Who Watches the Watchmen (Our Chit Chat Thread)

Wibbs · 18-01-2021 4:59pm

banie01 wrote: »

It was a new episode, filmed with social distancing and all.
Had a look at that particular watch and it's auction, I'd be honest from just the personal history of the AR watch last night, along with its owner being pictured wearing it on duty and also in RN promo shots from the time, I'd expect it to blow past the 2018 sale easily.

The original owner was a RN rescue Diver, watch is untouched and the appraiser even commented on not just the rarity of the dial, but also the original bracelet.

The whole segment was lovely, the excitement of the appraiser and the original owners history would really make one's ears perk up.

edit
Some screengrabs over here.

https://omegaforums.net/threads/good-old-bbc-antiques-roadshow-5513.125571/

Ahh, now I see why the estimate was what it was B. It seems to be a personal item Rolex with a military history, not an MOD issued Milsub with the different hands, bezel and fixed lugs. Still with the originality, provenance, pics in action and rarity of the dial etc I'd expect it to pass the Roadshow valuation, but not near an issued Milsub.

Fitz II · 18-01-2021 5:06pm

Cyrus wrote: »

i think you might be overegging his UFC earnings, even if he has a net worth of 100m, spending 1% of it on one watch seems excessive.

Maybe he is worth 2-300m but id be surprised.

If he has 100m he us earning 4-5mil a year off it easy in interest and investments. Dropping a mil on a watch is nothing, nor is it dead money, has resale value. Just another asset. His whisky tastes like crap btw.

Cyclingtourist · 18-01-2021 5:08pm

Fitz II wrote: »

His whisky tastes like crap btw.

It's Scotch?

Pablo_Flox · 18-01-2021 5:11pm

Fitz II wrote: »

His whisky tastes like crap btw.

I would honestly go for Tesco Value Scotch before Proper 12. The most flavorless stuff I have ever tasted.

stuchyg · 18-01-2021 5:32pm

Cyrus wrote: »

i think you might be overegging his UFC earnings, even if he has a net worth of 100m, spending 1% of it on one watch seems excessive.

Maybe he is worth 2-300m but id be surprised.

Making 3 -5 million show money plus ppv points. He has 4 of the 5 highest ufc ppv of all time, if he didn't seem like such a scumbag id be delighted for an Irish sportsman making so much money

unkel · 18-01-2021 5:36pm

Fitz II wrote: »

His whisky tastes like crap btw.

Careful now. He beat up the last guy who said that. Convicted for assault. How he can still travel to the USA with a criminal record is beyond me though

18-01-2021 5:42pm

Fitz II wrote: »

If he has 100m he us earning 4-5mil a year off it easy in interest and investments. Dropping a mil on a watch is nothing, nor is it dead money, has resale value. Just another asset. His whisky tastes like crap btw.

You'd like to think he has some decent financial expertise in his corner ....... plenty folk have squandered millions but to be fair to him he doesn't seem to be madly lavish. The i8 was almost an ecobox :pac:

I'm not a fan of the chap but I'd hate to see someone who has done so well financially squander it.

Cyrus · 18-01-2021 5:42pm

stuchyg wrote: »

Making 3 -5 million show money plus ppv points. He has 4 of the 5 highest ufc ppv of all time, if he didn't seem like such a scumbag id be delighted for an Irish sportsman making so much money

im always wary of the figures quoted by the news papers for all of these things, plus he has a full camp / entourage to pay and plenty of tax id wager as well.

And i agree with you, parts of what he has done are admirable, but he seems to have that link to very bad element (like many who came before him) that drags him down.

Cyrus · 18-01-2021 5:44pm

Augeo wrote: »

You'd like to think he has some decent financial expertise in his corner ....... plenty folk have squandered millions but to be fair to him he doesn't seem to be madly lavish. The i8 was almost an ecobox :pac:

I'm not a fan of the chap but I'd hate to see someone who has done so well financially squander it.

ah he is spending it alright

hsi wife has a lambo suv, and he appears to have a fleet of cars, plenty of private jets aswell.

more power to him.

But dont ever underestimate a fighters ability to squander massive fortunes, Holyfield and Tyson being prime examples.

18-01-2021 5:51pm

Cyrus wrote: »

............. but he seems to have that link to very bad element (like many who came before him) that drags him down.

There's a smell of wannabe scumbag off him tbh. Throwing sh1t at parked buses and throwing a slap at a 50 odd year old who is seated on a stool with his back to him. Deplorable carry on but very much wannabe style.
Fair enough he's been seen pinting with Graham Whelan but that's all part of the wannabe thing also IMO.

stuchyg · 18-01-2021 5:52pm

Cyrus wrote: »

ah he is spending it alright hsi wife has a lambo suv, and he appears to have a fleet of cars, plenty of private jets aswell. more power to him.

But dont ever underestimate a fighters ability to squander massive fortunes, Holyfield and Tyson being prime examples.

Was holyfield swindled out of his or did he spend it. Shaq tells a story of going to a rolls Royce dealership with Tysoe who bought three without ever looking at the car even

18-01-2021 5:53pm

Cyrus wrote: »

ah he is spending it alright hsi wife has a lambo suv, and he appears to have a fleet of cars, plenty of private jets aswell. more power to him. .........

What was the old adage...... if it floats, flys or f***s ....... rent it

Cyrus · 18-01-2021 6:07pm

Augeo wrote: »

What was the old adage...... if it floats, flys or f***s ....... rent it

lot of truth in that, the upkeep on some of these things is mental.

Private jet you can rent for 10s of thousands but owning one will run into 7 figures very easily without flying very far in just maintenance, and operational costs.

Thirdfox · 18-01-2021 6:24pm

Cyrus wrote: »

lot of truth in that, the upkeep on some of these things is mental.

Private jet you can rent for 10s of thousands but owning one will run into 7 figures very easily without flying very far in just maintenance, and operational costs.

Alas needing a private jet (and yes there are people who "need" a private jet) 7 figures can make sense than going half way with renting (and not getting the exact time slots you need).

Read a good article about why anyone would "need" a private jet and one CEO reckoned that it gave him almost 3 months of his life back between not waiting for flights and flying directly to local airfields instead of airports. To some people 3 months of their life is well worth 5-6 million.

Time becomes the most precious resource in the end for the uber rich - a private jet might make more financial sense than a Jacob and Co watch or Bugatti Veryon

Cyrus · 18-01-2021 6:27pm

Thirdfox wrote: »

Alas needing a private jet (and yes there are people who "need" a private jet) 7 figures can make sense than going half way with renting (and not getting the exact time slots you need).

Read a good article about why anyone would "need" a private jet and one CEO reckoned that it gave him almost 3 months of his life back between not waiting for flights and flying directly to local airfields instead of airports. To some people 3 months of their life is well worth 5-6 million.

Time becomes the most precious resource in the end for the uber rich - a private jet might make more financial sense than a Jacob and Co watch or Bugatti Veryon

i know someone who uses them extensively who has toyed with buying one, and even though its the thing he likes more than anything else about being rich he is still hesitant.

micks_address · 18-01-2021 6:32pm

Pablo_Flox wrote: »

I would honestly go for Tesco Value Scotch before Proper 12. The most flavorless stuff I have ever tasted.

It’s just some labelled stuff produced in Kerry. Nothing mcgregor about it. That said if he like what he spends his money fair play to him.

Fitz II · 18-01-2021 6:48pm

Cyclingtourist wrote: »

It's Scotch?

Its blended Irish Whiskey only product of scotland can be called scotch. The scottish would be gutted anyone would think that bog water is Scotch.:D

Cyclingtourist · 18-01-2021 7:24pm

Fitz II wrote: »

Its blended Irish Whiskey only product of scotland can be called scotch. The scottish would be gutted anyone would think that bog water is Scotch.:D

But this guy, what's his name McGregor(?) he's gotta be Scottish with a name like that.

micks_address · 18-01-2021 7:25pm

Cyclingtourist wrote: »

But this guy, what's his name McGregor(?) he's gotta be Scottish with a name like that.

Blended Irish

Fitz II · 18-01-2021 7:39pm

Cyclingtourist wrote: »

But this guy, what's his name McGregor(?) he's gotta be Scottish with a name like that.

blue5000 · 18-01-2021 7:39pm

Cyclingtourist wrote: »

But this guy, what's his name McGregor(?) he's gotta be Scottish with a name like that.

I read somewhere that he used to be on boards. Maybe I just spend too much time on here.

Fitz are you going to revive the 5 watches for a tenner thread?:D

Fitz II · 18-01-2021 7:45pm

blue5000 wrote: »

I read somewhere that he used to be on boards. Maybe I just spend too much time on here.

Fitz are you going to revive the 5 watches for a tenner thread?:D

Yeah need to revive that, I have rules for the next one all set.

893bet · 18-01-2021 7:49pm

Fitz II · 18-01-2021 8:37pm

Trigger Happy wrote: »

Its the jazzmaster maestro I am after, its a chrono!

ALert Alert

https://www.adverts.ie/casual/hamilton-aviation-automatic-price-drop/19667644

Trigger Happy · 18-01-2021 9:01pm

Fitz II wrote: »

ALert Alert

Nice watch but a bit too far in looks from what I am looking for!

893bet · 18-01-2021 9:02pm

Fitz II wrote: »

Yeah need to revive that, I have rules for the next one all set.

I assume UK are now outside scope of the rules......

fat bloke · 18-01-2021 11:21pm

http://www.adverts.ie/22647956

Good deal?

Wibbs · 18-01-2021 11:44pm

Cyclingtourist wrote: »

But this guy, what's his name McGregor(?) he's gotta be Scottish with a name like that.

In very general terms Mc is Irish, Mac is Scots. Hell Scotland itself gets its name from Ireland, as Scotti was the generic term for the Irish Gael as far as the Classical world went. Later on they amended it for clarity regarding place of birth. EG John Scottus Eriugena. He of the old five punt note.

Roughly translated as; John the Gael, born of Ireland.

unkel · 18-01-2021 11:48pm

fat bloke wrote: »

http://www.adverts.ie/22647956

Good deal?

Cheapest one in good condition, on chrono24, full set, in the EU is €450. That price would have some room for negotiation and includes the sellers fee (iirc 6.5%). So, no not a good deal imho. If I were selling, I'd put it up for €440 and would accept €360 or so

scwazrh · 18-01-2021 11:52pm

unkel wrote: »

Cheapest one in good condition, on chrono24, full set, in the EU is €450. That price would have some room for negotiation and includes the sellers fee (iirc 6.5%). So, no not a good deal imho. If I were selling, I'd put it up for €440 and would accept €360 or so

Is the €360 to allow for a €400 profit when you flip it ???

unkel · 19-01-2021 12:44am

If you sell it to me for minus €40 :pac:

Fitz II · 19-01-2021 9:46am

unkel wrote: »

Cheapest one in good condition, on chrono24, full set, in the EU is €450. That price would have some room for negotiation and includes the sellers fee (iirc 6.5%). So, no not a good deal imho. If I were selling, I'd put it up for €440 and would accept €360 or so

Not seeing any on chrono for 450? All around a grand with one in germany at 750? Where is this cheap one?

Thirdfox · 19-01-2021 9:58am

Fitz II wrote: »

Not seeing any on chrono for 450? All around a grand with one in germany at 750? Where is this cheap one?

TAG Heuer Formula 1 Quartz
€450
https://www.chrono24.co.uk/tagheuer/formula-1-quartz--id16498034.htm?SETLANG=en_GB&SETCURR=EUR

This one seems to be the one Unkel is referring to - there are others at 500 (Portugal) and 600 (Germany) too.

Fitz II · 19-01-2021 10:10am

Thirdfox wrote: »

TAG Heuer Formula 1 Quartz
€450
https://www.chrono24.co.uk/tagheuer/formula-1-quartz--id16498034.htm?SETLANG=en_GB&SETCURR=EUR

This one seems to be the one Unkel is referring to - there are others at 500 (Portugal) and 600 (Germany) too.

Thats got the wrong box and cant seem to get anything on the Tag Serial number checker on that. Warranty card code doesnt match the watch either.

Lurching · 19-01-2021 12:13pm

Fitz II wrote: »

Thats got the wrong box and cant seem to get anything on the Tag Serial number checker on that. Warranty card code doesnt match the watch either.

And it's completely missing the crown.

Fitz II · 19-01-2021 12:56pm

Lurching wrote: »

And it's completely missing the crown.

How did I miss that? Good spot.

Look it goes to show if we list price low to high and take the cheapest you are often not comparing like with like, and its unfair to beat a seller selling good watches with the dross thats out there.

Looking at the same model of listing you would actually buy with confidence, I think the one on adverts is well enough priced.

unkel · 19-01-2021 1:36pm

Good spot lads. When doing a quick price check on chrono24, I just filter for EU and for full set and then price low to high. Without obviously paying too much attention on the pictures of the watch

My understanding of Portuguese isn't the best, but I got the impression from the description that the watch was in excellent condition, took that at face value.

There are several other watches with a lower price than the one on adverts though, haven't checked any of them out. And adverts.ie asking prices are just asking prices. Sometimes the seller doesn't really know how much to ask (which is fair enough) and sometimes they are realistic when it comes to offers, sometimes not.

Necessita de uma coroa e, talvez, uma revisão. Valor negociável.

I guess he did say it needs a crown and a service

Would probably accept €300

Fitz II · 19-01-2021 1:45pm

unkel wrote: »

Good spot lads. When doing a quick price check on chrono24, I just filter for EU and for full set and then price low to high. Without obviously paying too much attention on the pictures of the watch My understanding of Portuguese isn't the best, but I got the impression from the description that the watch was in excellent condition, took that at face value.

There are several other watches with a lower price than the one on adverts though, haven't checked any of them out. And adverts.ie asking prices are just asking prices. Sometimes the seller doesn't really know how much to ask (which is fair enough) and sometimes they are realistic when it comes to offers, sometimes not.

Necessita de uma coroa e, talvez, uma revisão. Valor negociável.

I guess he did say it needs a crown and a service

Would probably accept €300

There are a few cheaper but a lot more that are more expensive. Its priced on adverts on the low side of average which is all you can ask. Below is the chrono stats on the watch preowned. That cheap one is almost certainly a fake, why bother getting loose paperwork unless you were trying to pass something worth a tenner off for 3-400.

eljono · 20-01-2021 10:01am

I recently ordered a micro-adjust clasp for my SMP 300m which arrived yesterday. Tried removing the screws and pins which connect the end link to the current clasp, but they are very tightly screwed in and I cannot physically open them with my tools. I'm conscious of over-exertion and stripping the screw heads and/or scratching the links.

Any tips on how to get them open? Tiny squirt of WD40?

Fitz II · 20-01-2021 10:09am

eljono wrote: »

I recently ordered a micro-adjust clasp for my SMP 300m which arrived yesterday. Tried removing the screws and pins which connect the end link to the current clasp, but they are very tightly screwed in and I cannot physically open them with my tools. I'm conscious of over-exertion and stripping the screw heads and/or scratching the links.

Any tips on how to get them open? Tiny squirt of WD40?

Only way is to get a pin pusher tool on amazon they are only a few euro and a good set of screwdrivers like Burgeon, quality drivers are the key and using the exact size you need rather than forcing in a bigger one of using a loose fitting one. Around 50 euro for a set of them but they last forever.

Heating the link can help, some people use a little torch to do it and expand the metal. Youtube will have vids on this if you get a really difficult one.

Fitz II · 20-01-2021 10:12am

OmegaGene wrote: »

My 2 cent on the tag in chrono, yes it’s wrecked and needs work but it’s not fake and the box is correct, considering the watch was produced from 2008-2011 the chances of it being on any database are zero as it didn’t exist back then, the warranty cards were also paper cards stamped/stickers and hand written at that time

And the serial number on the papers not matching the watch?

Cienciano · 20-01-2021 11:03am

eljono wrote: »

I recently ordered a micro-adjust clasp for my SMP 300m which arrived yesterday. Tried removing the screws and pins which connect the end link to the current clasp, but they are very tightly screwed in and I cannot physically open them with my tools. I'm conscious of over-exertion and stripping the screw heads and/or scratching the links.

Any tips on how to get them open? Tiny squirt of WD40?

Worth getting a few good tools, as fitz said, bergeon is a good home tool brand. I had a cheap ebay springbar tool and then got a bergeon one, the difference is night and day. It only cost about €15, but it's absolutely amazing compared with the cheap one. Screwdrivers the same, a quality set of flathead screwdrivers make removing the screws far easier. And when you get a few, you'll always have a tight fit which means it won't slip and damage the screwhead.

Fitz II · 20-01-2021 11:04am

OmegaGene wrote: »

if i was buying it then i would throw away the card if it didnt match and get it serviced by tag, some dealer often added in a blank card or they get mixed up over time between flips
i cant even read the serial number on the card, only the model number CAH1113

I dont know, I can forgive one or two issues, but when you add them together
. Ultra low price.
.Crowns fallen off a "good condition barely worn watch". Its a cam and tube on the real watch so difficult to dislodge.
. Wrong Card.
. RRXXXXX serial number which is common on replicas.
. Out of focus pictures.
. Chrono is dubious as they asked the seller post pictures with a certain time on the drawn clock as they though he didnt own the watch.
. By the time you service this with TAG it will owe you the price of a less bogey one.

Its a no for me.

unkel · 20-01-2021 11:43am

Cienciano wrote: »

Worth getting a few good tools, as fitz said, bergeon is a good home tool brand. I had a cheap ebay springbar tool and then got a bergeon one, the difference is night and day. It only cost about €15, but it's absolutely amazing compared with the cheap one. Screwdrivers the same, a quality set of flathead screwdrivers make removing the screws far easier. And when you get a few, you'll always have a tight fit which means it won't slip and damage the screwhead.

Same experience here. Bought a single Bergeon screwdriver in the correct size just to adjust the bracelet of my last Rolex. And only a few weeks ago got a Bergeon springbar tool, makes a huge difference from the cheap tools I was using before and that I would never even have tried on any expensive watch

I hate the saying but in this case very much a "you get what you pay for" and the Bergeon tools aren't even that expensive at around €15-€20 each

unkel · 20-01-2021 12:07pm

OmegaGene wrote: »

Shame about the extra charges when buying from the U.K.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tag-Heuer-Full-SizeAxl Nice MeteoroidMen-s-Chronograph-Watch-CAH1113-/293949826051?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49292

That only ships to the UK. Anyone know if Parcel Motel - with the UK address in the North - is back working or is it still suspended?

Kintarō Hattori · 20-01-2021 12:24pm

unkel wrote: »

That only ships to the UK. Anyone know if Parcel Motel - with the UK address in the North - is back working or is it still suspended?

Have you asked if he'd ship to Ireland? Quite often they will. We're a bit of an afterthought for a lot of sellers.

IrishPlayer · 20-01-2021 11:17pm

Started season two of Knight Rider, spotted another LED watch.

Season 2 Episode 3 Brothers Keeper

Hamilton QED 955 worn by the character Eric Fenton played by Michael Fairman

Funny enough have learned a lot about these LED watches thanks to a guy I have gotten chatting with the past year on of all places, the Bellmatics forum

Lorddrakul · 22-01-2021 11:05am

Interesting article here from Hodinkee, tackling some of the persistent dive watch myths, including some depth rating and water resistance issues, from 2017.

Having seen the near aquaphobic nature of some Speedie wearers, I find this quite interesting.

Is the water resistance rating of a €10 watch to be regarded the same as that of a €1,000 purpose built piece? Or indeed, a €5,000 icon?

I've only ever dived with one watch: a TAG Heuer Formula 1 Professional chrono, with a 200 meter rating. I did the PADI Open Water and Advanced Open Water licences with it. We did a 30m depth test and a multi-level dive to 30m and did not have an issue. The resin bezel worked just fine even at depth, but we were also equipped with dive computers by the school.

I also have an SKX009 that I regard as my holiday watch that happily goes down water slides and flumes, gets worn in the sea and just generally gets abuse in recreation. That said, my Speedie Mark II has a resistance rating of 100m and after its recent rebuild, where there were no signs of seal seat damage or corrosion, the watch guy reckons it should be good for its original performance.

I have no intention of diving soon, but would wear the Mark II while doing wet things: washing up, car washing, garden hosing, etc.

What do we think?

Not looking to start a bun fight, just interested in people's own habits and interpretations.

oxocube · 22-01-2021 11:41am

Use my SKX as my beater and bring it on holiday for the exact same reason.

Cook with my chronograph

micks_address · 22-01-2021 11:49am

Don’t dive at all and really only swim in pools. I used to wear a steinhart ocean vintage gmt in the pool but stopped after the writing on the bezel faded. Steinhart sorted it and others suggested it’s probably the chlorine in the water did the wearing as it’s used by watch folks to make new bezels look naturally worn. To your speedmaster question I wouldn’t wear one in the water. It’s probably more to do with the value of it than it’s performance. I’d be concerned at damaging a 3.5k plus watch.

Who Watches the Watchmen (Our Chit Chat Thread)

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