Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

end of the road

end of the road wrote: »

pubs were dieing long before covid and would continue to do so regardless and will do so after it, so covid is really only hastening what was going to happen anyway.
plenty will reopen again but the days of 5 or 6 pubs in a village or town were always going to come to an end as it was unsustainable.
realistically it is the parts of the economy that are working which really keep the show on the road in general, rather then what is closed.

Sounds like a personal wish more than reality.

When this is finally over, pubs will be mental busy for a long time.

0gac3yjefb5sv7

Thespoofer wrote: »

May.

Do you think the public will do 4 months of lockdown when we could barely do 4 weeks in Nov?

MattS1

MattS1 wrote: »

Anyone care to guess on a timeline for easing restrictions until we are back to level 3?

Probably July I’d say.

Gradius

retro:electro wrote: »

One thing Leo did dismiss, thankfully, was this zero Covid rubbish. He said it’s not something he or NPHET see workable for this country. They’re all about suppressing it enough so the numbers are manageable. They know there’s no getting rid of it.

What does "workable" mean here, is it just a way of saying "too much work"? We're an island, for Christ's sake, half the battle is done.

Suppressing a thing that grows exponentially is the height of retardation. The way we have lived the last year is "suppressing" it.

There are three options...

1) live like this ad infinitum

2) do nothing and watch the country crash within 2 months from the sickness

3) eliminate the virus through a zero migration, hunt and kill approach.

Only one of those options has a chance of a cheerful outcome.

Multipass

Gradius wrote: »

What does "workable" mean here, is it just a way of saying "too much work"? We're an island, for Christ's sake, half the battle is done.

Suppressing a thing that grows exponentially is the height of retardation. The way we have lived the last year is "suppressing" it.

There are three options...

1) live like this ad infinitum

2) do nothing and watch the country crash within 2 months from the sickness

3) eliminate the virus through a zero migration, hunt and kill approach.

Only one of those options has a chance of a cheerful outcome.

4) vaccinate the vulnerable and get on with normal life.

FintanMcluskey

MattS1 wrote: »

Anyone care to guess on a timeline for easing restrictions until we are back to level 3?

Leo said July earlier on tv

Gradius

Multipass wrote: »

4) vaccinate the vulnerable and get on with normal life.

You wait and see how that works out, just watch how it unfolds.

bb1234567

bb1234567 wrote: »

You would wonder why there hasn't been protests, I'm still astonished there have not been any major movements. It seems to be mostly confined to the internet. But even though people against restrictions are a minority they are still a sizeable group in every country, in Ireland smaller perhaps, but still at least 10% of the population and probably as much as 20% or more., and that is still a large number of people in total numbers and more than enough for significant protests.

https://twitter.com/ConorReddyPBP/status/1353841999988871169
Saw this popup was just discussed on Clair Byrne funnily enough..looks like my guess wasn't too far off!

How surreal is it to think back to March..when everybody was shocked by the two week extensions to now talking about another 3 months of lockdown over a year later. Man

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[Deleted User] wrote: »

Probably July I’d say.

Would we not just round it up to the next decade while we are at it? Not a hope we will be in L5 until July

0gac3yjefb5sv7

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Leo said July earlier on tv

Where? Would you have a link. Did he say L5 or just restrictions until July

Multipass

Gradius wrote: »

You wait and see how that works out, just watch how it unfolds.

Oh it’ll unfold with media hysteria over one or two unlucky cases. Turn the spotlight on any disease to this degree and I guarantee you’ll find the horror stories. We have to develop some perspective.

retro:electro

MattS1 wrote: »

Anyone care to guess on a timeline for easing restrictions until we are back to level 3?

Well according to Leo they’re working on reopening schools on a phased basis throughout Feb and into March, so that will take first priority. Then onto non essential retail which he said he hoped to see open by “Easter/ summer”, which are two very different time periods, and it wasn’t a very committed response. So who knows! I don’t think they’ll even entertain the idea of answering anything to do with level 3 until the schools are sorted and all of that is up in the air with unions and all sorts. Any level 3 relaxation will depend on how schools get on first. I think they’re in for a rough ride once cases are under 200. There will be pressure from all sides to reopen

Mr. Karate

MattS1 wrote: »

Anyone care to guess on a timeline for easing restrictions until we are back to level 3?

Summer 2022 when Leo's back in charge.

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Leo said July earlier on tv

If I had to guess, I’d think March and April might see schools, more construction and possibly retail coming back at some point.

But I think it will be mid to late summer before restaurants reopen. And I think they’ll try find a way to separate restaurants and gastro pubs.

For the pubs, I just can’t see it in 2021. And I think they’ll do everything they can to prevent people from travelling in 2021.

retro:electro

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Leo said July earlier on tv

When did he say July?

Richard Hillman

The Zero Covid thing is just a political game from opposition politicians that were silent during the first 6 months. They were on the fence wondering which side to take.

Kunta Kinte

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Leo has just said easing of restrictions will be extremely slow.

He said it will be similar to the rate it happened last year

Barbers open in July again so

But but but one of your buddies here is claiming that many barbers are working on the sly right now. I`m sure he will tip you off as to where they are if you think you need one before then.

MattS1

MattS1 wrote: »

Would we not just round it up to the next decade while we are at it? Not a hope we will be in L5 until July

It will be level 5 in all but name.

They’ll probably call it level 3++ or something.

FintanMcluskey

MattS1 wrote: »

Where? Would you have a link. Did he say L5 or just restrictions until July

He said it will be a very slow relaxation of restrictions, as slow as last years.

Some retail gradually and then the rest.

Made valid points re travel quarantine and essential workers, essentially so many essential workers travel from abroad due to multinationals here it’s an impossible task to achieve 0 Covid.

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[Deleted User] wrote: »

It will be level 5 in all but name.

They’ll probably call it level 3++ or something.

Can't see anyone complying until July. Maybe until the middle of February.

Lundstram

Noticing a shift in attitude to these nonsense lockdowns. Twitter is full of people venting. The anger towards the Gardai for fining a lone man on a beach is massive. Poor guy probably out for some fresh air or to clear his head all alone and those so called guardians fine him €100. Despicable.

Also noticing more and more people are starting to struggle with depression and the crippling loneliness.

The mess with the vaccines and the thoughts of 3, 4 or 5 more months of this is taking its toll.

You’d be utterly sick of it all now.

retro:electro

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

He said it will be a very slow relaxation of restrictions, as slow as last years.

Some retail gradually and then the rest.

Made valid points re travel quarantine and essential workers, essentially so many essential workers travel from abroad due to multinationals here it’s an impossible task to achieve 0 Covid.

I think he was just referring to the time frame between easing last year, so increments of 3 weeks between each stage - not the specific months. That’s how I took it up anyway.

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

If I had to guess, I’d think March and April might see schools, more construction and possibly retail coming back at some point.

But I think it will be mid to late summer before restaurants reopen. And I think they’ll try find a way to separate restaurants and gastro pubs.

For the pubs, I just can’t see it in 2021. And I think they’ll do everything they can to prevent people from travelling in 2021.

I’ll be shocked if schools return before September, can’t see them returning for the last term

I’ve seen nothing to inspire confidence that’s a runner.

Pubs are gone for as long as he can keep them shut.

Kunta Kinte

Deleted User wrote: »

If I had to guess, I’d think March and April might see schools, more construction and possibly retail coming back at some point.

But I think it will be mid to late summer before restaurants reopen. And I think they’ll try find a way to separate restaurants and gastro pubs.

For the pubs, I just can’t see it in 2021. And I think they’ll do everything they can to prevent people from travelling in 2021.

For probably the one and only time I agree with you abut wet pubs and travel restrictions. And if that is the way it turns out it will be because it is necessary.

FintanMcluskey

retro:electro wrote: »

I think he was just referring to the time frame between easing last year, so increments of 3 weeks between each stage - not the specific months. That’s how I took it up anyway.

Did Claire not say that’s 5 months away at one stage?

I could be wrong, I understood him to mean it’s a similar time as in July

Gradius

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

He said it will be a very slow relaxation of restrictions, as slow as last years.

Some retail gradually and then the rest.

Made valid points re travel quarantine and essential workers, essentially so many essential workers travel from abroad due to multinationals here it’s an impossible task to achieve 0 Covid.

This whole line of reasoning is like a Chinese finger trap. Trying to pull harder to get out of it, when it's clearly having the opposite effect.

There's no point having "essential" workers floating around continents to save the economy...when the economy is dying on its arse because of it.

retro:electro

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Did Claire not say that’s 5 months away at one stage?

I could be wrong, I understood him to mean it’s a similar time as in July

Oh god, I can’t remember, maybe
I did hear him say “Easter/summer” in reference to non essential retail and I remember it because I said to himself that’s two completely different time frames.
I thought his point was that they wouldn’t be opening up all industries together this time like they did at Christmas and that it would be more like last summer, the staged increments.

Kunta Kinte

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Summer 2022 when Leo's back in charge.

December 2022 actually.

bb1234567

Lundstram wrote: »

Noticing a shift in attitude to these nonsense lockdowns. Twitter is full of people venting. The anger towards the Gardai for fining a lone man on a beach is massive. Poor guy probably out for some fresh air or to clear his head all alone and those so called guardians fine him €100. Despicable.

Also noticing more and more people are starting to struggle with depression and the crippling loneliness.

The mess with the vaccines and the thoughts of 3, 4 or 5 more months of this is taking its toll.

You’d be utterly sick of it all now.

Are you new to twitter or something? :P

FintanMcluskey

Gradius wrote: »

This whole line of reasoning is like a Chinese finger trap. Trying to pull harder to get out of it, when it's clearly having the opposite effect.

There's no point having "essential" workers floating around continents to save the economy...when the economy is dying on its arse because of it.

How pharmaceutical’s continue production without adequate expertise required from abroad for utilities etc

Should they halt production?