Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

Lundstram · 26-01-2021 11:52PM

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Well well well. No great surprise to read this post from you old buddy. For the 2nd year in a row you can`t wait to get out of this "****hole country" eh?. At least your fake concern for Irish hospitality/economy act is being clearly exposed for the sham that it always has been. Pathetic.

Imagine spending double or triple on holidaying in Ireland in 2020 where you couldn’t even have a pint indoors in a traditional pub or even go to a match, but you could do all this stuff in Spain, Portugal etc last summer.

Why? Because we endured the toughest restrictions in Europe in summer 2020.

Now that’s pathetic.

Ginger n Lemon · 26-01-2021 11:54PM

Lundstram wrote: »

Imagine spending double or triple on holidaying in Ireland in 2020 where you couldn’t even have a pint indoors in a traditional pub or even go to a match, but you could do all this stuff in Spain, Portugal etc last summer.

Why? Because we endured the toughest restrictions in Europe in summer 2020.

Now that’s pathetic.

Imagine staying in Ireland for the full year in 2020, and even now, and all you do is quote and remind another individual of his holidays abroad.

Damn.

ceadaoin. · 26-01-2021 11:55PM

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Well well well. No great surprise to read this post from you old buddy. For the 2nd year in a row you can`t wait to get out of this "****hole country" eh?. At least your fake concern for Irish hospitality/economy act is being clearly exposed for the sham that it always has been. Pathetic.

How is someone supposed to support the shutdown for months Irish hospitality industry though?

Lundstram · 26-01-2021 11:56PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Dont even start this absolute bullsh*t of we are in this together.

We havent been in this together from the very start. These cnts are on six digits. Running their mouth over things they have absolutely no control or knowledge over, EVERY SINGLE DAY.

Its a good time to own Irish times and Examiner thats for sure. Clicks and views keep coming in.

Bloody schools closed. Gyms closed. Retail closed. Theatres closed. Cinemas closed. EVERY FKIN thing is closed. Yet we have just went into another 6 week lockdown??? This is absolute insanity. I never had so much hatred for something in my entire life.

I am very angry as you can tell. But, I do understand that some people have it even worse. to all the parents who have been financially impacted by this nonsense and whose children are not getting proper education - I am very sorry.

Said it from the start on this very thread. Children should be in school no matter what happens. The damage that’s being done to their social development, their mental health, their education and overall well-being is bordering on criminal.

Multiply that by 10 for kids with disabilities and special needs.

I don’t even have children.

FintanMcluskey · 26-01-2021 11:57PM

Lundstram wrote: »

Imagine spending double or triple on holidaying in Ireland in 2020 where you couldn’t even have a pint indoors in a traditional pub or even go to a match, but you could do all this stuff in Spain, Portugal etc last summer.

Why? Because we endured the toughest restrictions in Europe in summer 2020.

Now that’s pathetic.

They are harassing and baiting citizens in Ireland with fines on beaches and out scenic walkways, how is that a holiday?

€2000 for a weekend in south Cork. It will be pissing rain, freezing cold and you need to find a rat run to get there and the guards may tail you to hit you with a fine, all in the name of the nations health.

Graham · 26-01-2021 11:59PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

What base are you suggesting?

On the 1st June last year, the 7 day average was below 50 which gave us 4 months of very low numbers before increasing rapidly in October.

If we can get to a base around there, four months would give us an opportunity to vaccinate the first 700,000 people and work through the planned 3,700,000 doses (Apr - Jun) before the next 3,800,000 start to arrive (Jul - Sep).

acequion · 27-01-2021 12:08AM

Lundstram wrote: »

Said it from the start on this very thread. Children should be in school no matter what happens. The damage that’s being done to their social development, their mental health, their education and overall well-being is bordering on criminal.

Multiply that by 10 for kids with disabilities and special needs.

I don’t even have children.

What???? :eek: I was certain you must be a parent the way you were going on about schools. Maybe the parent of a special needs child I was thinking.

But you haven't a clue what you're talking about if you're neither a parent nor someone who works with young people or works in a school. So maybe give your apocalyptic predictions re kids a rest. Like I told you before teachers are doing their level best and most kids are getting on fine. Not all and we wouldn't want it to continue much longer, but most are grand. If you don't want to believe me that's fine but you can't be making sweeping statements like that without basing it on either good anecdotal or factual evidence.

I like your posts and agree with you on lots of things but not this one.

Kunta Kinte · 27-01-2021 12:10AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

How is someone supposed to support the shutdown for months Irish hospitality industry though?

I and many people that I know did just that last summer after Irish hotels/B&Bs /gastropubs reopened. Evidently some on this thread couldn`t wait to get out of this "****hole country" as soon as they could despite caterwauling for months about Irish hospitality not being open.

johnboy1298 · 27-01-2021 12:10AM

Graham wrote: »

On the 1st June last year, the 7 day average was below 50 which gave us 4 months of very low numbers before increasing rapidly in October.

If we can get to a base around there, four months would give us an opportunity to vaccinate the first 700,000 people and work through the planned 3,700,000 doses before the next 3,800,000 start to arrive in July.

I would think we can't keep the number this low anymore, we averaged 300 a day in November and now the variants spread too easily and we have yet to introduce any border control, the only hope of numbers this low happening is an all island approach. At this stage rolling out the vaccine is really all there is to it, this is the only solution to this mess. As well as protecting the vulnerable it should slow the spread too.

Lundstram · 27-01-2021 12:22AM

acequion wrote: »

What???? :eek: I was certain you must be a parent the way you were going on about schools. Maybe the parent of a special needs child I was thinking.

But you haven't a clue what you're talking about if you're neither a parent nor someone who works with young people or works in a school. So maybe give your apocalyptic predictions re kids a rest. Like I told you before teachers are doing their level best and most kids are getting on fine. Not all and we wouldn't want it to continue much longer, but most are grand. If you don't want to believe me that's fine but you can't be making sweeping statements like that without basing it on either good anecdotal or factual evidence.

I like your posts and agree with you on lots of things but not this one.

Same goes on your last line but we’ll have to agree to disagree on this particular subject. You cannot in anyway know this is having no affect on kids. Do you honestly believe pretty much a year away from school is not having an adverse affect on their overall development?

Are you suggesting I don’t have a clue since I don’t have children? That’s pretty insulting to be honest.

I’m doing a part time degree at the moment, it’s gone all online now and it’s not the same, nowhere near it. Face to face teaching cannot be substituted.

Teachers and their union have far too much power in this country.

SN teaching going on across Europe except Ireland. That says it all.

27-01-2021 12:39AM

Graham wrote: »

On the 1st June last year, the 7 day average was below 50 which gave us 4 months of very low numbers before increasing rapidly in October.

If we can get to a base around there, four months would give us an opportunity to vaccinate the first 700,000 people and work through the planned 3,700,000 doses (Apr - Jun) before the next 3,800,000 start to arrive (Jul - Sep).

A few things worth noting though.

Public support was much higher back then.
Schools were closed
Restaurants were still closed until 29th June, as were other things
Wet pubs never opened
There was a lockdown in Kildare, Laois and Offaly for a month
Heavy restrictions were quickly reintroduced in Dublin

Jim Gazebo · 27-01-2021 12:40AM

Sick and tired of it all. Glad I am away for work in a few weeks, I'll just be glad to be working. Living to work, a sad sad state of affairs, I really did not think we would be in virtually the same position as last march now. With no sign of improvement. We are just sitting here paralysed and no one is doing anything about it, just the usual #inthistogether #holdfirm crap.

Hold firm for what?! Lockdown 4.

27-01-2021 12:43AM

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

I and many people that I know did just that last summer after Irish hotels/B&Bs /gastropubs reopened. Evidently some on this thread couldn`t wait to get out of this "****hole country" as soon as they could despite caterwauling for months about Irish hospitality not being open.

Just because you’re allowed, doesn’t mean you had to go.

You want people water cannoned for breaking restrictions but you were glad to go out last year?

Interesting. So you need the government to tell you exactly what you can and can’t do.

Mr. Karate · 27-01-2021 12:49AM

Graham wrote: »

It's definitely heading in the right direction.

Open too much, too soon and we'll be heading back in the wrong direction all too quickly.

I'm not expecting to unlock this week, but give us some hope that we're on the way to resuming normality [or some form of it] soon wouldn't kill them. Instead they're talking about locking down Christmas and beyond.

completedit · 27-01-2021 12:55AM

Seweryn wrote: »

Mass protests (or better - mass disobedience) could happen if the government cut off the PUP support. That would actually "help" people to wake up earlier and do something about the situation.

In some countries (Italy and Poland for example) business started to open up again despite the restrictions, as people need to earn a living and put food on the table.

Happened in Prague today. We have our strong points as a nation but defiance isn't one of them. We'll see what happens there.

Graham · 27-01-2021 01:10AM

Deleted User wrote: »

A few things worth noting though.

Public support was much higher back then.
Schools were closed
Restaurants were still closed until 29th June, as were other things
Wet pubs never opened
There was a lockdown in Kildare, Laois and Offaly for a month
Heavy restrictions were quickly reintroduced in Dublin

All valid points JD.

I don't expect restriction to stop if we get 7/14-day rolling averages below 100.

What I do hope is restrictions can be relaxed somewhat while the vaccination program is underway.

The 4 months of low case numbers last year could be enough to see half the population or more vaccinated in the first half of this year. That could get us an extra month or two while the vaccination program continues enough to avoid another peak like this one.

dalyboy · 27-01-2021 01:23AM

Mr. Karate wrote: »

I'm not expecting to unlock this week, but give us some hope that we're on the way to resuming normality [or some form of it] soon wouldn't kill them. Instead they're talking about locking down Christmas and beyond.

Poster child New Zealand will be Europe’s pied piper unfortunately

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/health-safety/new-zealands-borders-likely-to-stay-closed-for-the-whole-of-2021/news-story/a53a6e7c77c978d63c0326381b1ac64c

Never mind the 4 thousand km distance from anywhere else New Zealand has.
Forget our political and potential paramilitary sh1t storm of closing our northern border.

Remember in cloud cookoo land anything is possible. Let’s clap and flap away and we can do it guys.

Zero covid heroes ........ assemble.

growleaves · 27-01-2021 01:32AM

Tunisians breaking curfew to protest their government - it was on Euronews TV

ypres5 · 27-01-2021 01:40AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

They are harassing and baiting citizens in Ireland with fines on beaches and out scenic walkways, how is that a holiday?

€2000 for a weekend in south Cork. It will be pissing rain, freezing cold and you need to find a rat run to get there and the guards may tail you to hit you with a fine, all in the name of the nations health.

not to mention you might get some reception from the locals if they see your reg is from outside the county or not from a neighbouring one.

RGARDINR · 27-01-2021 01:51AM

Jim Gazebo wrote: »

Sick and tired of it all. Glad I am away for work in a few weeks, I'll just be glad to be working. Living to work, a sad sad state of affairs, I really did not think we would be in virtually the same position as last march now. With no sign of improvement. We are just sitting here paralysed and no one is doing anything about it, just the usual #inthistogether #holdfirm crap.

Hold firm for what?! Lockdown 4.

Lockdown 4 coming to a cinema soon, I mean if it could open and all that......

uli84 · 27-01-2021 02:08AM

Well, so over past year good few of my friends/colleagues/family near and far, young and old, in good and ill health had covid. Some had it easy, some suffered, but noone died.

Is this madness really justified? It screams ‘over the top’ for me. Shouldn’t a risk–benefit assessment of this exercise be performed at some stage before further decisions are taken?

wakka12 · 27-01-2021 02:13AM

uli84 wrote: »

Well, so over past year good few of my friends/colleagues/family near and far, young and old, in good and ill health had covid. Some had it easy, some suffered, but noone died.

Is this madness really justified? It screams ‘over the top’ for me. Shouldn’t a risk–benefit assessment of this exercise be performed at some stage before further decisions are taken?

Well only 0.5-1% of people who get it die so chances are it's unlikely most people would know anyone who died of it seeing as most of us probably know less than 100-200 who have had COVID

27-01-2021 02:22AM

One thing blatantly obvious is we cannot continue beyond 2021 the way we are currently. There’s already going to be severe economic consequences for us in the years ahead. Add to that the mental health problems, neglection of other, far more deadly diseases/screenings etc, and I firmly believe that the “management” of this virus will destroy more lives than the virus itself ever will.

The media have been an absolute disgrace, in my opinion. Constantly trying to scare people with never-ending, exaggerated, doom&gloom headlines. Needless to say, I don't pay attention to any of it, but I know others get sucked in and are affected. My advice is to substantially cut down your consumption of "news". You won't be missing out. If something is important enough, you'll hear it outside the likes of RTE.

So, the vaccines either work and we get back to normal. Or, the vaccines don’t work, and we get back to normal anyway. There isn’t really any other option. The average age of people dying from Covid is the average age of people dying anyway. Sorry if that sounds cold, but it’s the truth.

At what point will you say “enough is enough” with all of these lockdowns and adherence to restrictions? Remember, the people making these decisions have not, and will not be financially affected themselves. Considering the government serve the people, and not the other way around, I’m interested to hear how long you will continue to play along before acknowledging that we must simply “live with the virus” and get back to normal, regardless.

daretodream · 27-01-2021 02:24AM

Enough is enough.

bunnyboxer · 27-01-2021 02:25AM

When hospital numbers are down to influenza numbers.

Another three months should be in a good place with vacinnes and can start to reopen.

Kunta Kinte · 27-01-2021 02:26AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Just because you’re allowed, doesn’t mean you had to go.

You want people water cannoned for breaking restrictions but you were glad to go out last year?

Interesting. So you need the government to tell you exactly what you can and can’t do.

My comments were regarding characters like the moronic scumbags who were throwing missiles at the police and wrecking and looting the shop in Holland in the video that was posted the other day. Interesting but not surprising that you should try to twist my comments to suit your biased agenda.

27-01-2021 02:26AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

One thing blatantly obvious is we cannot continue beyond 2021 the way we are currently. There’s already going to be severe economic consequences for us in the years ahead. Add to that the mental health problems, neglection of other, far more deadly diseases/screenings etc, and I firmly believe that the “management” of this virus will destroy more lives than the virus itself ever will.

The media have been an absolute disgrace, in my opinion. Constantly trying to scare people with never-ending, exaggerated, doom&gloom headlines. Needless to say, I don't pay attention to any of it, but I know others get sucked in and are affected. My advice is to substantially cut down your consumption of "news". You won't be missing out. If something is important enough, you'll hear it outside the likes of RTE.

So, the vaccines either work and we get back to normal. Or, the vaccines don’t work, and we get back to normal anyway. There isn’t really any other option. The average age of people dying from Covid is the average age of people dying anyway. Sorry if that sounds cold, but it’s the truth.

At what point will you say “enough is enough” with all of these lockdowns and adherence to restrictions? Remember, the people making these decisions have not, and will not be financially affected themselves. Considering the government serve the people, and not the other way around, I’m interested to hear how long you will continue to play along before acknowledging that we must simply “live with the virus” and get back to normal, regardless.

Enough is enough. It took me about two minutes or so.

If it helps, I said enough is enough in my head after a couple of seconds but I can't type that fast. Could that be a thing? Could you get my thoughts into a kinda mental keyboard thing? I'd sign up for that.

UDAWINNER · 27-01-2021 02:27AM

I will continue to "play along" to ensure my parents, relatives and friends are safe. It isn't all all about one person, it's about keeping the community safe. Care about someone else other than yourself. Don't be swanning to Lanza for a holiday during a pandemic, follow the rules ffs and don't be a selfish prick exploiting loopholes

completedit · 27-01-2021 02:29AM

Will be amazing. Some arbitrarily low number of deaths will replace some other arbritary number of deaths and the sense of fear and hysteria will magically vanish.

The first signs of discontent are emerging in the parts of Europe which have a little less rigid societies and presumably less financial support for businesses. Businesses opening up throughout Central and Eastern Europe. There's only so long that people can put up with this bull****. Eventually governments will make it clear that we have to start to sweat the debt. There's only so many times QE can be initiated. Some might say we passed that point already.

It's hard not to see some major event transpiring as a consequence of what has occurred. What though is anyone's guess.

27-01-2021 02:34AM

April is the height of it in my view, when case numbers are near the floor and the vulnerable received their twin jab. After that, there is a lot of living to be done. A year lost is incredible expense, unwilling to stomach more of this drudgery. And if Leo or Donnelly continue to float garbage about restrictions next winter then I'll be galvanised to march with others.

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