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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #7322
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    When would deaths in Israel be expected to reduce? Still climbing over there, would have thought they'd see a bit of drop off in deaths by now

    Assuming similar patters to Ireland their high in terms of cases was 10 days ago so their high in icu should be today and their high in terms of death should be in a few days.

    That's without any influence from vaccine.


  • #7323
    monkeybutter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,145 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    At 75 one still has 12 years of life expectancy remaining. My dear friend in her 70s has recently sold up, and adventurously moved half way across a continent to live in a remote area. I do not expect them or me to live forever but to have a 12.5% chance of dying within a few months after being hospitalised for a virus is still an unpleasant stat.




    that's at 75, but not all over 75s are in fact 75...


  • #7324
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    While obviously is of concern and warrants further investigation it's kind of a useless study though as there is no control group of people with similar underlying conditions who never caught COVID or were never hospitalised with COVID. It says those who were hospitalised were more likely to be obese, diabetic, hypertensive etc..while it sounds pretty shocking that 12% are dying just a few months after being hospitalised, what is the risk of death for those people under normal circumstances in that time period? I'm sure it's longer but by how much longer? Without knowing that it doesn't tell us much.

    One thing that did worry me though is a thought that this phenomen may be what is contributing to the high excess deaths in in some countries above those confirmed to have died of COVID. Of course the logical opinion was that the excess beyond the official COVID death toll was deaths among people missing treatment for their other illnesses, but as we saw in Ireland lockdown and related restrictions have not actually led to any increase in mortality rate during this period. So it's odd that excess deaths are just so much higher than here in countries like UK, USA, much higher than their confirmed COVID deaths . Just wondered if that may be what is responsible, some people dying months after they are 'recovered' from COVID, because so far there aren't many explanations for these large number of unexplained deaths.

    I think USA and UK have underestimated their Covid related deaths and that despite delays and cancellations of many normal services here, we did better than some other countries in continuing very essential care and did so relatively quickly in April.

    There were more delays to chemo in the UK whereas in Ireland it went ahead, in some situations by using the private hospitals. Tullamore oncology and haematology day services moved to The Hermitage during the first wave. Time critical urology and breast cancer surgery for the NorthWest was performed in the Galway Clinic. Urgent surgery was also done in BRC and The Beacon. Mater Private facilitated numerous coronary angiograms and stents for public patients. Definitely could have done more and better utilised the private hospitals but it was some help.


  • #7325
    yermandan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,068 ✭✭✭yermandan


    seamus wrote: »
    The problem is the media canvassing opinions from anyone they can find and then making headlines out of them. When NPHET or Leo refuse to provide sufficiently gloomy soundbites about restrictions, they go interviewing other random people from the HSE.

    It is perfectly understandable that the Head of ICU at a hospital will have an extremely pessimistic outlook. There's also a certain hopefulness in it for them; many are so exhausted; physically and emotionally; that a national lockdown until the late Summer would be welcomed by them.

    There's also the misuse of words by the media; "Top expert warns that restrictions will be in place until next Christmas". This is used to imply that someone important has said that we will be under lockdown until then.

    When in fact what they may have said is that things like mask-wearing may still be required in some environments like hospitals.

    The word "restrictions" has been doing a lot of heavy lifting for the last year as a way of stoking up fear.

    I really appreciate your reasoned and well thought out posts. They are an antidote to the majority of stoking fear nonsense that we're all faced with day in and day out. Cheers for that


  • #7326
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    Rebelbrowser wrote: »
    I think you meant "to date"!

    Definitely! Predictive text which makes me worried about how often I have used the word death.


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  • #7327
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    majcos wrote: »
    Definitely! Predictive text which makes me worried about how often I have used the word death.

    Yes, especially as a doctor you should be careful about that :P


  • #7328
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Yes, especially as a doctor you should be careful about that :P
    What death would you like to book Mrs Murphy?!


  • #7329
    CrabRevolution
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,961 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Today's GP covid test referral data is out.

    As normal, there is an increase on referrals on Monday (weekend effect) - which then feeds into the usual swab numbers spike on Wednesday. The spike is more pronounced than it was last Monday. Hopefully, nothing of concern but will watch tomorrow's data closely.

    https://tomorrowscare.ie/covid/2021-01-19_COVID_GP_Survey_Results.pdf

    A more positive way of looking at the data (I am an optimist...) is that the raw number of test referrals for yesterday was 43% lower than last Monday (not bad).

    I wouldn't get too despondent on those Monday results if we get a similar Monday-Tuesday drop to the one last week.


  • #7330
    PixelTrawler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,301 ✭✭✭PixelTrawler


    Currys had queues for the PS5 at most of the Dublin branches at lunch time today, from the playstation PS5 stock thread.

    And made none available for home delivery. Thats hardly in the spirit of the restrictions is it?? Thought they could only trade essential items like home appliances in store?

    Apparently 25-30 at blanch and jervis in the queue.


  • #7331
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Yes, especially as a doctor you should be careful about that :P
    Haven’t mentioned my profession. I did hear a story from an oncologist once about how she did an entire ward round in the oncology ward and a full outpatient clinic with new cancer patients using a branded pen to mark the drug charts and patient notes etc. Didn’t get why she was upset about it until she told me the pen was branded by Massey Brothers Funeral Homes.


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  • #7332
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    CrabRevolution wrote: »
    I wouldn't get too despondent on those Monday results if we get a similar Monday-Tuesday drop to the one last week.
    I expect paranoia is quite high at the moment as well, lots of people seeking a test for a sore throat or a bit of lethargy. I remember back in April/May getting worried every time I developed a bit of a scratchy throat or felt under the weather.

    I'm not sure how much value is in the ratings of "met test criteria" or "clinically likely", when there are no face-to-face consultations taking place. Easy enough to spoof a few symptoms to get yourself on the list.

    Time will tell!


  • #7333
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    seamus wrote: »
    I expect paranoia is quite high at the moment as well, lots of people seeking a test for a sore throat or a bit of lethargy. I remember back in April/May getting worried every time I developed a bit of a scratchy throat or felt under the weather.

    I'm not sure how much value is in the ratings of "met test criteria" or "clinically likely", when there are no face-to-face consultations taking place. Easy enough to spoof a few symptoms to get yourself on the list.

    Time will tell!
    When we relaxed the protocol we did have a period of anyone who looked or sounded unwell were being booked for tests. There's still an element of that at work.


  • #7334
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,151 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Appears to have been quite a bit of deaths in hospital on the past 24 hours


  • #7335
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    There needs to register for covid cases to monitor the health impacts longterm. There also needs to be a register for journalists who jump down on studies like they're the fcking divine gospel. Especially, god dam preprints. Please. Stop. Even if published in peer review it doesn't mean a study is scientifically proven. Danone had to change their marketing over this. Wish similar could be done in the media.
    *sigh*


  • #7336
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,182 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Scotland extending closure of schools to mid February

    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1351541076872597506


  • #7337
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    seamus wrote: »
    I expect paranoia is quite high at the moment as well, lots of people seeking a test for a sore throat or a bit of lethargy. I remember back in April/May getting worried every time I developed a bit of a scratchy throat or felt under the weather.

    I'm not sure how much value is in the ratings of "met test criteria" or "clinically likely", when there are no face-to-face consultations taking place. Easy enough to spoof a few symptoms to get yourself on the list.

    Time will tell!

    Especially when you have a GP tweeting random symptoms which may or may not be a result of covid.


  • #7338
    IrishStuff09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 814 ✭✭✭IrishStuff09


    https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1351544198105882629


  • #7339
    fred funk }{
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,834 ✭✭✭fred funk }{


    1682 positive swabs, 9.06% positivity on 18,559 tests.


  • #7340
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    1682 swabs, 9.06% positive.

    Good!


  • #7341
    fred funk }{
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,834 ✭✭✭fred funk }{


    Fantastic numbers


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  • #7342
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    1682 positive swabs from 18559 tests (9.06% positivity)


  • #7343
    Mr Magnolia
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,445 Mod ✭✭✭✭Mr Magnolia


    seamus wrote: »
    I expect paranoia is quite high at the moment as well, lots of people seeking a test for a sore throat or a bit of lethargy. I remember back in April/May getting worried every time I developed a bit of a scratchy throat or felt under the weather.

    I'm not sure how much value is in the ratings of "met test criteria" or "clinically likely", when there are no face-to-face consultations taking place. Easy enough to spoof a few symptoms to get yourself on the list.

    Time will tell!

    Sister was telling me there's a bug going round with many similar symptoms to C-19 which has loaded the screening. She works in the health care sector and had to be tested herself as she was unwell. Wasn't C-19 but is taking a few days to shift the lethargy and general feeling of unwell.


  • #7344
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,182 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    We're getting there slowly but surely

    https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1351544198105882629


  • #7345
    PmMeUrDogs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭PmMeUrDogs


    Eod100 wrote: »
    We're getting there slowly but surely

    https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1351544198105882629

    Brilliant. Still being cautious but another drop in positivity is fantastic news


  • #7346
    fred funk }{
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,834 ✭✭✭fred funk }{


    The positivity rate is dropping quicker than lockdown No.1.


  • #7347
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Scotland extending closure of schools to mid February

    https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1351541076872597506

    A sensible option

    Not quite comparable over here though as in Scotland vulnerable children, and children of key workers have remained at school and will continue to do so


  • #7348
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Eod100 wrote: »
    We're getting there slowly but surely

    https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1351544198105882629

    Elimination a possibility with widespread vaccination


  • #7349
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Eod100 wrote: »
    We're getting there slowly but surely

    https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1351544198105882629

    Brilliant :)

    We should be well under 2000 cases today hopefully so as afaik there isn't any significant backlog out there


  • #7350
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Lowest positivity rate since Xmas Day.

    I know this feels like the longest fvcking month in history, watching the positivity rates just go up and up since Xmas day, but they've actually dropped almost as quickly as they increased. Maybe only 2-3 days in the difference.

    With any luck, tomorrow will be kind to us. 10-11% positivity would be on trend.

    Would bode well for the end of the month.


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  • #7351
    Maxpfizer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 496 ✭✭Maxpfizer


    Eod100 wrote: »
    We're getting there slowly but surely

    https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1351544198105882629

    When this all blows over I'd love to know more about why we have so many people showing up to be tested and yet less than one in ten actually end up testing positive.

    Are a lot of these tests just the mandatory testing for people who need it for work or travel?

    Just seems wild to me that for every ten people showing up wanting a test 9 of them are fine.


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