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Covid 19 Part XXXII-215,743 ROI (4,137 deaths)111,166 NI (2,036 deaths)(22/02)Read OP

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  • #722
    ginoginelli
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭ginoginelli


    Turtwig wrote: »
    The importing of the variant was inevitable regardless of actions taken. The key thing is do we have enough measures in place to squash it once it's in? Nope. Not even close.

    Good point. We could have caught it and nipped it in the bud if we had proper quaratining and track and trace. Instead we have given it an opportunity to spread.


  • #723
    Arduach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Arduach


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Iv stopped listening to them myself. This is getting very difficult .Personally just trying to stay postive. Theirs good news out their about the virus tbh that do give hope. We all knew January would be tough. I think March by April we will begin to turn a corner. Hope Im right. Confident I will be tbh

    Even the lengthening days. In 2 months it'll be bright til 8pm. We'll get there.

    I feel a 'heaviness' today too.


  • #724
    alentejo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭alentejo


    I have to admit, I am fairly resilient, however listening to the gov press conference, I am very down. Hope seems to be lacking which is not good!


  • #725
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    Possibly one of the most depressing days of the epidemic for me.

    Case numbers dropping steadily but government doing all in its power to ensure there is no light or hope

    I feel the same. Micheál was asked by a reporter in the briefing to give us some hope and positivity but he just waffled on about not focusing too far ahead that the here and now is what mattered. He didn’t give a shred of hope. It really is grim. I’m clinging on to the fact that at least the cases are below 1000 but the other half of me thinks, so what? Come March it’s not even going to be about case numbers anymore but hospitalisations and then once that’s sorted it’ll be something else. I just feel completely hopeless at this point and like this will never fully end


  • #726
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,071 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    First time this year cases are below 1k, and people are saying its a depressing day?

    This briefing was a good day.


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  • #727
    ginoginelli
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭ginoginelli


    Coybig_ wrote: »
    What difference does it make if the South African variant has arrived? We are locked down anyway - reduced transmission of any variant, will have the vulnerable vaccinated by the time we ease restrictions, there is no evidence that the variant is more dangerous, and Moderna believe the current vaccine to be effective against it.

    So what is the issue?

    The variant is more transmissable,, less efficacious to antibodies and vaccines, and possibly more deadly. There is a reason every country in the world are banning flights from the region now.


    Think about it.


  • #728
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    niallo27 wrote: »
    And what if they are not effective. Lockdown for good.

    You complain about everyone saying negative things. Then you say the above.

    There are two factors to consider
    Vaccination of own population.
    Global infection numbers.

    The possibility of a future variant neutralising our vaccinated population cannot be ruled out. However it is only that a potential outcome. We will still be hostages to the rest of globe's handling of covid.

    That isn't to say travel bubbles and the like between low covid areas shouldn't be possible.

    I'm way more optimistic this year than I was 9 months ago. That hasn't changed. There are still challenges and potentially really serious set backs but there is a light at the end of tunnel.


  • #729
    elefant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,679 ✭✭✭elefant


    Tpcl20 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1354117634615291905?s=20

    That was the worst, most incoherent and frustrating load of waffle yet. And that's saying something.

    We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas. A problem for every solution, they will do literally anything but actually act to take control of the situation.

    Hard to take anything he says seriously if he's capable of coming out with something as nonsensical as this. The biggest health crisis in the country's recent history and the minister for health is just blurting out complete garbage in a press conference on national strategy.

    Pathetic and disheartening.


  • #730
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    pjohnson wrote: »
    First time this year cases are below 1k, and people are saying its a depressing day?

    This briefing was a good day.

    I'll be honest, i dont know what the doom and gloom is about. Cases are down, vaccinations have started. Variants are still not a massive concern. The worst of winter is over. There's more than a fair bit of January blues here.


  • #731
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    retro:electro wrote: »
    I feel the same. Micheál was asked by a reporter in the briefing to give us some hope and positivity but he just waffled on about not focusing too far ahead that the here and now is what mattered. He didn’t give a shred of hope. It really is grim. I’m clinging on to the fact that at least the cases are below 1000 but the other half of me thinks, so what? Come March it’s not even going to be about case numbers anymore but hospitalisations and then once that’s sorted it’ll be something else. I just feel completely hopeless at this point and like this will never fully end

    Plus the fact that there is not a bloody thing being done to increase ICU beds . They rabbit on about the ICU capacity and do swf all about it .


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  • #732
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    niallo27 wrote: »
    And what if they are not effective. Lockdown for good.

    That's doom mongering. There is zero evidence that vaccines dont work and buckets of evidence they are.


  • #733
    Coybig_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭Coybig_


    froog wrote: »
    I'll be honest, i dont know what the doom and gloom is about. Cases are down, vaccinations have started. Variants are still not a massive concern. The worst of winter is over. There's more than a fair bit of January blues here.

    The government have stated that restrictions will remain even if the whole population is vaccinated.

    The vaccination of the population was supposed to signal the end of this. Now we have been told it won't.

    So what ends this if not the vaccination? That's why everybody is so negative. If a vaccination doesnt resume normality then what exactly will?


  • #734
    Malcomex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Malcomex


    Coybig_ wrote: »
    That doesn't answer my question.

    The vaccine working against these already known variants is irrelevant, as the government has already indicated restrictions will remain regardless of this fact - even with the population vaccinated.

    The government are concerned about new, undiscovered, possibily undeveloped variants.

    How long do we wait around in restrictions for these variants to develop, if the virus becomes endemic as is certainly possible? We could discover a new variant in 5 years if Covid becomes endemic. Do we just keep restrictions forever then to legislate for that possibility?

    Was wondering this too

    Are we stuck with masks and SD forever for example?

    They cost the government nothing but are massively anti-social

    (For all the sociable people reading before I get hit with the inevitable, "you must have psychological issues")


  • #735
    Arduach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Arduach


    pjohnson wrote: »
    First time this year cases are below 1k, and people are saying its a depressing day?

    This briefing was a good day.

    We've spent a lot of time at level 5 since October and today an extension until 5th March was sanctioned. People are just worn down. Despite cases dropping and vaccines it's just hitting people.


  • #736
    Arduach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Arduach


    Malcomex wrote: »
    Was wondering this too

    Are we stuck with masks and SD forever for example?

    They cost the government nothing but are massively anti-social

    (For all the sociable people reading before I get hit with the inevitable, "you must have psychological issues")

    The amount of plastic that has been created, not criticising mask wearing but pointing out. The environment has really taken a back seat.


  • #737
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,071 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Arduach wrote: »
    The amount of plastic that has been created, not criticising mask wearing but pointing out. The environment has really taken a back seat.

    The lack of air travel has helped massively.


  • #738
    Malcomex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Malcomex


    Arduach wrote: »
    The amount of plastic that has been created, not criticising mask wearing but pointing out. The environment has really taken a back seat.

    Add it to the pile tbh


  • #739
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,028 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Coybig_ wrote: »
    The government have stated that restrictions will remain even if the whole population is vaccinated.

    The vaccination of the population was supposed to signal the end of this. Now we have been told it won't.

    So what ends this if not the vaccination? That's why everybody is so negative. If a vaccination doesnt resume normality then what exactly will?

    It’s about time people stopped listening to these politicians. They are angry the public want a zero Covid approach which would be too much work for the government. The rolling lockdowns are easy for the government. They don’t have to do anything, no proper testing, no proper track and trace, no controlling of the airports or borders. Just get a big loan, pay people not to work and leave it for some future government to deal with the consequences.


  • #740
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Interesting theory on my the mutations occured in different places independently. Basically people who had it first time around had partial immunity second time round but this gave it a chance to adapt. It's not a massive jump to think that as people get vaccinated and if it continues to spread then different variants will emerge. This might explain the UK going the quarantine route.

    https://twitter.com/jsphctrl/status/1354052717229043712?s=20


  • #741
    Itsaduck1
    Site Banned Posts: 54 ✭✭Itsaduck1


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Interesting theory on my the mutations occured in different places. Basically people who had it first time around had partial immunity second time round but this gave it a chance to adapt. It's not a massive jump to think that as people get vaccinated and if it continues to spread then different variants will emerge. This might explain the UK going the quarantine route

    Its called selective pressure

    Happens with the flu

    Adapt or die, some call it


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  • #742
    [Deleted User]
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    Coybig_ wrote: »
    Covid may become endemic and if that is the case we are likely to see new variants emerge at some point, be it 1 year or 5 years.


    Should we just wait around for that possibility to occur then?

    The virus becoming endemic is a good endpoint. Most people, either through previous infection or vaccine will have some inherent immunity reduce the impact of the virus in most.


  • #743
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    Possibly one of the most depressing days of the epidemic for me.

    Case numbers dropping steadily but government doing all in its power to ensure there is no light or hope

    The government sticks the dagger in, and then they have their communication department, RTE, follow up and push the dagger all the way in.
    They really need to work on their delivery of this news. While understanding that they need to avoid being unrealistic, they could easily provide their messaging with at least a tinge of hope/glimmer of light.


  • #744
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,794 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    pjohnson wrote: »
    The lack of air travel has helped massively.

    It hasn't. The role of commercial air travel in global emissions is vastly overestimated by most. Its only about 2% of the overall.


  • #745
    boardise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,550 ✭✭✭boardise


    Not replying to any particular post so not springing a pedantic episode on anyone !

    Just noted some recent posts included the phrase 'track and trace'.The better ,more meaningful rendering is 'test and trace'.

    'Track' and 'trace' mean the same thing ...it's like saying 'follow and pursue' .


  • #746
    Malcomex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Malcomex


    boardise wrote: »
    Not replying to any particular thread so not springing a pedantic episode on anyone !

    Just noted some recent posts included the phrase 'track and trace'.The better ,more meaningful rendering is 'test and trace'.

    'Track' and 'trace' mean the same thing ...it's like saying 'follow and pursue' .
    "Track and Trace" is to do with parcel delivery isn't it?

    Prob where posters are confused?


  • #747
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The virus becoming endemic is a good endpoint. Most people, either through previous infection or vaccine will have some inherent immunity reduce the impact of the virus in most.

    I'm really not sure that it is a good thing. This thing is novel. Best to understand it before going for something so drastic. Lots of other viruses that aren't endemic today but plagued us for centuries.

    The coronavirus may remain in people’s brains after infection and trigger relapses in patients who thought they had recovered, according to a new study published in the journal Viruses.



    “It’s scary,” he said. “A lot of people think they got COVID and they recovered and now they’re out of the woods. Now I feel like that’s never going to be true. You may never be out of the woods.”

    https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210125/covid-19-may-hide-in-brains-and-cause-relapses


  • #748
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    Good news the residental/nursing home that had over10 staff cases but ALL residents since tested negative twice!... those who were eligable and chose.. received their first injection just before last weekend... no adverse reactions there in this case... all doing well days later so far.
    All waiting now for the countdown of 21 days for number 2.. plus the 10/11 after that for it fully to take effect but also understand it is not perfect just like life.
    Can wait for the celebration :D


  • #749
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,174 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    pjohnson wrote: »
    First time this year cases are below 1k, and people are saying its a depressing day?

    This briefing was a good day.

    Yeah, while I'm not delightedly happy or anything and realise the road ahead will be long and bumpy, I'm relatively relieved to see case numbers creep below 1000 again for the first time.

    Relative to where we were even a fortnight ago that's great progress. I thought at one stage that cases at 1600 - 2000 a day by the end of January would be doing amazingly well.

    I think people who are depressed today based on what the government said in the presser are partially depressed because they have unrealistic expectations, to be blunt about it. The government was never going to change course during January - February. There's no point having unrealistic expectations that can't be met.


  • #750
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Tomorrow on RTE:
    -A new Sri Lankan Varient is discovered. 10 times more viral than anything we've seen before...
    -Why normal life may never be the same again?
    -Is 5km too much? Phillip Nolan tells us why
    -Blanaith Ní Coffaigh gets a new RTE contract
    -Vaccine Factory suffers massive fire.
    -The latest on house prices
    -The Weather


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  • #751
    GeorgeBailey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭GeorgeBailey


    Arghus wrote: »

    I think people who are depressed today based on what the government said in the presser are partially depressed because they have unrealistic expectations, to be blunt about it. The government was never going to change course during January - February. There's no point having unrealistic expectations that can't be met.

    For me the depressing thing isn't that January/february are a write-off (that was pretty well signposted). It's that they're already softening us up for a sh!tty christmas when it's nearly a year away.


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