Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII Read OP For Mod Warnings

acequion · 23-01-2021 06:13PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

In my experience, for the most part those who are in favour of lockdown (both online or in real life), are in favour of it for the aforementioned reasons listed.
They’re either afraid of the virus, concerned for themselves or a loved one with an underlying condition, financially benefiting from wfh, or just never went out much anyway.
There will always be outliers. That doesn’t change my experience and it doesn’t make it wrong either.

The majority of those posting in favour of lockdowns on these threads are still in secure employment, paycut or not. That’s very telling I think.
If you disagree that’s cool, no intention of getting into a back and forth about it with you.

Susie, I always love reading your posts as what you say is generally balanced and insightful. But I do take issue with the emboldened above.

While there are clearly pro lockdown /heavy restriction and anti lockdown/lighter restriction camps out there, the categories in each are not so black and white as you suggest.

I'm in secure employment and very grateful and thankful to be, however I am staunchly opposed to excessive restrictions and blanket lockdowns and have been from day one. Because the restrictions massively impact other areas of my life. And I know several like me. There are also a great many others who can wfh but who absolutely hate it. This horrendous crisis is affecting everybody in so many different ways that it's far too simplistic to categorise why anyone will take a pro or anti stance.

However I will agree that there are indeed people who support it because they're directly benefitting and are being horrendously judgemental of others. These people are hypocrites and abhorrent.

23-01-2021 06:18PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Schools closed until Paddy's Day?

If that turns out to be true, and it most likely will, kids will not have had a proper education for 8 months of the past year.

That is absolutely shameful! The virus is zero risk to them.

They are the future of this country. But we’d rather not educate them and leave them a huge bill because we were more concerned about our own health.

Windmill100000 · 23-01-2021 06:21PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Nobody ever made that assumption though. I just said they are not guaranteed to get jobs their jobs back.

Can you imagine the conversation that a wet pub worker might be having with their bank around now?

“Hey, so about that payment break that has already been extended twice, is it possible to extend for 2021 as well please? I’m still temporary unemployed “

I dont imagine anyone needs to have that conversation at the moment in level 5. No bank is expecting anyones circumstances to change. An extended three months will be a great help to many and hopefully in three months level 5 lockdown will be over. In which case for many an extension wont be needed again. Many will likely be assessed as to what they can afford as happened to me when I was made redundant in '08. I paid an amount worked out by what I was earning, which at the time was sweet fa (196/week)

Not all jobs will be saved. You are living with that fact. I don't think anyone believed covid would not impact the economy, not just here but many countries

FintanMcluskey · 23-01-2021 06:25PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If that turns out to be true, and it most likely will, kids will not have had a proper education for 8 months of the past year.

That is absolutely shameful! The virus is zero risk to them.

They are the future of this country. But we’d rather not educate them and leave them a huge bill because we were more concerned about our own health.

We are destroying the futures of the children to buy time for those who have lived long lives.

Hard to believe

Kunta Kinte · 23-01-2021 06:34PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If that turns out to be true, and it most likely will, kids will not have had a proper education for 8 months of the past year.

That is absolutely shameful! The virus is zero risk to them.

They are the future of this country. But we’d rather not educate them and leave them a huge bill because we were more concerned about our own health.

So you believe health is not that important compared to keeping schools open in the midst of a worsening global pandemic then. Seriously? (Cue the stock "it`s only a mild respiratory illness" nonsense reply from you).

Penfailed · 23-01-2021 07:06PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If that turns out to be true, and it most likely will, kids will not have had a proper education for 8 months of the past year.

That is absolutely shameful! The virus is zero risk to them.

They are the future of this country. But we’d rather not educate them and leave them a huge bill because we were more concerned about our own health.

My kids are getting the same, if not more, work than normal. The virus may be of 'zero' risk to them but what about the teachers and the parents? It may come as a surprise to you but schools being closed doesn't mean that education has stopped.

23-01-2021 07:12PM

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

So you believe health is not that important compared to keeping schools open in the midst of a worsening global pandemic then. Seriously? (Cue the stock "it`s only a mild respiratory illness" nonsense reply from you).

Children’s education and futures are far more important than the health of the elderly. I would have thought that was a given.

Damaging their futures so some people can live a bit longer is shameful.

The illness is mild. The stats prove it. Your own personal feelings are irrelevant.

99M known cases. And it’s estimated to be much much more. 2M deaths. Hardly deadly now is it?

Penfailed · 23-01-2021 07:14PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Children’s education and futures are far more important than the health of the elderly. I would have thought that was a given.

Damaging their futures so some people can live a bit longer is shameful.

Shameful? No.

Education can be caught up on. Life can't. Kids are currently being educated.

23-01-2021 07:15PM

Penfailed wrote: »

My kids are getting the same, if not more, work than normal. The virus may be of 'zero' risk to them but what about the teachers and the parents? It may come as a surprise to you but schools being closed doesn't mean that education has stopped.

Maybe you are wonderful parent or your kids go to a wonderful school.

In lots of cases though, schools closed = children not receiving a proper education and not having the structure of school.

Penfailed · 23-01-2021 07:16PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Maybe you are wonderful parent or your kids go to a wonderful school.

Probably both.

emeldc · 23-01-2021 07:16PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

We are destroying the futures of the children to buy time for those who have lived long lives.

Hard to believe

Some of those kids you’re talking about could have lost their mum or dad today. The youngest one today was 46.

23-01-2021 07:17PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Shameful? No.

Education can be caught up on. Life can't. Kids are currently being educated.

Perhaps if you miss a few weeks.
A year... you are going to struggle unless we hold everyone back.

Life can catch up on you when you’re above life expectancy.

Penfailed · 23-01-2021 07:19PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Perhaps if you miss a few weeks.
A year... you are going to struggle unless we hold everyone back.

Life can catch up on you when you’re above life expectancy.

I'll say it again - kids are currently being educated.

23-01-2021 07:20PM

Penfailed wrote: »

I'll say it again - kids are currently being educated.

I believe Acequion and CruelSummer are both teachers.

It would be good to get their opinions on the topic.

I think 8 months with schools closed in the space of a year must have huge detrimental impacts to the children...

Windmill100000 · 23-01-2021 07:28PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I believe Acequion and CruelSummer are both teachers.

It would be good to get their opinions on the topic.

I think 8 months with schools closed in the space of a year must have huge detrimental impacts to the children...

Do you really care about the children or is this something else to latch onto and go straight to worst case scenario?

Actually, scrap that. I already know your answer.

TheCitizen · 23-01-2021 07:28PM

When you see the news today it’s amazing that there was so many whining idiots on here moaning about restrictions. It’s their fault and people like them and of course the government who gave in to their weak pathetic whining when opening up over December and Christmas that we’re where we are now. Congratulations whingebags, this is on you.

Don't Chute! · 23-01-2021 07:29PM

Penfailed wrote: »

I'll say it again - kids are currently being educated.

A few work sheets printed off a computer given to a kid who’s dad has to go out to work and who’s mother has to work from home constitutes an education now does it? Ludicrous. I’ve asked before, will teachers offer to make this time up or go on the PUP? Answer? Well, we all know don’t we?

Don't Chute! · 23-01-2021 07:32PM

TheCitizen wrote: »

When you see the news today it’s amazing that there was so many whining idiots on here moaning about restrictions. It’s their fault and people like them and of course the government who gave in to their weak pathetic whining when opening up over December and Christmas that we’re where we are now. Congratulations whingebags, this is on you.

Disgusting disgraceful sanctimonious bull****. How dare you. It must be great to be so ****ing judgmental.

Kunta Kinte · 23-01-2021 07:34PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Children’s education and futures are far more important than the health of the elderly. I would have thought that was a given.

Damaging their futures so some people can live a bit longer is shameful.

The illness is mild. The stats prove it. Your own personal feelings are irrelevant.

99M known cases. And it’s estimated to be much much more. 2M deaths. Hardly deadly now is it?

What is shameful is your casual disregard of the lives and wellbeing of people, many of whom would have looked forward to productive lives for many more (not a "bit") years were it not for contracting this fcuking virus. I hope you can sleep soundly at night although considering your posting history I don`t suppose that is an issue for you.:(

acequion · 23-01-2021 07:34PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I believe Acequion and CruelSummer are both teachers.

It would be good to get their opinions on the topic.

I think 8 months with schools closed in the space of a year must have huge detrimental impacts to the children...

No problem Jack.:)

You would be completely right if schools closed meant no education. But education is continuing apace and better this lockdown than last because everyone is more on top of the online game. I follow my timetable to teach all my classes and there is an excellent level of engagement from my students who are much more into technology and comfortable with this type of engagement than adults are. So I can honestly tell you that I'm getting through my courses almost as efficiently as if we were all at school.

Now I'm not for one minute saying that face to face education isn't a lot better because of course it is. And I also fully realise that there are kids slipping through the cracks. But in my opinion most are doing their best. It's tough but it's tough for everyone and I've never been of the viewpoint that we must wrap kids up in cotton wool. Shyt happens and they have to learn to deal with it within reason. Also the kinds of formative experiences for kids in school like the wide range of extra curriculars are out this year anyway, so even at school the experience isn't great.

I'm very much hoping that MM is talking through his mehole with this business of being out til after Paddy's. When have that lot ever had a consistent story especially regarding education! :rolleyes: Numbers are coming down and it's my fervent hope that we will get back sooner rather than later.

But in the meantime we're all doing our level best online.

TheCitizen · 23-01-2021 07:36PM

Don't Chute! wrote: »

Disgusting disgraceful sanctimonious bull****. How dare you. It must be great to be so ****ing judgmental.

You must be joking pal. The disgusting whining bullshít from was from the pathetic arseholes on here and elsewhere whinging about restrictions. We should not have opened up over Christmas that much is certain and clear now.

TomSweeney · 23-01-2021 07:38PM

acequion wrote: »

Susie, I always love reading your posts as what you say is generally balanced and insightful. But I do take issue with the emboldened above.

While there are clearly pro lockdown /heavy restriction and anti lockdown/lighter restriction camps out there, the categories in each are not so black and white as you suggest.

I'm in secure employment and very grateful and thankful to be, however I am staunchly opposed to excessive restrictions and blanket lockdowns and have been from day one. Because the restrictions massively impact other areas of my life. And I know several like me. There are also a great many others who can wfh but who absolutely hate it. This horrendous crisis is affecting everybody in so many different ways that it's far too simplistic to categorise why anyone will take a pro or anti stance.

However I will agree that there are indeed people who support it because they're directly benefitting and are being horrendously judgemental of others. These people are hypocrites and abhorrent.

I have to say the same, I have been working from home all through this and been on full time apart from the first 3 months when we worked 80% hours for 90% pay - and despite this I still managed to save way more than I usually do.

But I f*cking hate this lockdown sh1t .... hate it ...
I would take a pay cut at this stage to go back to the way life was before ...

Jim Gazebo · 23-01-2021 07:41PM

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

He had no proper walking gear while heading up a snow covered mountain in very cold temperatures. If he had fallen and suffered a broken leg or worse what do you think the likely outcome would have been? Anyway the point is that he was quite rightly fined for being outside the 5km limit without a valid reason so well done to the Gardai for enforcing the rules.

I didnt even want to acknowledge this but I will. He could easily have gone for a stroll come back to the car and gone home without doing any harm to anyone. If buts and ****ing maybes, quite rightly fined? Ridiculous in my opinion. No diffderent to a cyclist breaking the 5km but I don't hear about them being stopped and fined. To an end the 5km is a joke.

Don't Chute! · 23-01-2021 07:41PM

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

What is shameful is your casual disregard of the lives and wellbeing of people, many of whom would have looked forward to productive lives for many more (not a "bit") years were it not for contracting this fcuking virus. I hope you can sleep soundly at night although considering your posting history I don`t suppose that is an issue for you.:(

What the **** is your weird obsession with peoples posting history about?

emeldc · 23-01-2021 07:42PM

acequion wrote: »

No problem Jack.:)

You would be completely right if schools closed meant no education. But education is continuing apace and better this lockdown than last because everyone is more on top of the online game. I follow my timetable to teach all my classes and there is an excellent level of engagement from my students who are much more into technology and comfortable with this type of engagement than adults are. So I can honestly tell you that I'm getting through my courses almost as efficiently as if we were all at school.

Now I'm not for one minute saying that face to face education isn't a lot better because of course it is. And I also fully realise that there are kids slipping through the cracks. But in my opinion most are doing their best. It's tough but it's tough for everyone and I've never been of the viewpoint that we must wrap kids up in cotton wool. Shyt happens and they have to learn to deal with it within reason. Also the kinds of formative experiences for kids in school like the wide range of extra curriculars are out this year anyway, so even at school the experience isn't great.

I'm very much hoping that MM is talking through his mehole with this business of being out til after Paddy's. When have that lot ever had a consistent story especially regarding education! :rolleyes: Numbers are coming down and it's my fervent hope that we will get back sooner rather than later.

But in the meantime we're all doing our level best online.

My young lad is a primary school teacher and your post is almost word for word the way he described remote teaching to me. It’s not ideal but far better than it was in the first lockdown.

Jim Gazebo · 23-01-2021 07:45PM

TheCitizen wrote: »

You must be joking pal. The disgusting whining bullshít from was from the pathetic arseholes on here and elsewhere whinging about restrictions. We should not have opened up over Christmas that much is certain and clear now.

Disgusting whining bull**** from people whos lives are being wasted away looking at four walls of their house while their business falls apart.

Tiredandcranky · 23-01-2021 07:47PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Children’s education and futures are far more important than the health of the elderly. I would have thought that was a given.

Damaging their futures so some people can live a bit longer is shameful.

The illness is mild. The stats prove it. Your own personal feelings are irrelevant.

99M known cases. And it’s estimated to be much much more. 2M deaths. Hardly deadly now is it?

So what are you suggesting?
Hospitals close their doors to COVID patients, under some arbitrary age limit?
Because if hospitals are full, the no-one (young or old) can get proper care when ill.
And if that is what you’re suggesting... do you really want to live in a world like that?? Do you want the next generation to grow up in a world like that?

acequion · 23-01-2021 07:50PM

Jim Gazebo wrote: »

Disgusting whining bull**** from people whos lives are being wasted away looking at four walls of their house while their business falls apart.

But don't expect that type of poster to have one ounce of sympathy or empathy for the many whose lives are being and have been destroyed by restrictions. They clearly don't have it in them.

TheCitizen · 23-01-2021 07:52PM

Jim Gazebo wrote: »

Disgusting whining bull**** from people whos lives are being wasted away looking at four walls of their house while their business falls apart.

You haven’t seen the news today?

Windmill100000 · 23-01-2021 07:53PM

Tiredandcranky wrote: »

So what are you suggesting?
Hospitals close their doors to COVID patients, under some arbitrary age limit?
Because if hospitals are full, the no-one (young or old) can get proper care when ill.
And if that is what you’re suggesting... do you really want to live in a world like that?? Do you want the next generation to grow up in a world like that?

I dont think the poster thought it through that far. It was merely another attempt to highlight a service that lockdown was supposedly having a detrimental impact on and would cause irreparable and/or lifelong damage.

Great to hear from a teacher that that is in fact not the case

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