Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

Mr. Karate · 25-01-2021 10:57PM

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

If necessary then yes they will be extended. If muppets don t follow the rules then it will be necessary.

Constantly kicking the can down the road and extending Level 5 is what's causing people to break the rules.

retro:electro · 25-01-2021 11:01PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

No easing of restrictions due anytime soon... another 5 weeks or so of this:

https://www.thejournal.ie/mandatory-quarantine-cabinet-5334987-Jan2021/

By then it will be one full year since restrictions were first put into place. Cases are touching distance from being <1000 cases daily. By early March I predict we’ll be well under 200 cases daily. We should also have a significant proportion vaccinated by then and quarantine introduced, There will be absolute war if they even try and extend for another six weeks, with all of those things considered. This farce has to end in March. One whole year of sacrifices is enough. There are many who who would only love to continue on in this way of life forever but the rest of us would like to get back to this thing called living.

C__MC · 25-01-2021 11:04PM

Flyer1 wrote: »

Only in Ireland are we focusing on fines and travel restrictions when we should be focused on vaccine rollout and developing a strategy for getting shattered businesses back up and running.

I here the gardai were heroic lately breaking up youths playing ball in laois and fining a buck walking on the beach cause he was out of his 5k

Country is a joke void of proper leadership

Silentcorner · 25-01-2021 11:05PM

john4321 wrote: »

It's hard to have a genuine conversation\debate when you say things like lockdowns don't work when its clear as day they do.

Just to reiterate I hate the restrictions and want to wake up tomorrow with this all to be over but unfortunately it won't be.

The next month or two we will still have restrictions we just need to accept that but as the days get longer and weather gets warmer we can look forward to a good positive summer.

It is not as clear as day that severe (I purposely used the word severe) lockdowns work...there is no evidence that the severity of the lockdown is proportional to the effect on numbers in hospital/ICU, because we have only had one response to the two surges, severe lockdown.

There are only a few parts of the world that have refrained from severe lockdowns and it doesn't look like they have suffered any worse fate than we have.. which is very important to remember.

We have had two major surges that have lasted about 6 weeks each, this one as predicted will tail off by the end of this week.

I don't have a problem with restrictions at this time of the year I clearly see the value in those, but these level 5's come at a massive cost to the mental health and financial health of the nation.

Any worryingly, we throw extensions to level 5's around like they are a minor inconvenience...

Kunta Kinte · 25-01-2021 11:09PM

Deleted User wrote: »

MM is talking about getting to 100 cases a day.
Considering the vaccine doesn’t stop you getting Covid, I don’t see how we’ll ever reach such a number, let alone maintain it with an open economy.

I’m fully expecting harsh restrictions until late summer at least. Probably still very harsh restrictions for all of 2021 and into 2022.

I think it will possibly take finances collapsing or Europe embarrassing us to reopen.

Similar or greater restrictions are happening throughout most of Europe lad. The only one you`re embarrassing is yourself by constantly repeating this nonsense day after fcuking day.

pconn062 · 25-01-2021 11:11PM

Surely there must be an appetite in this country now for some form of protest about these ongoing restrictions? If not now then when?

beggars_bush · 25-01-2021 11:12PM

pconn062 wrote: »

Surely there must be an appetite in this country now for some form of protest about these ongoing restrictions? If not now then when?

Off you go

Kunta Kinte · 25-01-2021 11:14PM

pconn062 wrote: »

Surely there must be an appetite in this country now for some form of protest about these ongoing restrictions? If not now then when?

Ask Ginger and Lemon. He seems to have the inside track on this and seems to be in favour of riots, attacks on police, shops being looted etc.

Cerveza · 25-01-2021 11:15PM

pconn062 wrote: »

Surely there must be an appetite in this country now for some form of protest about these ongoing restrictions? If not now then when?

It’s our field

C__MC · 25-01-2021 11:16PM

pconn062 wrote: »

Surely there must be an appetite in this country now for some form of protest about these ongoing restrictions? If not now then when?

Na to many puppets mate unfortunately
Catholic church dominated this county for years without protest

Silentcorner · 25-01-2021 11:19PM

We will be the last country to take to the streets...we all know it!

Ha Long Bay · 25-01-2021 11:22PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

It is not as clear as day that severe (I purposely used the word severe) lockdowns work...there is no evidence that the severity of the lockdown is proportional to the effect on numbers in hospital/ICU, because we have only had one response to the two surges, severe lockdown.

There are only a few parts of the world that have refrained from severe lockdowns and it doesn't look like they have suffered any worse fate than we have.. which is very important to remember.

We have had two major surges that have lasted about 6 weeks each, this one as predicted will tail off by the end of this week.

I don't have a problem with restrictions at this time of the year I clearly see the value in those, but these level 5's come at a massive cost to the mental health and financial health of the nation.

Any worryingly, we throw extensions to level 5's around like they are a minor inconvenience...

Where would these be?

Elessar · 25-01-2021 11:24PM

pconn062 wrote: »

Surely there must be an appetite in this country now for some form of protest about these ongoing restrictions? If not now then when?

We don't really do mass protests here. We moan and complain and then just rollover and take it. Tbh my overriding feeling is that most people seem to want MORE restrictions, not less.

The rest of Europe is different. They won't take ongoing restrictions lying down. Once vaccinations really ramp up most people won't accept ongoing harsh restrictions. The people of Europe will take to the streets while the Irish will happily take it up the bum.

pjohnson · 25-01-2021 11:26PM

John and GemGem would welcome ye to join them protesting bravely.

Kunta Kinte · 25-01-2021 11:28PM

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Constantly kicking the can down the road and extending Level 5 is what's causing people to break the rules.

No. It is down to the muppets who are too selfish to follow the rules and constantly try to shift the blame to the government,Tony Holohan, NPHET, Uncle Tom Cobley and all, and refuse to admit responsibility for they themselves being the main cause of restrictions being extended .

Cerveza · 25-01-2021 11:34PM

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

No. It is down to the muppets who are too selfish to follow the rules and constantly try to shift the blame to the government,Tony Holohan, NPHET, Uncle Tom Cobley and all, and refuse to admit responsibility for they themselves being the main cause of restrictions being extended .

They had to have a meaningful Christmas.

25-01-2021 11:36PM

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

No. It is down to the muppets who are too selfish to follow the rules and constantly try to shift the blame to the government,Tony Holohan, NPHET, Uncle Tom Cobley and all, and refuse to admit responsibility for they themselves being the main cause of restrictions being extended .

The main cause... surely that’s the virus, no?

Aph2016 · 25-01-2021 11:40PM

It's insane that people have put up with these lockdowns for almost a year by the time this current lockdown ends. I can't understand why there hasn't been mass protests, people seem to be too comfortable at home, many pushing for more restrictions. What a farce.

Kunta Kinte · 25-01-2021 11:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The main cause... surely that’s the virus, no?

You know what I meant lad.`

Gradius · 25-01-2021 11:44PM

Aph2016 wrote: »

It's insane that people have put up with these lockdowns for almost a year by the time this current lockdown ends. I can't understand why there hasn't been mass protests, people seem to be too comfortable at home, many pushing for more restrictions. What a farce.

It's the pup payment.

That's why social welfare is called SOCIAL welfare and not individual welfare. It keeps people reasonably content for societys sake, at least content enough not to go on murder sprees.

Aph2016 · 25-01-2021 11:46PM

Gradius wrote: »

It's the pup payment.

That's why social welfare is called SOCIAL welfare and not individual welfare. It keeps people reasonably content for societys sake, at least content enough not to go on murder sprees.

I can't understand how people are making ends meet. Savings in certain sectors would have been plundered last year, and more of the same this year.

Richard Hillman · 25-01-2021 11:47PM

I'm not adhering to the 5km rule after this month.

C__MC · 25-01-2021 11:47PM

Peoples might get the fright of their lives come autumn when the effects of this really hit the economy

end of the road · 25-01-2021 11:49PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

There is no justification of keeping level 5 restrictions after January. We are down to 1000 cases a day. The health service managed at 7-8000 a day. The over 80s are getting vaccinated. There is no justification beyond the next couple of weeks.

the health service was very near the limit of it's capacity at 7000 cases, that was not sustainable and tbh neither is 1000.
the elderly being vaccinated is only part of getting us out of this, because they are does not mean we all go back to normal as that is unviable as it's not just the elderly potentially effected.
so i'm afraid restrictions are necessary until such time as, well, they actually aren't.

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Constantly kicking the can down the road and extending Level 5 is what's causing people to break the rules.

it's not, people listening to conspiricy theories and fake news is the actual reason.
said individuals just use so-called can kicking and necessary extensions of restrictions as their excuse but ultimately it's not a valid excuse as the government cannot in reality give exact timelines for anything in relation to this.

C__MC wrote: »

I here the gardai were heroic lately breaking up youths playing ball in laois and fining a buck walking on the beach cause he was out of his 5k

Country is a joke void of proper leadership

that's just life, break rules, get punished.
it's one of the main things most of us learned growing up, we even experienced it for ourselves.
anyway, the gardai are just doing their job, follow the restrictions and you won't get fined.

Cerveza · 25-01-2021 11:49PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I'm not adhering to the 5km rule after this month.

Yes you will.

Gradius · 25-01-2021 11:49PM

Aph2016 wrote: »

I can't understand how people are making ends meet. Savings in certain sectors would have been plundered last year, and more of the same this year.

Make no mistake, it's money in one hand, out the other.

If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say 60% of all that pup payment is getting handed to landlords, hence the MYSTERIOUSLY STABLE rent and property prices.

What a waste of money, disgraceful.

C__MC · 25-01-2021 11:50PM

The irish have always been a strange bunch
FF only 10 years ago put the country on its knees, 10 years later there back as top dogs

Seweryn · 25-01-2021 11:51PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

We will be the last country to take to the streets...we all know it!

Agree. And there are two reasons for this situation:

- Economical - With PUP and other welfare schemes no one gets truly hit or go hungry short term.

- Sociological - Within the last few decades people living here have never experienced any direct oppression from their own Government, so they can't smell the trouble coming or know how to react. They never had to fight for their freedom, and there is misconception that the Government is acting in favour of the public.

end of the road · 25-01-2021 11:53PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Only twice this year have our ICUs been at max, back in March/April and Dec/Jan during our two surges.

Inbetween these two surges the hospitals have been quiet.

The likelihood of a third surge between now and next winter is remote....clusters yes, cases, yes but all of them manageable.

There is no need to impose massive restrictions on the entire population or shutting down the hospitality industry.

Next winter, our vaccination program should be completed.

It's time to take the boot of the necks of all our citizens.

small restrictions on the population and shutting non-essential stuff such as the hospitality industry is necessary to minimise virus spread and keep those hospitals functioning even if at a quite level, eventually again.
that's not going to change until such time as it is safe for it to do so.

Silentcorner wrote: »

Who thinks that?

Severe lockdowns harms a lot of people too you know.

So do car crashes.

What the BBC just posted is emotional manipulation.

yes, but i'm afraid the reality is it won't be as much as would be without lock down.
you can't catch car crashes, and we do implement things to try and prevent where possible, car crashes.
so therefore car crashes and any of the other invalid comparisons that have been already shown a plenty to be invalid, remain invalid.
what the BBC posted is fact, if it makes someone grow up and realise the reality of what we are dealing with then that's a good thing.

Silentcorner wrote: »

Our ICU capacity has come under pressure once since last April, for about 4 weeks which we are still experiencing.

Bear in mind our health system struggles every year.

By the time we exit level 5 lockdown we will have been in level 5 from the end of Oct to the start of March (with a 3 week "break" to level 3.5 in Dec)...that is 20 weeks through the dark winter months.

That is not including the restrictions that were imposed at the start of Oct, or the ridiculous restrictions we imposed during the summer.

And there is no data, anyone can point to that these severe lockdowns actually work...if they work we wouldn't have needed the 3 severe level lockdowns.

It's either zero covid, which has it's own risks given our geography and economy...or it is living with covid and not interrupting the lives of 5 million people to the extent we have being doing so!

living with covid was always going to be doing what we are doing.
living with covid with no or little restrictions and little disruption was never going to happen and was never workable, if you were expecting otherwise then really you were on a hiding in to nothing because it was never going to be the case.
we already know lock downs do work, 1 of the main countries anti-lock down supporters got behind had to eventually go into lock down.

MOH · 25-01-2021 11:54PM

john4321 wrote: »

Exactly there is no single metric that controls the restrictions. Finally after nearly a year you are getting it.

Fixed that for you

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings