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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #902
    [Deleted User]
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    NIMAN wrote: »
    Yeah but a lot of them aren't.

    So it's safe to assume there are still large numbers of people with the standard flu?

    You'd have to imagine the cold is pretty rampant too. I've heard a lot of people sniffling over the last while, none of them or their families diagnosed with covid as far as i know.


  • #903
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    Coybig_ wrote: »
    Forget about Summer. They mentioned that Christmas 2021 could see restrictions and they then raised the possibility of Covid being around for years or indefinitely - while simultaneously inferring that they will need to keep restrictions because of the possibility of new variants.

    And if the virus is around for as long as they have predicted, of course new variants will emerge!

    I wonder what they mean by restrictions? Next Christmas will we have limits on how many households we can visit and hospitality be closed. Or. Will the restrictions be that nightclubs remain shut and massive indoor events will be capped?


  • #904
    Pulsating Star
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Pulsating Star


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    I genuinely don't get what is going on in ireland. Things here in the US are starting to get back to normal. Some places have been out of restrictions for months, others, even California who have seen record cases in recent weeks, are starting to lift them. Cases, hospitalisations and deaths are falling fairly rapidly all over. Where I am we've come through one surge and now another without any more shutdowns. Life is pretty much normal except for mask wearing. Is this actual herd immunity coming into play?

    Same with the UK, cases dropping dramatically but still it all doom and gloom. Are they just waiting for society to completely collapse or what?

    Starting to worry I'll never see my family again or at least for the forseeable future at this stage as posts on here make it seem like shutting borders is inevitable. Maybe that's why the government doesn't deem issuing passports essential, border closures by stealth lol.

    The US is in the main still dealing with the original strain I believe?
    I think they were fortunate to some degree to have gotten the thanksgiving and Christmas period, with it’s accompanying increased travel and meet ups , over before the new strains have kicked off. Whereas we share a common travel area with a new strain hotspot and got clobbered over Xmas.
    I hope they are wrong but some are saying the level of openness in the US will have to go into a sudden reverse to avoid what’s coming.


  • #905
    Illium
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 ✭Illium


    cannotlogin wrote: »
    People need to stop listening to a stupid comment from Leo and look at the facts. If he was Einstein or something maybe but let's face it, he's a politician and therefore you can take most of what he says with a pinch of salt.

    The government messed up with Christmas opening & now they are doing whst most people who mess up do...over correcting by saying they'll never open too early again.

    Look at the facts:-

    1. Case numbers are falling

    2. Deaths will fall too but there's about a 25 day lag so give it 3/4 weeks to judge

    3. Vaccines are coming

    4. Once HCW & the elderly & vulnerable are vaccinated, there will be multiple positives. Less cases, less deaths & less absenteeism which reduces pressure on hospitals

    5. If things keep going the way they are going (& in fairnesses there are no guarantees just positive indicators) we will see reduced restrictions come March and the lifting of restrictions will be gradual thereafter

    6. You can absolutely guarantee that if the trends continue, the vintners will start shouting after Paddy's day. Non retail, hospitality, hairdressers before that.

    7. The teachers will return to schools again once the numbers go down etc.

    Good news never sells. Only bad & sensational. Again this evening there's a headline stating 50 people attended a funeral in Wexford. 99% of funerals operate within restrictions, but that's not newsworthy etc.

    A small number of vaccines were spoilt...Again news...the vast majority were perfectly used.

    A small number of vaccines were given to people they shouldn't have been...Again the vast majority were not.

    I'm not saying we ignore the bad or negative or inappropriate. I'm just saying we have to start looking at context & realising there are more positives than negatives and we will get there. Bad news sells & if it's getting in on you, stop reading it, take a week's media break if it's too much. But focus on the positive or you'll drive yourself crazy.

    Not easy & i know people are suffering with anxiety, lonliness, job losses, fear re businesses, family finances etc. but don't be making it more difficulty by reading half the crap & sensationalism printed.

    100%.

    I gave up listening and watching RTE.

    It is just too much negativity.

    I have really noticed a subtle change in mood since I did this.


  • #906
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    My mate's Dad died from it this evening, first person I actually knew who's died from it. It sucks because I can't go to the funeral even though I presume it'll be at the church down not far away.
    Can you stand outside or something?

    My grandad died the other week, the priest strongly advised by grandad's sons and daughters to discourage anybody from congregating outside of the church.

    It was really heart breaking to see his last celebration of his long life which was filled with so many beloved friends and family fly by without getting to see many of these people in person on the day. A good few went out to the graveyard but it was lashing rain and freezing cold and everyone tried to make it quick to limit contact obviously ,and with hoods and masks and umbrellas you'd just barely even recognise most of the big extended family members and friends that show up at these kind of things. It was such a blur and feels strangely anti-climatic for such an emotional day to go by so casually without much in the way of celebration or marking of the event. Feel really sorry for anyone going through funerals at this moment, it's so hard and makes deaths even more tough for families than they already are.

    Speaking of that I was stunned today to hear that a couple in my estate who were in hospital with COVID earlier in the month have both passed away. I've no idea if they died at home or in hospital or how far apart but I couldn't believe it when I heard from one of the neighours. I posted about them a while ago but hadn't heard any updates about their condition, it's surreal to think they're both gone just like that.
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115840724&postcount=1503
    I don't know them very well, they kept to themselves but I'd know their children a bit better to say hello to and apparently they are devastated as they blame themselves for infecting them over the holidays when they came home. Heart goes out to them ,can't imagine what it's like losing two parents let alone feeling some kind of responsibility for it happening on top of it.


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  • #907
    cannotlogin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,172 ✭✭✭cannotlogin


    Illium wrote: »
    100%.

    I gave up listening and watching RTE.

    It is just too much negativity.

    I have really noticed a subtle change in mood since I did this.

    I've a relative in her 80s who told me that RTE will be the death of her before Covid & that she likes the blonde lady on virgin media (Zara King) because she tells you the same thing but she's happier and calmer. She lives in a retirement home & has told me the care workers all suggested they switch to Virgin Media for the news.


  • #908
    Bananaleaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    I'm really sorry if this is an insensitive question and I'm a bit morto cause I think it's probably a stupid question, but ...

    If you die while in ICU are you 'discharged' so to speak? I'm trying to interpret the data from the Data Hub thing from government and I'm just wondering if the 15 discharged today are all people who have recovered enough to come out of ICU or have they died. Or could it be both? Please don't laugh, at least I'm trying to learn :pac:


  • #909
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    As much and I mean AS MUCH as I’d love a pint the one thing I want is to not have to wear a mask! I’ll be counting the days until I can burn the bastering things!!


  • #910
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,795 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    cannotlogin wrote: »

    Look at the facts:-

    6. You can absolutely guarantee that if the trends continue, the vintners will start shouting after Paddy's day. Non retail, hospitality, hairdressers before that.

    So do the exact same thing that has failed twice already "open up" at level 3 and risk being pushed back into level 5 again in April? I am positive about vaccines but we will not have meaningful numbers of people vaccinated by March. We need to be vaccinating between 35k and 50k (depending on J&J) per day for 6 months to reach herd immunity, so far we have peaked at vaccinating 6k people per day.
    Turtwig wrote: »
    The idea is that the vaccine primes your immune system to handle the virus better. This means you are less likely to become severely sick and also because you should deal with the virus quicker you would be infectious for a much shorter period of time. Reducing illness is the priority as that reduces the anticipated load on the health system.

    The trials for Pfizer and Moderna focused more heavily on whether it prevents illness. That said their preliminary data did appear to indicate reduced transmission as well.

    Both companies are now doing the follow up on transmission rates. We will also have substantial data from Israel. Early signs from which are also positive.

    Just gotta wait two months to know for sure. :)


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Thank you.

    I was getting that kind of vibe. That it prevents more severe illness in the vaccinated person. But it can be in the nose and mouth still.
    I just think the unanswered question re transmission is important also. Am kind of surprised we are effectively doing that trial in vitro. Oh well. I am just along for the ride like almost everyone else on the planet, it seems.

    Whoops...in vivo, I mean. Time for sleep.

    I've seen the mistake the two posters above made over and over again. People are confusing transmission with infection. The primary goal of the vaccine is to reduce infection rates of the vaccinated. If you get a full dose either of our two approved vaccines your chances of getting infected drop by over 90%. We don't have data on if you are one of the unlucky few who do get infected post vaccination, if you can then transmit the virus on. However your chances of needing to be hospitalised if you get infected after being vaccinated with a serious illness are vanishingly small.

    Even if the vaccine does not prevent transmission, we can still reach herd immunity as it will prevent the huge majority of infection in the vaccinated.


  • #911
    cannotlogin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,172 ✭✭✭cannotlogin


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    I'm really sorry if this is an insensitive question and I'm a bit morto cause I think it's probably a stupid question, but ...

    If you die while in ICU are you 'discharged' so to speak? I'm trying to interpret the data from the Data Hub thing from government and I'm just wondering if the 15 discharged today are all people who have recovered enough to come out of ICU or have they died. Or could it be both? Please don't laugh, at least I'm trying to learn :pac:

    I asked the same question a week or so again as it confused me too but a poster confirmed that discharges are not deaths.


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  • #912
    bunnyboxer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 58 ✭✭bunnyboxer


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    As much and I mean AS MUCH as I’d love a pint the one thing I want is to not have to wear a mask! I’ll be counting the days until I can burn the bastering things!!

    Doesnt bother me whatsoever, masks will be madatory for a long long time. I would say even the next five years.

    I'm not looking forward to ironing work shirts when I have to back.


  • #913
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    I'm really sorry if this is an insensitive question and I'm a bit morto cause I think it's probably a stupid question, but ...

    If you die while in ICU are you 'discharged' so to speak? I'm trying to interpret the data from the Data Hub thing from government and I'm just wondering if the 15 discharged today are all people who have recovered enough to come out of ICU or have they died. Or could it be both? Please don't laugh, at least I'm trying to learn :pac:

    No such thing as a stupid question. Icu deaths are included in the overall deaths reported, they are not called discharges. You can work out ICU deaths by subtracting discharges from ICU numbers that are reported daily. E.g 300 yesterday, 290 today, 5 discharges therefore 5 ICU deaths.


  • #914
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,039 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Bananaleaf wrote: »

    If you die while in ICU are you 'discharged' so to speak? I'm trying to interpret the data from the Data Hub thing from government and I'm just wondering if the 15 discharged today are all people who have recovered enough to come out of ICU or have they died. Or could it be both? Please don't laugh, at least I'm trying to learn :pac:

    I don't think death counts as a discharge in the data. You can figure out the deaths from the total numbers - so if you had 100 in ICU, 10 admissions and 5 discharges (= +5), and then have 102 in ICU (went up by 2 instead of 5), it likely means 3 deaths.


  • #915
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,954 ✭✭✭political analyst


    On Six-One today, Helen McEntee said the 'UK variant' accounts for 60% of current Covid cases. In terms of symptoms, is this variant worse than the original strain?


  • #916
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,151 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    People have always said there are better days ahead but after today it’s hard to see that


  • #917
    Car99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,534 ✭✭✭Car99


    We should all boycott RTE for being a threat to the nations mental health. It is from morning till night the most morbid depressing media outlet in Ireland , maybe even Europe.


  • #918
    Kunta Kinte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    As much and I mean AS MUCH as I’d love a pint the one thing I want is to not have to wear a mask! I’ll be counting the days until I can burn the bastering things!!

    You will have a long wait ahead of you for that to happen. Mandatory mask wearing will still be here for the next 18 months at a minimum.


  • #919
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,954 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Kunta Kinte wrote: »
    You will have a long wait ahead of you for that to happen. Mandatory mask wearing will still be here for the next 18 months at a minimum.

    On what grounds do you believe that?


  • #920
    aziz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 755 ✭✭✭aziz


    I don’t know if any one has asked this question but where is leo,Michael and the rest of them off to for Paddy’s day


  • #921
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    bunnyboxer wrote: »
    Doesnt bother me whatsoever, masks will be madatory for a long long time. I would say even the next five years.

    I'm not looking forward to ironing work shirts when I have to back.

    5 years? Okay.


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  • #922
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    As much and I mean AS MUCH as I’d love a pint the one thing I want is to not have to wear a mask! I’ll be counting the days until I can burn the bastering things!!

    I’d say masks are here to stay for a long time


  • #923
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    political analyst wrote: »
    On what grounds do you believe that?

    Sure we’ll all wear our masks to a concert at 3 arena next year? It’s not our normal to wear masks we never did until last summer. Once we’ve reached our targets for vaccinations!! Off they come!


  • #924
    political analyst
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    Cork2021 wrote: »
    Sure we’ll all wear our masks to a concert at 3 arena next year? It’s not our normal to wear masks we never did until last summer. Once we’ve reached our targets for vaccinations!! Off they come!

    Who says we won't reach those targets by the end of this year?


  • #925
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    I’d say masks are here to stay for a long time

    No they’re not! Why do people think this way? We never wore them even during some terrible winters when flu was putting serious pressure on our hospitals.. why wear them when the majority of people have been vaccinated by years end?


  • #926
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,307 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Kunta Kinte wrote: »
    You will have a long wait ahead of you for that to happen. Mandatory mask wearing will still be here for the next 18 months at a minimum.

    That doesnt make sense at all. Sometimes I think some of the posters are just here to push buttons with people.

    Or else they post before switching their brains on. Or both.

    If we dont have herd immunity (either way) in 18 months we're fvcked anyway. And if we do why tf would we walk around with those basterding things still?


  • #927
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,174 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    aziz wrote: »
    I don’t know if any one has asked this question but where is leo,Michael and the rest of them off to for Paddy’s day

    Say Taoiseach might go to Washington and ministers staying home. Thought ministers had stayed at home last year but some still went, maybe not as many as other years. Remember Varadkar announcing restrictions from US, optics were terrible. Bit mad in hindsight tbh.

    Say Martin will want to go with Biden president and Varadkar. In theory Martin is Taoiseach until end of 2022 but whether he survives as FF leader or government lasts until then remains to be seen.


  • #928
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    political analyst wrote: »
    Who says we won't reach those targets by the end of this year?

    We’ll reach our target by the end of September


  • #929
    bunnyboxer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 58 ✭✭bunnyboxer


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    5 years? Okay.

    Yep with the different variants. Maybe not five years but at least two.

    I don't understand why people kick up a fuss about wearing a mask. Its only a mask for God sake.


  • #930
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    No they’re not! Why do people think this way? We never wore them even during some terrible winters when flu was putting serious pressure on our hospitals.. why wear them when the majority of people have been vaccinated by years end?

    Mandatory mask wearing will go, but I wouldn't be surprised if people choose to wear them in certain circumstances.


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  • #931
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    No they’re not! Why do people think this way? We never wore them even during some terrible winters when flu was putting serious pressure on our hospitals.. why wear them when the majority of people have been vaccinated by years end?

    The basic mitigation measures like mask wearing, social distancing etc are being credited with 0 flu cases.

    I just can’t imagine they will justify the removal of those measure’s when it will be linked to hundreds of flu deaths and packed hospitals in future


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