Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

edit: wrong thread.

Penfailed wrote: »

I don't know anyone that's 'pro-lockdown'. I've said repeatedly in this thread that I don't like lockdown/restrictions but I do understand the need for them. I don't pretend 'we're all in this together' and completely understand the negative affects of it on people. Also, I'm not benefiting from lockdown in any way shape or form. I've taken a pay cut. I've lost my main outlet which is playing live music and going to see bands. I can't even practice with the band. We haven't played together since the start of March last year. So, don't put yourself on a pedestal claiming that there's only one side telling the truth.

In my experience, for the most part those who are in favour of lockdown (both online or in real life), are in favour of it for the aforementioned reasons listed.
They’re either afraid of the virus, concerned for themselves or a loved one with an underlying condition, financially benefiting from wfh, or just never went out much anyway.
There will always be outliers. That doesn’t change my experience and it doesn’t make it wrong either.

The majority of those posting in favour of lockdowns on these threads are still in secure employment, paycut or not. That’s very telling I think.
If you disagree that’s cool, no intention of getting into a back and forth about it with you.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

That's not what I said.

What I said was a small minority might be finding things difficult.

Not the same thing.

Oh would you please stop playing semantics now! Whether you're splitting hairs over the phrasing of your "small minority" being affected" or "finding things difficult," your notion that somehow a large majority are carrying on as normal in the most widespread social and economic closure we'll ever experience is absurd. More than absurd. It shows a very poor understanding of the impact of the measures on whole swathes of the population. And a lack of empathy as well.

I've no time for this silly tit for tat you're engaging in and won't be posting on this again. And you're only digging a deeper hole for yourself by continuing.

Windmill100000 wrote: »

Actually you did. I asked you if you are saying all those on PUP are not going to return to work. You said it's not guaranteed.

Of course some will, hopefully quite a lot will return to their jobs especially the big chain shops.

Some have lost jobs, no question, but the suggestion that 500,000 will be unemployed when lockdown ends is really over dramatic and false. I expect all the retail shops in my local centre will open as soon as they can with the same staff.

I understand your point.

But you are not factoring in the impact of the mass change in habits that we are witnessing.

High Street Retail which was struggling before will likely never reach pre covid levels again...lots will close never to be seen again.

Pubs may never see the level of trade they were seeing pre covid ever again, or if they do, they will have to do twice or three times the work for the same reward...many will close never to be seen again.

The tourism industry is dead for another year, and similarly, levels may never return.

We do not have to safety valve of emigration this time around....there are going to be a lot of young people who will find it extremely difficult to afford to leave home.

Silentcorner wrote: »

I understand your point.

But you are not factoring in the impact of the mass change in habits that we are witnessing.

High Street Retail which was struggling before will likely never reach pre covid levels again...lots will close never to be seen again.

Pubs may never see the level of trade they were seeing pre covid ever again, or if they do, they will have to do twice or three times the work for the same reward...many will close never to be seen again.

The tourism industry is dead for another year, and similarly, levels may never return.

We do not have to safety valve of emigration this time around....there are going to be a lot of young people who will find it extremely difficult to afford to leave home.

There is no question the unemployment rate will rise this year, as in many countries, but using the absolute worst case scenario that all on pup will be permanently unemployed after lockdown is just another example of the false and misleading information churned out on here on a daily basis. It's embarrassing and cringeworthy.

what i find most moronic that few people that still need to commute and work gov implements wavepoints to fck with people to sit in traffic for hours, while half country turning into dopes with schools closed and everyone sitting on netlfix getting 350 doing bare f all :mad:


anyone with few brain cells would of easily could know that this **** will get worse come autumn/winter yet goverment took a 6mo break doing sweet f all.


now theres 4-5 diff vaccines out yet news sounds like its freaking Uganda type of mission to get it out to population.


seems more like 3rd world country then anything else when it comes to solving anything here.


now with this crap being extended to f knows how long, my bet is whatevers left after this prob another recession will wipe out whats left.

PowerToWait wrote: »

Everyone I know is getting on with it. Nobody is happy about it, but they're ALL making do and not being hysterical. A few of them have businesses and they're not in a good place, but there is a reluctant acceptance that that's sometimes the way things are. Sometimes life is ****. This is one of those times.

Maybe I'm just blessed with resilient friends who can accept reality?

50,000 restaurant owners in Italy decided to band together and reopen, defying government orders. The Italian government has been able to do nothing about it.

Your friends have been bluffed. No way is being barred from trading an inevitability. When you are in business you negotiate, you make some kind of deal at the very least. People have to advocate for their interests because no one else will.

At the moment all of our lives are being framed as a mere detail in a medical-scientific matter.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I'm fairly confident we can get things back close to normal within months. Most of what's closed now will be open again.

We all just have to put up with it a bit longer but, most importantly, have to do our part individually while the vaccines are being distributed.

In the meantime just hope for no unforeseen developments.

Yep, anyone I know on pup is expecting to return to work. Implying otherwise is pushing a false narrative and we all know that whether people on here admit it or not.

Windmill100000 wrote: »

What do you mean very few are guaranteed to return to work when lockdown ends. You think when lockdown ends all shops are going to remain closed?

its very likely that some businesses will be closed forever and not be able to afford to reopen. they are not in business at the moment and have bills to pay. might not be worth their while. other people may decide not to start new businesses due to the instability so yes not all but some may not reopen and the industry will be changed

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Lots of people will return to work at some point.

But at this moment in time, NONE of those people are guaranteed a job. So the stress for them is off the charts.

When the bank / landlord calls looking for their money, I doubt it will do them much good to say “I’ll probably have a job when the restrictions allow it”

Again, do your research. Banks are supporting people having problems paying mortgages. Bank of Ireland has just extended its 3 month freeze for another three months or offering other payment plans. I would imagine banks across the board are doing similar. The baseless doom and gloom is off the charts on here today.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I worked for a software company. 50 of us were made redundant as the companies customers struggled with Covid/lockdowns.

Most of us are still on PUP. No jobs to go back to.

Lots in the same boat. It’s a myth that just retail and hospitality staff are suffering.

I'm sure plenty are out of work. The assumption that no one on pup in any sector is going to be working when lockdown lifts is not true and you know it. Are you on pup? Is your landlord at the door? Or are you paying your mortgage?