Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

CatalogJinx

to all the muppets who think it only harms the vunerable, look at the this case:([/quote]


That's extremely tragic. I hate seeing stuff like that.

Luckily I've never actually met any covid deniers who have said it 'only harms the vulnerable'. I've met reasonable people though who are able to analyse statistics and actual numbers for themselves who will acknowledge that it's statistically very unlikely that if you are not elderly, or vulnerable, then chances are you'll be grand. And even if you are elderly, you've got a pretty good chance with covid too.

What's the angle with BBC twitter posting that by the way? You'd almost think they wanted to stir fear and have people think that healthy middle aged men are dropping from this all day everyday. My common sense screams at me when I see things like that telling me that "of course institutions and governments want restrictions to end, it's in their interest for them to end" but by the way they are behaving at the moment, and throughout this, you'd nearly start to believe they want this to go on (I know they don't).

Kunta Kinte

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Good point. Maybe, hopefully, this whole nonsense hysteria of "some sort of lockdown until June" is akin to that Leo's speech on 1st of May where he wanted barbers closed to 20th of July but thankfully common sense prevailed.

Here is to hoping

Yes and despite your constant caterwauling about the Irish hospitality sector not reopening soon enough you flew off on a foreign holiday last summer instead of staying in Ireland and supporting it. So you can drop your fake concern act old buddy.

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

Who thinks that?

Severe lockdowns harms a lot of people too you know.

So do car crashes.

What the BBC just posted is emotional manipulation.

Maybe we need high-quality productions with sad music featuring the families of people lost to suicide during lockdowns, or murdered by the violent partner they couldn't get away from, or being told their formerly treatable cancer is now terminal.

Tenzor07

No easing of restrictions due anytime soon... another 5 weeks or so of this:


https://www.thejournal.ie/mandatory-quarantine-cabinet-5334987-Jan2021/

Ginger n Lemon

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

The PCR test “is unable to determine, beyond reasonable doubt, that a positive result corresponds, in fact, to the infection of a person by the SARS-CoV-2 virus”, said the Lisbon Court of Appeal.

The judges concluded by stating that: “The problem is that this reliability is shown, in terms of scientific evidence (and in this field, the judge will have to rely on the knowledge of experts in the field), as being more than debatable.

“Thus, with so many scientific doubts, expressed by experts in the field, which are the ones that matter here, as to the reliability of such tests, ignoring the parameters of their performance and there being no diagnosis made by a doctor, in the sense of existence of infection and risk, it would never be possible for this court to determine that C ... had the SARS-CoV-2 virus, nor that A., B ... and D ... had high risk exposure,” concluded the judgement in relation to the case which has ultimately calls into question the reliability of the tests.

https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/2020-11-27/covid-pcr-test-reliability-doubtful-portugal-judges/56962

Nothing to simplify.

PS note its courts of Appeal.

These desperate desperate scientists pursuing science that they cant clearly prove or show.

Lawyers

Richard Hillman

There is no justification of keeping level 5 restrictions after January. We are down to 1000 cases a day. The health service managed at 7-8000 a day. The over 80s are getting vaccinated. There is no justification beyond the next couple of weeks.

prunudo

Tenzor07 wrote: »

No easing of restrictions due anytime soon... another 5 weeks or so of this:


https://www.thejournal.ie/mandatory-quarantine-cabinet-5334987-Jan2021/

I don't understand why outdoor work needs to be kept closed for another 5 weeks. It remained open in October when cases peaked at 1300 and we entered level 5.

FintanMcluskey

Richard Hillman wrote: »

There is no justification of keeping level 5 restrictions after January. We are down to 1000 cases a day. The health service managed at 7-8000 a day. The over 80s are getting vaccinated. There is no justification beyond the next couple of weeks.

That’s the common sense approach Richard.

Did you see any common sense being used to relax restrictions before in Ireland

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Make no mistake, anti restrictions demonstrators are far left.

The cleverest thing the media did was convince the world they were far right.

The cleverest thing the far right have done is convince a demographic, that otherwise should be drawn to the left, that their populist rhetoric somehow aligns with the needs of the ordinary citizens

Ha Long Bay

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

That’s the common sense approach Richard.

Did you see any common sense being used to relax restrictions before in Ireland

Would common sense not also include factoring in that hospital's and ICU's are currently pretty full and not just concentrating on case numbers as a basis to relax restrictions?

Mr. Karate

Tenzor07 wrote: »

No easing of restrictions due anytime soon... another 5 weeks or so of this:


https://www.thejournal.ie/mandatory-quarantine-cabinet-5334987-Jan2021/

Then another 5 weeks after..... and another 5 weeks....

Mr. Karate

john4321 wrote: »

Would common sense not also include factoring in that hospital's and ICU's are currently pretty full and not just concentrating on case numbers as a basis to relax restrictions?

Then they should be upfront about it. Not just using vague generalities ["the numbers just aren't there yet"]to keep kicking the can down the road.

FintanMcluskey

john4321 wrote: »

Would common sense not also include factoring in that hospital's and ICU's are currently pretty full and not just concentrating on case numbers as a basis to relax restrictions?

Why were restrictions not lifted in May or June last year?

Or why were they reinstated in 3 counties for nearly 2 months last Summer?

Or why were the reinstated across the country last October and November?

The hospitals were not the metric then?

Jim Gazebo

**** sake.

Richard Hillman

Richard Hillman wrote: »

There is no justification of keeping level 5 restrictions after January. We are down to 1000 cases a day. The health service managed at 7-8000 a day. The over 80s are getting vaccinated. There is no justification beyond the next couple of weeks.

I don’t inherently disagree, maybe 2 weeks longer. Once stable well below 1,000 level 3has been shown to maintain a level of control. I think the new strain effect is overblown somewhat as the rate of decline during current restrictions is just as fast as in the spring. I don’t think they will lift anything until early March however, as unlike the thread I actually believe they want this to be the last level 5, so will be risk averse to easing too early in case they need to go back.

Ha Long Bay

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Why were restrictions not lifted in May or June last year?

Or why were they reinstated in 3 counties for nearly 2 months last Summer?

Or why were the reinstated across the country last October and November?

The hospitals were not the metric then?

Exactly there is no single metric that controls the restrictions. Finally after nearly a year you are getting it.

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Why were restrictions not lifted in May or June last year?

Or why were they reinstated in 3 counties for nearly 2 months last Summer?

Or why were the reinstated across the country last October and November?

The hospitals were not the metric then?

There’s none so blind as those who will not see

emeldc

Deleted User wrote: »

Are you not pro restrictions? Why are you open?

Even if you’re allowed, doesn’t mean you have to.

Are you not anti restrictions? Do you want us all to close so you can b1tch even more about absolutely nobody being open?

Kunta Kinte

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Then another 5 weeks after..... and another 5 weeks....

If necessary then yes they will be extended. If muppets don t follow the rules then it will be necessary.

FintanMcluskey

john4321 wrote: »

Exactly there is no single metric that controls the restrictions. Finally after nearly a year you are getting it.

Your not getting it!

Neither low hospital numbers or low case numbers have been cause to relax restrictions before, thus common sense isn’t used to relax restrictions

Ha Long Bay

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Then they should be upfront about it. Not just using vague generalities ["the numbers just aren't there yet"]to keep kicking the can down the road.

Its a dynamic situation as we have seen especially over the last month. What do you expect or what would you do in the same situation if you had to advise the general public?

Penfailed

Tenzor07 wrote: »

No easing of restrictions due anytime soon... another 5 weeks or so of this:


https://www.thejournal.ie/mandatory-quarantine-cabinet-5334987-Jan2021/

Disappointing but not surprising. In saying that, the 5th of March isn't that far away.

Ha Long Bay

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Your not getting it!

Neither low hospital numbers or low case numbers have been cause to relax restrictions before, thus common sense isn’t used to relax restrictions

Back in May were they not trying to increase testing and ICU\hospital capacity?

FintanMcluskey

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Then another 5 weeks after..... and another 5 weeks....

Exactly.

It’s just dangling a bone on a stick.

It will be the same as last year for timescales on reopening

Silentcorner

john4321 wrote: »

Would common sense not also include factoring in that hospital's and ICU's are currently pretty full and not just concentrating on case numbers as a basis to relax restrictions?

Our ICU capacity has come under pressure once since last April, for about 4 weeks which we are still experiencing.

Bear in mind our health system struggles every year.

By the time we exit level 5 lockdown we will have been in level 5 from the end of Oct to the start of March (with a 3 week "break" to level 3.5 in Dec)...that is 20 weeks through the dark winter months.

That is not including the restrictions that were imposed at the start of Oct, or the ridiculous restrictions we imposed during the summer.

And there is no data, anyone can point to that these severe lockdowns actually work...if they work we wouldn't have needed the 3 severe level lockdowns.

It's either zero covid, which has it's own risks given our geography and economy...or it is living with covid and not interrupting the lives of 5 million people to the extent we have being doing so!

Windmill100000

Why would there be an easing of restrictions when we are still seeing thousands of cases a day? We saw far less cases at the last level 5. Surely we all knew this was the way it was going to go till cases drop significantly (whether you agree with it or not).

At least the level 5 exceptions don't stipulate that you have to have known the person whose grave you're visiting, I suppose.

MM is talking about getting to 100 cases a day.
Considering the vaccine doesn’t stop you getting Covid, I don’t see how we’ll ever reach such a number, let alone maintain it with an open economy.

I’m fully expecting harsh restrictions until late summer at least. Probably still very harsh restrictions for all of 2021 and into 2022.

I think it will possibly take finances collapsing or Europe embarrassing us to reopen.

Ha Long Bay

Silentcorner wrote: »

Our ICU capacity has come under pressure once since last April, for about 4 weeks which we are still experiencing.

Bear in mind our health system struggles every year.

By the time we exit level 5 lockdown we will have been in level 5 from the end of Oct to the start of March (with a 3 week "break" to level 3.5 in Dec)...that is 20 weeks through the dark winter months.

That is not including the restrictions that were imposed at the start of Oct, or the ridiculous restrictions we imposed during the summer.

And there is no data, anyone can point to that these severe lockdowns actually work...if they work we wouldn't have needed the 3 severe level lockdowns.

It's either zero covid, which has it's own risks given our geography and economy...or it is living with covid and not interrupting the lives of 5 million people to the extent we have being doing so!

It's hard to have a genuine conversation\debate when you say things like lockdowns don't work when its clear as day they do.


Just to reiterate I hate the restrictions and want to wake up tomorrow with this all to be over but unfortunately it won't be.


The next month or two we will still have restrictions we just need to accept that but as the days get longer and weather gets warmer we can look forward to a good positive summer.

Flyer1

Only in Ireland are we focusing on fines and travel restrictions when we should be focused on vaccine rollout and developing a strategy for getting shattered businesses back up and running.