Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) **Mod warning in OP 22/01**

Neagra

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/thisweekrte/status/1353329519415980033?s=19


It's beginning to look a lot like C̶h̶r̶i̶s̶t̶m̶a̶s̶ last year

jimmy careful with the Freudian slips.
posters might start to think you dont want the schools open.

Bananaleaf

Neagra wrote: »

jimmy careful with the Freudian slips.
posters might start to think you dont want the schools open.

Boards really needs to update its emoji list to include that monkey with his head in its hands.

mirrorwall14

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Sindo or Info aren't brought into our house, neither of us pay for digital access either. We refuse to give any money to the Independent group as their stance is generally very anti public service and extremely anti teacher.

Also as a Mayo fan the whole Brolly saga comes into it as well but that is an altogether different story.

Same. They by and large publish absolutely horrifying stuff about education. Very little research done and presented in the most sensational way possible

Neagra

i like the idea of individual schools being closed depending on the local numbers
for example south tipp is running at 750 per week covid cases. thats across tipp town cashel clonmel cahir carrick on suir and all surrounds - 50,000 plus living in that area
no reason any school should be closed in that part of the country

Bananaleaf

Neagra wrote: »

i like the idea of individual schools being closed depending on the local numbers
for example south tipp is running at 750 per week covid cases. thats across tipp town cashel clonmel cahir carrick on suir and all surrounds - 50,000 plus living in that area
no reason any school should be closed in that part of the country

I understand your point and if ICU wasn't in a mess I'd agree. But I think that for now, the ICU numbers will have to dictate.

Case numbers being high isn't great but it's very very dodgy even being at 50 cases a day if any of those were to suddenly take very ill and we have nowhere to put them

wirelessdude01

Neagra wrote: »

i like the idea of individual schools being closed depending on the local numbers
for example south tipp is running at 750 per week covid cases. thats across tipp town cashel clonmel cahir carrick on suir and all surrounds - 50,000 plus living in that area
no reason any school should be closed in that part of the country

So that's 1500 per hundred thousand.

Qwertyminger

Neagra wrote: »

i like the idea of individual schools being closed depending on the local numbers
for example south tipp is running at 750 per week covid cases. thats across tipp town cashel clonmel cahir carrick on suir and all surrounds - 50,000 plus living in that area
no reason any school should be closed in that part of the country

At that rate, in a year's time everyone will have been infected.

Neagra

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

So that's 1500 per hundred thousand.

1.5% is a more fairer way of reading it.
and this it peaking.
expect it down to 0.5% within 2 weeks

Neagra

Bananaleaf wrote: »

I understand your point and if ICU wasn't in a mess I'd agree. But I think that for now, the ICU numbers will have to dictate.

Case numbers being high isn't great but it's very very dodgy even being at 50 cases a day if any of those were to suddenly take very ill and we have nowhere to put them

there is one hospital south tipp in clonmel
i spoke to a gp friend - its icu is not full and never once was been since this vrius started last year

Neagra

Qwertyminger wrote: »

At that rate, in a year's time everyone will have been infected.

i hate to break it to you -
but not everyone will get this virus and even if you do there is then 1% chance of dying from it.
this is across all countries.

some experts for example believe true figures are for uk 15 million have or had the virus and ireland 500,000
this changes everything and we all know it

Qwertyminger

Neagra wrote: »

i hate to break it to you -
but not everyone will get this virus and even if you do there is then 1% chance of dying from it.
this is across all countries.

some experts for example believe true figures are for uk 15 million have or had the virus and ireland 500,000
this changes everything and we all know it

I'm just saying if cases were in or around 750 per week for a year, that would be 40k people infected. Out of the circa 50,000 mentioned.

10-15% of cases progress to severe disease

So you're talking 4-6k with severe disease in this case.

Typically people recover from COVID-19 after 2 to 6 weeks

That's 34k people out of work or otherwise incapacitated for an average of a month.

For some people, some symptoms may linger or recur for weeks or months following initial recovery. This can also happen in people with mild disease.

One in 20 develop medical complications that may have lasting health effects, that's about 2,000 people in this case.

Oh and 200 dead, plus the extras that will die if the hospital gets overwhelmed.

am_zarathustra

Neagra wrote: »

there is one hospital south tipp in clonmel
i spoke to a gp friend - its icu is not full and never once was been since this vrius started last year

http://tippfm.com/news/health/browne-icu-capacity-stgh-cause-concern/

I'm actually from the area and unfortunately have had to spend far more time in this hospital than I would like. It only has 5 icu beds, it's one ward essentially. It can't be allowed to be full as it has to be capable of accepting an emergency case or two from say a car crash, or machine injury from a farm. Running at only one ICU bed free is dangerous. Once they get to 3 patients in icu people would be rerouted if at all possible to maintain capacity for strokes etc that are time sensitive, usually to waterford but occasionally to cork depending on their situation.

Actually no beds available currently https://www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland/twelve-hospitals-with-no-available-critical-care-bed-as-covid-patients-top-2000-1066267.html
This friend of yours isn't very reliable

am_zarathustra

Neagra wrote: »

i hate to break it to you -
but not everyone will get this virus and even if you do there is then 1% chance of dying from it.
this is across all countries.

some experts for example believe true figures are for uk 15 million have or had the virus and ireland 500,000
this changes everything and we all know it

What experts?

byhookorbycrook

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Ran off twitter when the backlash from something she said backfired on her. Can't remember what it exactly was but was around Halloween.

She publicly named a rape victim, who hadn’t even told her family .

mirrorwall14

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

She publicly named a rape victim, who hadn’t even told her family .

Good lord that’s horrific!!!

Prepping here for tomorrow. Contemplating if I want to be mean enough to change the figures for each persons copy of the test for my maths test tomorrow to see if they cop..... might be a bit mean!!

The prep is never ending

am_zarathustra

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

She publicly named a rape victim, who hadn’t even told her family .

Jesus christ, I somehow missed this but that is an awful thing to do to another human.

wirelessdude01

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

She publicly named a rape victim, who hadn’t even told her family .

Ohh yes I remember now. She disappeared off air for a week or two afterwards and people were wondering if she had been fired but then arrived back and never even acknowledged what she had done.

downthemiddle

Neagra wrote: »

i hate to break it to you -
but not everyone will get this virus and even if you do there is then 1% chance of dying from it.
this is across all countries.

some experts for example believe true figures are for uk 15 million have or had the virus and ireland 500,000
this changes everything and we all know it

Quick, ring Norma. She'll be delighted with your expert opinion.

deiseindublin

Mrsmum wrote: »

I don't know. If school are open, parents will send their children in.

That's the problem. My LC student isn't happy to go in if the schools open soon, but she's also terrified not to incase of CG and it looking like she's slacking or missing something. It's really not a fair choice to have to make:
1. Go to school and hopefully do well in LC calculated grades BUT probably bring home Covid to your family.
2. Stay studying and learning from home, keep yourself and your family safe but fall down in LC calculated grades.

Is this really the choice that we want for our young people. on what is probably their first year being eligible to vote?

deiseindublin

am_zarathustra wrote: »

http://tippfm.com/news/health/browne-icu-capacity-stgh-cause-concern/

I'm actually from the area and unfortunately have had to spend far more time in this hospital than I would like. It only has 5 icu beds, it's one ward essentially.

I'm from within a half hour of it and NOBODY opts for this hospital if they have any alternative. It's horrendous in my experience. I've had a few friends parents in there in their last few days and it would be my worse nightmare for my own parents.

Anyway, not sure why I'm even replying, is filling ICU beds a target now?

km79

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/its-unpredictable-hses-paul-reid-says-knockbacks-from-vaccine-suppliers-likely-40004893.html

Close contacts of confirmed cases still not being tested and will not be for the foreseeable . Case numbers are therefore being reported lower than what the reality is

Mrsmum

deiseindublin wrote: »

That's the problem. My LC student isn't happy to go in if the schools open soon, but she's also terrified not to incase of CG and it looking like she's slacking or missing something. It's really not a fair choice to have to make:
1. Go to school and hopefully do well in LC calculated grades BUT probably bring home Covid to your family.
2. Stay studying and learning from home, keep yourself and your family safe but fall down in LC calculated grades.

Is this really the choice that we want for our young people. on what is probably their first year being eligible to vote?

I think parents and students are in the same space regarding knowing that if school is open, child has to go in because at that point remote teaching stops and school is where the only teaching happens. Where do parents make their voices heard - probably via politicians. But I think parents also know by calling for kids to be kept out of school, it's then going to be cg and there are big question marks over that too.
Edit- I'm a bit unclear in your post, are you saying in your opinion, cg are the most likely option now ?

History Queen

I see ASTI also pushing for written exams.

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1353336228985393152?s=19

jimmytwotimes 2013

History Queen wrote: »

I see ASTI also pushing for written exams.

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1353336228985393152?s=19

They need to sit down and get some kind of a plausible plan together and fairly soon.

C__MC

But sure if the government comes out and says JC and LC is cancelled, students will be gone.
And who could blame them

mirrorwall14

C__MC wrote: »

But sure if the government comes out and says JC and LC is cancelled, students will be gone.
And who could blame them

I can see the third years sticking around just because parents will make them go to school. There would be a massive drop out from leaving cert

jimmytwotimes 2013

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

I can see the third years sticking around just because parents will make them go to school. There would be a massive drop out from leaving cert

Probably but JC def not happening

History Queen

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

They need to sit down and get some kind of a plausible plan together and fairly soon.

Really want to hear what the SEC have to say on the issue.

Locotastic

https://www.newstalk.com/news/ireland-needs-to-lower-covid-19-positivity-rate-to-reopen-schools-in-a-sustainable-way-prof-devi-sridhar-1139873

A positivity rate of less than 5% needed for schools to open according to this expert.

Surely the fact that we are only testing symptomatic people currently means we may have an artificially inflated positivity rate at the moment?

"Professor Sridhar believes the debate of whether "schools are safe" is "a bit off-topic" as the question is about balancing the benefits of education with risk to teachers and families.

She added that she hasn't seen any evidence that the new variants of COVID-19 are more transmissible in children".

Short podcast here on school reopening https://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/on-the-record-with-gavan-reilly/when-will-it-be-safe-to-reopen-schools

Str8outtaWuhan

History Queen wrote: »

I see ASTI also pushing for written exams.

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1353336228985393152?s=19

It will be a hard sell telling their members to volunteer to work another summers holidays and that they are assessing students again!! lol