Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) Mod warning in OP 22/01

Bananaleaf · 24-01-2021 07:24PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

But as of now it doesn’t seem as if transmission is through the roof?

Well to be fair it wouldn't when they aren't tracing it and the school buildings are currently closed and have been since contact tracing stopped

am_zarathustra · 24-01-2021 07:28PM

Contact tracing would really have to be back before school could return but as numbers drop that could be possible for sure. Hopefully numbers stay low, the small number of close contacts for case will hopefully mean the amount undecteded is very low.

With contact tracing back up and running and numbers below 1000 LC could certainly return. Here's hoping people keep up the good work

Neagra · 24-01-2021 07:28PM

the results the last 5 days show this is over.

we all know before and during Christmas there was alot of house parties.
many young boys and girls , late teens, people in twenties and thirties, general mad lads decided to jack it up.
the family members of these mad bastards either did not know or had grown careless themselves.

that is why you have such large positive numbers but relatively low deaths.
the infected party boys and girls passed it onto their elderly family members who unfortunately got very sick and some passed away.
every village and town knows this and knows the names of the individuals who caused this latest spike.

the parties have stopped as neighbours are now calling the guards so no parties = low positive cases and deaths
keep the parties stopped and we will see no large waves like the last month

wirelessdude01 · 24-01-2021 07:36PM

Neagra wrote: »

the results the last 5 days show this is over.

we all know before and during Christmas there was alot of house parties.
many young boys and girls , late teens, people in twenties and thirties, general mad lads decided to jack it up.
the family members of these mad bastards either did not know or had grown careless themselves.

that is why you have such large positive numbers but relatively low deaths.
the infected party boys and girls passed it onto their elderly family members who unfortunately got very sick and some passed away.
every village and town knows this and knows the names of the individuals who caused this latest spike.

the parties have stopped as neighbours are now calling the guards so no parties = low positive cases and deaths
keep the parties stopped and we will see no large waves like the last month

This kind of attitude will mean it creeps back up again. Nothing is over at all.

Even when all schools are fully open again there is nothing to say it will be possible to keep them fully.open for the rest of the school year.

The DES really need to continue working on a contingency plan as a just incase. Not to, would be stupidity of the highest order.

Bananaleaf · 24-01-2021 07:43PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

This kind of attitude will mean it creeps back up again. Nothing is over at all.

This kind of attitude is the reason we are back here again

Neagra · 24-01-2021 07:45PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

This kind of attitude will mean it creeps back up again. Nothing is over at all.

Even when all schools are fully open again there is nothing to say it will be possible to keep them fully.open for the rest of the school year.

The DES really need to continue working on a contingency plan as a just incase. Not to, would be stupidity of the highest order.

i repeat keep the parties stopped and we can keep all aspects of our economy and public services open including schools retail pubs NOT nightclubs
its the house parties that are the one and only problem, same as last august and September which caused the last lockdown.

these are facts, they are facts many people dont like to admit because they are not very pc facts.

km79 · 24-01-2021 07:47PM

I hope University authorities are going to send out a strong message about upcoming rag weeks .......
They have been absentee landlords for much of the past 10 months
But that’s another story !

Bananaleaf · 24-01-2021 07:50PM

Neagra wrote: »

i repeat keep the parties stopped and we can keep all aspects of our economy and public services open including schools retail pubs NOT nightclubs
its the house parties that are the one and only problem, same as last august and September which caused the last lockdown.

these are facts, they are facts many people dont like to admit because they are not very pc facts.

Have you a link to these facts?

I don't have an issue with the political correctness of what you are saying, it's just the correctness of it that I'm concerned with

Mrsmum · 24-01-2021 07:51PM

I was listening to one of the prominent virus experts (forget his name) a couple of days ago. He said he was asked about the UK variant on the 22nd Dec and his response at the time was that it wasn't a serious factor here. But he was saying now a month later it is the main problem. So that was a quick spread. It seems to me going back after a period of staying at home and numbers decreasing is easy but will this new variant act up as soon as schools will open ???

wirelessdude01 · 24-01-2021 07:52PM

Neagra wrote: »

i repeat keep the parties stopped and we can keep all aspects of our economy and public services open including schools retail pubs NOT nightclubs
its the house parties that are the one and only problem, same as last august and September which caused the last lockdown.

these are facts, they are facts many people dont like to admit because they are not very pc facts.

Facts ehh. Source?

jrosen · 24-01-2021 07:54PM

Have the parties stopped? They may have reduced but they have not stopped.

One of our neighbors had 3 different visitors this week. Walking my dog during the week I passed a house with lights on and a guy cutting hair. No mask on him or the persons hair being cut and the 3 lads waiting no masks either.
I did a quick shop on Tesco thing morning and
The amount of families shopping was unbelievable, one mum with 3 late teen kids.

Same on my run passing by the aldi close to my house. Seeing plenty of couples and families out for a shop.
Woodies car park also busy, husbands cousin works at our local one and said it’s like a family day out these days.
Untill this behavior stops we won’t be returning to normality anytime soon

billy_beckham · 24-01-2021 07:54PM

km79 wrote: »

This is a much more transmissible strain ?
No testing of close contacts
Contact tracing

We have a bit to go yet

The absolute worst thing we could do is repeat the mistakes of December . Have we learned nothing ?

Are you seriously equating opening schools with the opening of hospitality and non essential retail??

am_zarathustra · 24-01-2021 07:54PM

Bananaleaf wrote: »

Have you a link to these facts?

I don't have an issue with the political correctness of what you are saying, it's just the correctness of it that I'm concerned with

Might be from a similar source her mate the gp, telling her a hospital that's ICU is completely full has, in fact, never been fill since March.

Opinions to suit a narrative

wirelessdude01 · 24-01-2021 07:55PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

I was listening to one of the prominent virus experts (forget his name) a couple of days ago. He said he was asked about the UK variant on the 22nd Dec and his response at the time was that it wasn't a serious factor. But he was saying now a month later it is the main problem. So that was a quick spread. It seems to me going back after a period of staying at home and numbers decreasing is easy but will this new variant act up as soon as schools will open ???

Also GP friend of mine said that what the worldwide scientific community are afraid of is a mutation of the SA and one of the Brazilian variants. Said that in the worse case scenario none of the 4 vaccines either in production or in trials will cover that.

combat14 · 24-01-2021 07:57PM

numbers way down today looks like norma is right schools be back soon after ?!

khalessi · 24-01-2021 08:00PM

combat14 wrote: »

numbers way down today looks like norma is right schools be back soon after ?!

Yes but not testing close contacts so artificial low

Clouron · 24-01-2021 08:01PM

You are very very busy monitoring everyone else.

quote="jrosen;116033708"]Have the parties stopped? They may have reduced but they have not stopped.

One of our neighbors had 3 different visitors this week. Walking my dog during the week I passed a house with lights on and a guy cutting hair. No mask on him or the persons hair being cut and the 3 lads waiting no masks either.
I did a quick shop on Tesco thing morning and
The amount of families shopping was unbelievable, one mum with 3 late teen kids.

Same on my run passing by the aldi close to my house. Seeing plenty of couples and families out for a shop.
Woodies car park also busy, husbands cousin works at our local one and said it’s like a family day out these days.
Untill this behavior stops we won’t be returning to normality anytime soon[/quote]

khalessi · 24-01-2021 08:03PM

Clouron wrote: »

You are very very busy monitoring everyone else.

quote="jrosen;116033708"]Have the parties stopped? They may have reduced but they have not stopped.

One of our neighbors had 3 different visitors this week. Walking my dog during the week I passed a house with lights on and a guy cutting hair. No mask on him or the persons hair being cut and the 3 lads waiting no masks either.
I did a quick shop on Tesco thing morning and
The amount of families shopping was unbelievable, one mum with 3 late teen kids. Were they wearing masks?

Same on my run passing by the aldi close to my house. Seeing plenty of couples and families out for a shop.
Woodies car park also busy, husbands cousin works at our local one and said it’s like a family day out these days. Were they wearing masks?
Untill this behavior stops we won’t be returning to normality anytime soon

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Neagra · 24-01-2021 08:09PM

jrosen wrote: »

Have the parties stopped? They may have reduced but they have not stopped.

One of our neighbors had 3 different visitors this week. Walking my dog during the week I passed a house with lights on and a guy cutting hair. No mask on him or the persons hair being cut and the 3 lads waiting no masks either.
I did a quick shop on Tesco thing morning and
The amount of families shopping was unbelievable, one mum with 3 late teen kids.

Same on my run passing by the aldi close to my house. Seeing plenty of couples and families out for a shop.
Woodies car park also busy, husbands cousin works at our local one and said it’s like a family day out these days.
Untill this behavior stops we won’t be returning to normality anytime soon

no its house parties that are the one and only issue
they ramp up numbers escalate
they drop like the last 3 weeks and numbers go down to very manageable levels.
from these house parties infected youngsters visit their elderly relatives and some go work in care homes etc.

ask any medical profession off the record and they will agree to the above.
but very few people will openly admit house parties are the problem as that will be seen as an attack on the young but more importantly an atack on the disadvantaged/ poor.

the other reason many people do not want to admit that house parties are the main issue is because of self interest.
many people have done well from this virus both in terms of money and more importantly for others power.

downthemiddle · 24-01-2021 08:18PM

Neagra wrote: »

no its house parties that are the one and only issue
they ramp up numbers escalate
they drop like the last 3 weeks and numbers go down to very manageable levels.
from these house parties infected youngsters visit their elderly relatives and some go work in care homes etc.

ask any medical profession off the record and they will agree to the above.
but very few people will openly admit house parties are the problem as that will be seen as an attack on the young but more importantly an atack on the disadvantaged/ poor.

the other reason many people do not want to admit that house parties are the main issue is because of self interest.
many people have done well from this virus both in terms of money and more importantly for others power.

There is a conspiracies theory forum for this type of nonsense.

NIMAN · 24-01-2021 08:21PM

Does thread title not need changed from February to March?

CruelSummer · 24-01-2021 08:22PM

Is there any way to start a poll re school reopenings?
I propose bringing forward the mid term break by 1 week and reopening the 3rd week of February. That way it’s just one extra week of home schooling. That’s still 3 weeks away and if you look at 3 weeks ago, cases have dropped a lot.
Of course there so many variables and this situation is so fast moving - it’s hard to keep up.

Caveats - why did Mícheal Martin state on the radio yesterday that schools wouldn’t all be back before St Patrick’s day out of the blue? If the Government have new information on different variants - we should be levelled with a bit more. It’s hard to justify keeping schools closed indefinitely with cases falling to levels they’ve previously been open at.

Theboinkmaster · 24-01-2021 08:23PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Does thread title not need changed from February to March?

Nope I’d still be hopeful of 22 Feb return for primary schools

khalessi · 24-01-2021 08:24PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Is there any way to start a poll re school reopenings?
I propose bringing forward the mid term break by 1 week and reopening the 3rd week of February. That way it’s just one extra week of home schooling. That’s still 3 weeks away and if you look at 3 weeks ago, cases have dropped a lot.
Of course there so many variables and this situation is so fast moving - it’s hard to keep up.

Caveats - why did Mícheal Martin state on the radio yesterday that schools wouldn’t all be back before St Patrick’s day out of the blue? If the Government have new information on different variants - we should be levelled with a bit more. It’s hard to justify keeping schools closed indefinitely with cases falling to levels they’ve previously been open at.

Cases have dropped because they aare not testing close contacts. The numbers are artificial, schools cannot go back to face to face until close contacts are traced and tessted

rainbowtrout · 24-01-2021 08:26PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

Is there any way to start a poll re school reopenings?
I propose bringing forward the mid term break by 1 week and reopening the 3rd week of February. That way it’s just one extra week of home schooling. That’s still 3 weeks away and if you look at 3 weeks ago, cases have dropped a lot.
Of course there so many variables and this situation is so fast moving - it’s hard to keep up.

Caveats - why did Mícheal Martin state on the radio yesterday that schools wouldn’t all be back before St Patrick’s day out of the blue? If the Government have new information on different variants - we should be levelled with a bit more. It’s hard to justify keeping schools closed indefinitely with cases falling to levels they’ve previously been open at.

Cases are falling, but numbers in ICU are high. That's the real problem. Having 10,000 cases a day would be grand if no one ended up in ICU.

The Times are reporting this evening that it's not likely that schools will be fully reopen until shortly before Easter. I had to google when Easter was this year - April 4th, so I would read that as just after St. Patrick's Day.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/most-children-may-not-return-to-classroom-until-close-to-easter-1.4466623

We should be informed, but we are not. Like everything else it will be last minute and half-assed. And I suspect Norma will not be making the decision, someone else will make the decision and she will be told what to say at the resulting press conference.

Millem · 24-01-2021 08:27PM

Isn’t there a delay on reporting case numbers on a Sunday?

Locotastic · 24-01-2021 08:30PM

khalessi wrote: »

Cases have dropped because they aare not testing close contacts. The numbers are artificial, schools cannot go back to face to face until close contacts are traced and tessted

Cases have dropped due to restrictions no?

Contact tracing never stopped only testing of asymptomatic contacts has stopped. Contacts still have to isolate for 14 days so it's not going to have a huge impact. In the same way our positivity rates are artificially inflated, testing only symptomatic people means your positivity rate is high.

khalessi · 24-01-2021 08:31PM

Locotastic wrote: »

Cases have dropped due to restrictions no?

Yes but they are not testing close contact therefore the numbers are not telling true story

Locotastic · 24-01-2021 08:34PM

khalessi wrote: »

Yes but they are not testing close contact therefore the numbers are not telling true story

Yes, which also means our positivity rate is artificially inflated too.

CruelSummer · 24-01-2021 08:35PM

To be honest it’d be great if someone asked NPHET a question re close contact tests tomorrow at the press conference. Thought I read somewhere that close contacts were being tested again except in certain circumstances.

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