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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • #1982
    completedit
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    UDAWINNER wrote: »
    I will continue to "play along" to ensure my parents, relatives and friends are safe. It isn't all all about one person, it's about keeping the community safe. Care about someone else other than yourself. Don't be swanning to Lanza for a holiday during a pandemic, follow the rules ffs and don't be a selfish prick exploiting loopholes


    What does this mean. Keep safe. It's most very safe out there. Very safe indeed. The problem is we just don't have health care systems which are built for such events. It's not the disease that's the problem; it's our infrastructure. Too low a number needs to come down with Covid seriously efore it creates problems for our health systems.


  • #1983
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    UDAWINNER wrote: »
    I will continue to "play along" to ensure my parents, relatives and friends are safe. It isn't all all about one person, it's about keeping the community safe. Care about someone else other than yourself. Don't be swanning to Lanza for a holiday during a pandemic, follow the rules ffs and don't be a selfish prick exploiting loopholes

    Destroy the economy completely to protect a tiny percentage of the community? No economy = no health service (which was already on it's knees). No economy = people can't afford their mortgages and lose their homes. There's a tipping point somewhere along this line of burning down the village to save it. Hence the question.


  • #1984
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    completedit wrote: »
    What does this mean. Keep safe. It's most very safe out there. Very safe indeed. The problem is we just don't have health care systems which are built for such events. It's not the disease that's the problem; it's our infrastructure and population densities and size.

    No health system is able to for this?


  • #1985
    doublejobbing 2
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    When the nightly figures come in I don't even look at the deaths figures. They are meaningless without context. We have been lied to enough already in the last 11 months that I hold absolutely no faith in the information we are given.

    Has Tony stopped pretending 2% of cases are travel related yet?

    Remember when we were two or so days away from opening the wet pubs? NPHET suddenly found a glut of cases to put the kibosh on that one.

    Few days later cases miraculously returned to the level they had been for weeks before.


  • #1986
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    Is this not the exact same thread as fifty more we've had before?

    You'd swear a global pandemic wasnt on, lads, and that this was business as usual except some key decision makers had decided to play silly buggers.

    Id have thought that the surge post-christmas would have been enough for any fair-minded adult to have acknowledged what we are dealing with here.


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  • #1987
    Jinglejangle69
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Is this not the exact same thread as fifty more we've had before?

    You'd swear a global pandemic wasnt on, lads, and that this was business as usual except some key decision makers had decided to play silly buggers.

    Id have thought that the surge post-christmas would have been enough for any fair-minded adult to have acknowledged what we are dealing with here.

    Eaten bread is soon forgotten.


  • #1988
    completedit
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Is this not the exact same thread as fifty more we've had before?

    You'd swear a global pandemic wasnt on, lads, and that this was business as usual except some key decision makers had decided to play silly buggers.

    Id have thought that the surge post-christmas would have been enough for any fair-minded adult to have acknowledged what we are dealing with here.

    True. But there's still arguments like why don't the vulnerable isolate and let people live as normal. Why does everyone have to suffer when we could just be sensible in our interactions with those most vulnerable. It's not ideal, in fact it's awful but that's basically what we are all experiencing now anyway. So rather than have everyone suffer, let's offer the elderly support while vaccines are being rolled out and let everyone live like normal.


  • #1989
    Jinglejangle69
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    completedit wrote: »
    True. But there's still arguments like why don't the vulnerable isolate and let people live as normal. Why does everyone have to suffer when we could just be sensible in our interactions with those most vulnerable. It's not ideal, in fact it's awful but that's basically what we are all experiencing now anyway. So rather than have everyone suffer, let's offer the elderly support while vaccines are being rolled out and let everyone live like normal.

    That worked well at xmas didn't it!!!

    People can't be trusted to protect the vulnerable.

    They had to have mammys Xmas Dinner.

    Along with granny......


  • #1990
    NIMAN
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    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    That worked well at xmas didn't it!!!

    People can't be trusted to protect the vulnerable.

    They had to have mammys Xmas Dinner.

    Along with granny......

    And there is even a post on another covid thread that an elderly couple died recently, probably infected by their own family who returned for xmas.


  • #1991
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    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    That worked well at xmas didn't it!!!

    People can't be trusted to protect the vulnerable.

    They had to have mammys Xmas Dinner.

    Along with granny......

    So if the vaccines aren't as successful as they hope, you will continue along with these type of restrictions indefinitely?


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  • #1992
    completedit
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    Well, the elderly person should have more sense. And so should the children who invited them for dinner. Instead, because people can't look after their own parents, lives and futures are being destroyed. It's grossly unfair the longer time goes on. Life is about overcoming obstacles and we shouldn't be too indulgent in our misery either but it's only natural that people will begin to say, like the op says, enough is enough.

    Life carries risk and danger. It's what makes life what is really. In any walk of life this would be repeated as a great truth, however, with covid we are acting like people don't die. I just don't understand it. Names of victims on Prime time. Touching but why don't we pay homage to people who die everyday of all types of ailments?


  • #1993
    Jinglejangle69
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    NIMAN wrote: »
    And there is even a post on another covid thread that an elderly couple died recently, probably infected by their own family who returned for xmas.

    But sure it's as easy as just saying shield the elderly and we can all get on with our lives!!

    Not Ireland unfortunately, as we learned a month ago.

    Maybe in other countries.


  • #1994
    Jinglejangle69
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    So if the vaccines aren't as successful as they hope, you will continue along with these type of restrictions indefinitely?

    No but I wouldn't pin my hopes on people shielding and protecting the elderly so we can get on with it.


  • #1995
    Jinglejangle69
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    completedit wrote: »
    Well, the elderly person should have more sense. And so should the children who invited them for dinner. Instead, because people can't look after their own parents, lives and futures are being destroyed. It's grossly unfair the longer time goes on. Life is about overcoming obstacles and we shouldn't be too indulgent in our misery either but it's only natural that people will begin to say, like the op says, enough is enough.

    Yes these people should have more sense but unfortunately not all people think like you and I.

    They need protecting from their own stupidity.


  • #1996
    sabat
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    If this was 1990 we wouldn't even have noticed it happening, except for maybe people saying "there's a bad dose going around."


  • #1997
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    sabat wrote: »
    If this was 1990 we wouldn't even have noticed it happening, except for maybe people saying "there's a bad dose going around."

    Stupid statement.

    We would have known, there would have been a demand for oxygen.


  • #1998
    completedit
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    sabat wrote: »
    If this was 1990 we wouldn't even have noticed it happening, except for maybe people saying "there's a bad dose going around."

    I thought so until the last few weeks.

    But what is amazing is that despite being in a global pandemic, despite all the warnings of collapsing health care systems, it hasn't actually happened anywhere form what I can tell. We had videos from Bergomo in March and after that, nothing.


  • #1999
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    OP,

    "The average age of people dying from Covid is the average age of people dying anyway. Sorry if that sounds cold, but it’s the truth."

    That's bull plop. Whatever else you're arguing, that's just not true.


  • #2000
    completedit
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    OP,

    "The average age of people dying from Covid is the average age of people dying anyway. Sorry if that sounds cold, but it’s the truth."

    That's bull plop. Whatever else you're arguing, that's just not true.

    I don't know if intentional by OP but that line is literally from the CSO. It's very true.

    But this isn't enough for many people and fair enough. Their attitude is that we can save people and give them extra years, even if they are at a very old age already. We revere the elderly in our cultures, in indigenous tribes in South America, they'd be clubbed to death for being a burden on everyone else. The major difference is we have central banks. You'll resort to anything if the situation calls for it.


  • #2001
    gctest50
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    OP,

    "The average age of people dying from Covid is the average age of people dying anyway. Sorry if that sounds cold, but it’s the truth."

    That's bull plop. Whatever else you're arguing, that's just not true.


    " In almost 88% of deaths there was an underlying condition, the median age of these deaths was 83, the same as that for all deaths "


    " Further analysis found that 14% of all confirmed cases are people aged 80+, despite only making up 3% of the population."


    Fossils costing the country a fortune again

    More here :

    https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/br/b-cdc/covid-19deathsandcases/


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  • #2002
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    OP,

    "The average age of people dying from Covid is the average age of people dying anyway. Sorry if that sounds cold, but it’s the truth."

    That's bull plop. Whatever else you're arguing, that's just not true.

    It is indeed true; see above CSO links from other posters.

    How could you not already know this? Would also be curious to know what you thought the average age of Covid deaths was?


  • #2003
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    The average age of people dying from Covid is the average age of people dying anyway. Sorry if that sounds cold, but it’s the truth..

    I hope I never reach the point where I become this callous.


  • #2004
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I hope I never reach the point where I become this callous.

    The statistics are callous? This an emotional reaction and not addressing the original question.


  • #2005
    gctest50
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It is indeed true; see above CSO links from other posters.

    How could you not already know this? Would also be curious to know what you thought the average age of Covid deaths was?


    The above is about the median age as well, so less skewed than the average by say a few 100+ year olds


  • #2006
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    I'd take a stab in the dark and say that on March 5th, the restrictions will be again extended, for 2 weeks, to mid march. Then they'll tack on 4 more weeks of level 3. I reckon April will be back to level 3 as vaccines are more widespread and the level system will taper off slowly across the summer and things will start to get scheduled again, and people will return to normal.

    They won't set a 'date' for the 'end of restrictions' as people would turn it into a big party, and put us right back where we started.


  • #2007
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It is indeed true; see above CSO links from other posters.

    How could you not already know this? Would also be curious to know what you thought the average age of Covid deaths was?

    I was thinking more of excess deaths and those of younger than average age - but I maybe wrong. That's my lunch time sorted tomorrow.


  • #2008
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'd take a stab in the dark and say that on March 5th, the restrictions will be again extended, for 2 weeks, to mid march. Then they'll tack on 4 more weeks of level 3. I reckon April will be back to level 3 as vaccines are more widespread and the level system will taper off slowly across the summer and things will start to get scheduled again, and people will return to normal.

    They won't set a 'date' for the 'end of restrictions' as people would turn it into a big party, and put us right back where we started.

    So how long are you willing to go along with levels 3-5 type restrictions?


  • #2009
    poisonated
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    There’s a part of me that agrees with the op. As well as what has been stated, we don’t know if the vaccine will protect against the South African strain.


  • #2010
    beauf
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    One thing blatantly obvious is we cannot continue beyond 2021 the way we are currently. There’s already going to be severe economic consequences for us in the years ahead. ....

    . The average age of people dying from Covid is the average age of people dying anyway. Sorry if that sounds cold, but it’s the truth....

    Not everyone is financially worse of by it. Many people are actually financially better off. So many people can keep going (financially) indefinitely. Longer it goes on the better off they will be.

    If the sole metric of importance is financial, and if more are better off than worse off. Then the consensus will be to keep going.


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  • #2011
    46 Long
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    UDAWINNER wrote: »
    I will continue to "play along" to ensure my parents, relatives and friends are safe. It isn't all all about one person, it's about keeping the community safe. Care about someone else other than yourself. Don't be swanning to Lanza for a holiday during a pandemic, follow the rules ffs and don't be a selfish prick exploiting loopholes

    No one's talking about swanning off on holidays or being a 'selfish prick' looking for loopholes.

    People just want the small, everyday pleasures in life again. Visiting family and loved ones. A few pints with the lads on a Friday night. Weekend breakfast at the local coffee shop. Visiting the beach or spending time outdoors without being intercepted by a bored member of an Garda Siochana with a million and one better things to be doing with his time.

    Or sure fúck it, we could always have another lockdown and delude ourselves that it might actually work this time around if only we locked down harder and longer. The beatings will continue until morale improves, right?


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