alexonhisown


    Cerveza wrote: »
    I’ll make a note of it in my diary.

    Are they going for a week or 2 weeks, you are contradicting yourself.

    Anyway, i think its wrong to stop people going away if they stick to the quarantine/testing rules when they get back.
    If its enforced properly, its doable.

    After all any other nationality can enter this country atm


  • #1559
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    So it's the fault of those that advocated a certain approach that we didn't pursue the approach they advocated for?

    Yes. Because they refused to make it realistic


  • #1560
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    A roadmap you say?

    https://www.pbp.ie/zero-covid-strategy/

    Another one here

    https://www.isagcovid19.org/


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  • #1561
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Cerveza wrote: »
    No, neighbour is flying off to Faro tomorrow for a week. Taking one of the small recovery trucks to get around the Garda and their questions.

    haha

    that's fantastic. the idiots are flying into harsher restrictions than we face here. they'll be confined to their holiday home for two weeks, and possibly face two weeks mandatory quarantine on their return

    bon voyage


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